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happyness
United States2400 Posts
On March 29 2011 14:02 iCCup.Nove wrote: This sounds like an amazing idea, make it similar to blink. Well unfortunately then emp is useless vs sentries. So it would hurt terran but help zerg.... Also it would take away the choice toss has to make between FF, guardian shield, and hallucination. So sentries would be able to get that shield up every battle(again bad for terran) | ||
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Treemonkeys
United States2082 Posts
I also really like the massive queen idea because it actually adds depth to the game so zerg has to do something about the FFs instead of just nerfing them, adding depth to the game. Also cool how it would make FFs much easier to deal with defensively but not offensively unless you have insane creep spread. One thing I would be worried about is how well queens can handle void rays, but it might work out okay. | ||
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
On March 30 2011 04:33 Treemonkeys wrote: I also really like the massive queen idea because it actually adds depth to the game so zerg has to do something about the FFs instead of just nerfing them, adding depth to the game. Also cool how it would make FFs much easier to deal with defensively but not offensively unless you have insane creep spread. One thing I would be worried about is how well queens can handle void rays, but it might work out okay. It really annoys me that people make these suggestions from Zerg's point of view without considering some of the implications. One implication here that annoys me is Phoenixes (Phoenicii?). Phoenix in PvZ are currently used mostly to pick up Queens and Drones. If Queens are massive, Phoenix will be used even less in favour of Void Rays, since then both Spore Crawlers and Queens would be immune to them, and only Drones would be able to be picked up. This would also reduce the value of Spore Crawlers, as why would anyone get Spore Crawlers when you can get moveable ones which can inject larva, spread creep, attack ground and so on? | ||
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Whathe
United States60 Posts
On March 30 2011 06:12 SeaSwift wrote: It really annoys me that people make these suggestions from Zerg's point of view without considering some of the implications. One implication here that annoys me is Phoenixes (Phoenicii?). Phoenix in PvZ are currently used mostly to pick up Queens and Drones. If Queens are massive, Phoenix will be used even less in favour of Void Rays, since then both Spore Crawlers and Queens would be immune to them, and only Drones would be able to be picked up. This would also reduce the value of Spore Crawlers, as why would anyone get Spore Crawlers when you can get moveable ones which can inject larva, spread creep, attack ground and so on? ----------- | ||
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Treemonkeys
United States2082 Posts
On March 30 2011 06:12 SeaSwift wrote: It really annoys me that people make these suggestions from Zerg's point of view without considering some of the implications. One implication here that annoys me is Phoenixes (Phoenicii?). Phoenix in PvZ are currently used mostly to pick up Queens and Drones. If Queens are massive, Phoenix will be used even less in favour of Void Rays, since then both Spore Crawlers and Queens would be immune to them, and only Drones would be able to be picked up. This would also reduce the value of Spore Crawlers, as why would anyone get Spore Crawlers when you can get moveable ones which can inject larva, spread creep, attack ground and so on? Sorry to annoy you but they are only thoughts, they don't really harm you. Wasn't even my idea. | ||
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Zexlion
United States12 Posts
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ShadowReaver
Canada563 Posts
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Owarida
United States333 Posts
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On April 13 2011 02:56 Owarida wrote: I wish they would make FF an upgrade from T3. Its easily the most overpowered and retarded spell in the game. It has no place in early game fights, or even mid game fights for that matter. So absurd all around. Ya for sure bro | ||
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Holy_AT
Austria978 Posts
So toss can defend early game and still can throw down good forcefields but it cant be abused like forcefielding half of the screen. | ||
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GagnarTheUnruly
United States655 Posts
On April 13 2011 02:56 Owarida wrote: I wish they would make FF an upgrade from T3. Its easily the most overpowered and retarded spell in the game. It has no place in early game fights, or even mid game fights for that matter. So absurd all around. So you're saying you want P to 4-gate every single game? Because the ability to FF is the only thing that protects P from early agression in PvT and PvZ. | ||
Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
Actually, mobile shield batteries would be an awesome unit. Imagine how much more use you'd see out of warp prisms if they regenerated shields of units in their pylon energy grid while deployed? | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
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Rob28
Canada705 Posts
I highly suggest the zergs on here QQing over FF try and play a few matches as protoss then come back with the "suggestions". | ||
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Senx
Sweden5901 Posts
Forcfields, marauder slows and fungal are 3 spells that for me makes SC2 a far inferior game - they bring nothing to the table - its negative gameplay -- it removes micro from your opponent and it leaves no excitement factor for the spectator. | ||
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ThaZenith
Canada3116 Posts
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susiederkins
United States87 Posts
On April 13 2011 03:30 Rob28 wrote: From a caster perspective, toss are already screwed. I mean, infestors are rediculously useful to the zerg, and I can't tell you how much grief ravens give me in TvP. There's infested terrans, fungal, auto-turrets, emp... all of which require no research cost. Yes, they aren't T1 available, but with the amulet gone, FF is really the only dangerous spell toss has. I highly suggest the zergs on here QQing over FF try and play a few matches as protoss then come back with the "suggestions". In what universe? I'm sorry you don't get to warp in 8 army-killing high templar with storm instantly available anymore, and have to actually wait a few seconds. You still have feedback which is amazing, and all the sentry spells which are amazing. Fungal growth is very good now, but collosi have the same range so it's hard to get it off without getting your big fat caster unit (seriously, why are the other casters so small while the infestor is so freakin big?) with 90 health slaughtered (ps, did I mention feedback? Wheres my spell to stop your caster?). Infested terran is only occasionally useful. Ravens are extremely powerful, I'm with you there, but to say toss is screwed solely on the basis that high templar don't have storm energy when they warp in anymore is disingenuous at best. Also, "no research cost" is misleading, and you know it. Sentries with FF are the only ones that really require "no research cost." The other spellcasters you need a specialized building for, and not something like the cyber core that you would absolutely have to get no matter what anyway. | ||
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susiederkins
United States87 Posts
On March 29 2011 12:56 jayt88 wrote: Sigh, if you're a zerg that can get your 385 minerals worth of lings stuck in FFs then you should just quit the game. A reason why FFs are so important is due to the ridiculous speed of the zerg army. Please post a replay of yourself surrounding that army of units with FFs and killing all of them with your 6 sentries. FFs do not last forever btw. Why does it have to be lings? He mentions roaches... I think we're all familiar with Idra v Cruncher recently? | ||
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oGm`REM
United States870 Posts
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theBOOCH
United States832 Posts
Some of the suggestions are ridiculous. Please, if you're going to make a suggestion. Explain IN-DEPTH what kind of effect that would have on the game. Not just that it would make a fight go one way of another, but how it affects timing and strategy and all that other good stuff. | ||
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