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On November 06 2004 14:31 LaptopLegacy wrote:
travis,
Would you agree that omniscience and free will are mutually exclusive for a temporal being like ourselves??
And what part of my explanation why god can't act if he's atemporal do you not understand?
First part: I agree that free will is exclusive for us.. but I don't even get what you mean when you ask if omniscience is.
Second part: because I don't understand why a "god" would be acting in the same terms as a human being. To move a rock I wouldn't imagine it bending down, grabbing it, taking 2 steps, and then setting it down again.
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On November 06 2004 15:17 Taguchi wrote:Show nested quote +and how the hell can you say awareness is an outside influence
when has your knowledge ever affected the outside world without you actually acting? others can act because u have that knowledge.. christians do all kinds of stuff because they think god watches them(has knowledge of their actions, but isnt really acting upon it now is he)
This once again revolves around free will. Just because I know about something does not mean I will act. It's just another jump, an assumption.
When things "sometimes" happen, you can't act like its a fact.
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ye circular arguments aren't dumb because while you probably aren't going to come to a valid conclusion, you will be the wiser still.
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They are dumb when they've gotten to what this one has become...
It is just repetition of arguments at this point =[
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yeah freak your point was to "boggle the mind" with some "pharr out shieet" so go have some waffles
travis. i was just replicating a logical argument. and rather than pick out one of the premeses or arguments, u made this.. really weird remark instead. are you saying that if something is responsible for evil, it is not evil? if you could press a button and stop all evil, but u dont, doesnt that make u evil?
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stimey, no, no it wasn't.
you 'brilliance' is far outshone by your lunacy, not to mention idiocy =[
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On November 06 2004 17:14 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2004 15:17 Taguchi wrote:and how the hell can you say awareness is an outside influence
when has your knowledge ever affected the outside world without you actually acting? others can act because u have that knowledge.. christians do all kinds of stuff because they think god watches them(has knowledge of their actions, but isnt really acting upon it now is he) This once again revolves around free will. Just because I know about something does not mean I will act. It's just another jump, an assumption. When things "sometimes" happen, you can't act like its a fact.
knowledge has the potential to influence a decision, and thus in our case disrupt free will
the argument ure making requires that knowledge cant possibly influence a decision, unless ure willing to accept that free will can exist in some cases but not in others, which i dont find particularly intriguing
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freak... that was a sweet post. i totally see your pont now. thats 2 useless posts uve made instead of actually explaining yourself. who are u to judge meh? i contribute and u post nonsense. so fuck you ??? maybe.
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Omniscience is conceptually impossible to begin with. There is simply far, far too much information and too many variables to be aware of. The calculations required would be infinite. The calculations could never be finished, because they have no finish.
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freak did you always post under that ID or did you change it? Not many people with almost 1300 posts who I've never seen before, I think.
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From the athiestic perspective I believe omnipotence is just an illusion. This illusion is called coincidence. I have argued with many religious people and consistently they use coincidence to prove their point claiming that it was a divine prediction.
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sorry one more thing, also this calls into question fate vs free will, and that could be debated forever
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On November 06 2004 17:33 STIMEY d okgm fish wrote:
freak... that was a sweet post. i totally see your pont now. thats 2 useless posts uve made instead of actually explaining yourself. who are u to judge meh? i contribute and u post nonsense. so fuck you ??? maybe.
watch it
seriously.
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On November 06 2004 17:40 lyrictenororbust wrote:
sorry one more thing, also this calls into question fate vs free will, and that could be debated forever
thats what this debate is about..
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On November 06 2004 17:35 Servolisk wrote:
Omniscience is conceptually impossible to begin with. There is simply far, far too much information and too many variables to be aware of. The calculations required would be infinite. The calculations could never be finished, because they have no finish.
if something has a definition it is not conceptually impossible.
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On November 06 2004 17:31 Taguchi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2004 17:14 travis wrote:On November 06 2004 15:17 Taguchi wrote:and how the hell can you say awareness is an outside influence
when has your knowledge ever affected the outside world without you actually acting? others can act because u have that knowledge.. christians do all kinds of stuff because they think god watches them(has knowledge of their actions, but isnt really acting upon it now is he) This once again revolves around free will. Just because I know about something does not mean I will act. It's just another jump, an assumption. When things "sometimes" happen, you can't act like its a fact. knowledge has the potential to influence a decision, and thus in our case disrupt free will the argument ure making requires that knowledge cant possibly influence a decision, unless ure willing to accept that free will can exist in some cases but not in others, which i dont find particularly intriguing
I get what he meant now and agree completely, sorry
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wtf travis. he can call me an idiot. but i cant be mad at him and say generic fuck you? so idiot is okay but fuck you isnt?
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edit: this post was pointless and even I don't understand what I said
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On November 06 2004 17:54 STIMEY d okgm fish wrote:
wtf travis. he can call me an idiot. but i cant be mad at him and say generic fuck you? so idiot is okay but fuck you isnt?
you started it, not him
many, many of your posts are extremely condescending when it's entirely unnecessary
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"As ridiculously 'typical' as this sounds, the best way to find your beliefs is to live a certain way..."
I'm not sure what this means, but I'm pretty sure I don't agree with it 
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