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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
November 06 2004 08:11 GMT
#301
On November 06 2004 14:31 LaptopLegacy wrote:
travis,

Would you agree that omniscience and free will are mutually exclusive for a temporal being like ourselves??

And what part of my explanation why god can't act if he's atemporal do you not understand?


First part: I agree that free will is exclusive for us.. but I don't even get what you mean when you ask if omniscience is.

Second part: because I don't understand why a "god" would be acting in the same terms as a human being. To move a rock I wouldn't imagine it bending down, grabbing it, taking 2 steps, and then setting it down again.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
November 06 2004 08:14 GMT
#302
On November 06 2004 15:17 Taguchi wrote:
Show nested quote +
and how the hell can you say awareness is an outside influence
when has your knowledge ever affected the outside world without you actually acting?


others can act because u have that knowledge.. christians do all kinds of stuff because they think god watches them(has knowledge of their actions, but isnt really acting upon it now is he)


This once again revolves around free will. Just because I know about something does not mean I will act. It's just another jump, an assumption.

When things "sometimes" happen, you can't act like its a fact.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
November 06 2004 08:16 GMT
#303
ye circular arguments aren't dumb because while you probably aren't going to come to a valid conclusion, you will be the wiser still.
FrEaK[S.sIR]
Profile Joined October 2002
2373 Posts
November 06 2004 08:18 GMT
#304
They are dumb when they've gotten to what this one has become...

It is just repetition of arguments at this point =[
STIMEY d okgm fish
Profile Joined August 2003
Canada6140 Posts
November 06 2004 08:24 GMT
#305
yeah freak your point was to "boggle the mind" with some "pharr out shieet" so go have some waffles

travis. i was just replicating a logical argument. and rather than pick out one of the premeses or arguments, u made this.. really weird remark instead. are you saying that if something is responsible for evil, it is not evil? if you could press a button and stop all evil, but u dont, doesnt that make u evil?
FrEaK[S.sIR]
Profile Joined October 2002
2373 Posts
November 06 2004 08:26 GMT
#306
stimey, no, no it wasn't.

you 'brilliance' is far outshone by your lunacy, not to mention idiocy =[
Taguchi
Profile Joined February 2003
Greece1575 Posts
November 06 2004 08:31 GMT
#307
On November 06 2004 17:14 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2004 15:17 Taguchi wrote:
and how the hell can you say awareness is an outside influence
when has your knowledge ever affected the outside world without you actually acting?


others can act because u have that knowledge.. christians do all kinds of stuff because they think god watches them(has knowledge of their actions, but isnt really acting upon it now is he)


This once again revolves around free will. Just because I know about something does not mean I will act. It's just another jump, an assumption.

When things "sometimes" happen, you can't act like its a fact.


knowledge has the potential to influence a decision, and thus in our case disrupt free will
the argument ure making requires that knowledge cant possibly influence a decision, unless ure willing to accept that free will can exist in some cases but not in others, which i dont find particularly intriguing
Great minds might think alike, but fastest hands rule the day~
STIMEY d okgm fish
Profile Joined August 2003
Canada6140 Posts
November 06 2004 08:33 GMT
#308
freak... that was a sweet post. i totally see your pont now. thats 2 useless posts uve made instead of actually explaining yourself. who are u to judge meh? i contribute and u post nonsense. so fuck you ??? maybe.
Servolisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
United States5241 Posts
November 06 2004 08:35 GMT
#309
Omniscience is conceptually impossible to begin with. There is simply far, far too much information and too many variables to be aware of. The calculations required would be infinite. The calculations could never be finished, because they have no finish.

wtf was that signature
Servolisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
United States5241 Posts
November 06 2004 08:39 GMT
#310
freak did you always post under that ID or did you change it? Not many people with almost 1300 posts who I've never seen before, I think.
wtf was that signature
lyrictenororbust
Profile Joined November 2004
21 Posts
November 06 2004 08:40 GMT
#311
From the athiestic perspective I believe omnipotence is just an illusion. This illusion is called coincidence. I have argued with many religious people and consistently they use coincidence to prove their point claiming that it was a divine prediction.
lyrictenororbust
Profile Joined November 2004
21 Posts
November 06 2004 08:40 GMT
#312
sorry one more thing, also this calls into question fate vs free will, and that could be debated forever
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
November 06 2004 08:48 GMT
#313
On November 06 2004 17:33 STIMEY d okgm fish wrote:
freak... that was a sweet post. i totally see your pont now. thats 2 useless posts uve made instead of actually explaining yourself. who are u to judge meh? i contribute and u post nonsense. so fuck you ??? maybe.


watch it

seriously.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
November 06 2004 08:50 GMT
#314
On November 06 2004 17:40 lyrictenororbust wrote:
sorry one more thing, also this calls into question fate vs free will, and that could be debated forever


thats what this debate is about..
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
November 06 2004 08:50 GMT
#315
On November 06 2004 17:35 Servolisk wrote:
Omniscience is conceptually impossible to begin with. There is simply far, far too much information and too many variables to be aware of. The calculations required would be infinite. The calculations could never be finished, because they have no finish.



if something has a definition it is not conceptually impossible.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
November 06 2004 08:53 GMT
#316
On November 06 2004 17:31 Taguchi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2004 17:14 travis wrote:
On November 06 2004 15:17 Taguchi wrote:
and how the hell can you say awareness is an outside influence
when has your knowledge ever affected the outside world without you actually acting?


others can act because u have that knowledge.. christians do all kinds of stuff because they think god watches them(has knowledge of their actions, but isnt really acting upon it now is he)


This once again revolves around free will. Just because I know about something does not mean I will act. It's just another jump, an assumption.

When things "sometimes" happen, you can't act like its a fact.


knowledge has the potential to influence a decision, and thus in our case disrupt free will
the argument ure making requires that knowledge cant possibly influence a decision, unless ure willing to accept that free will can exist in some cases but not in others, which i dont find particularly intriguing


I get what he meant now and agree completely, sorry
STIMEY d okgm fish
Profile Joined August 2003
Canada6140 Posts
November 06 2004 08:54 GMT
#317
wtf travis. he can call me an idiot. but i cant be mad at him and say generic fuck you? so idiot is okay but fuck you isnt?
Kaotu
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States986 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-11-06 09:14:27
November 06 2004 08:59 GMT
#318
edit: this post was pointless and even I don't understand what I said
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
November 06 2004 09:02 GMT
#319
On November 06 2004 17:54 STIMEY d okgm fish wrote:
wtf travis. he can call me an idiot. but i cant be mad at him and say generic fuck you? so idiot is okay but fuck you isnt?


you started it, not him

many, many of your posts are extremely condescending when it's entirely unnecessary
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
November 06 2004 09:03 GMT
#320
"As ridiculously 'typical' as this sounds, the best way to find your beliefs is to live a certain way..."

I'm not sure what this means, but I'm pretty sure I don't agree with it
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