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vrok
Sweden2541 Posts
On September 10 2010 23:52 eu.exodus wrote: When youre harrasing the whole point is to click on workers. Really? Then you need to tell your fellow terrans to stop dropping 8 marauders in our bases and sniping the nex/hatch/cc in 5 seconds flat. They should be attacking the workers! What a bunch of rofl-noobs! | ||
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Tommylew
Wales2717 Posts
On September 10 2010 22:45 nailertn wrote: 2. Are you truly claiming that sensor towers are a better tool for map awareness than creep / mobile floating farms? Or that you can't "counter" them? Here is a thought, kill them. They aren't exactly invisible and cost more than an initial 25 energy to reproduce. 4. Again you make it sound like SCVs come for free or that auto repair takes less APM than shield regen. Regardless of race if two equal sized armies clash but one of the players brings all his workes to the battle in addition guess who is going to win? This is not a terran specific thing. What IS though is the choice to repair instead of acting as cannon fodder but then of course you forgo the added DPS. I will admit that attack priority is a problem, but that is about it. . 2. So u think all Terrans make these towers AWAY from their base and have them standing on their own? dont be daft. They are normally intheir base in postiions that cant be swiped quickly simply ebcause of the large area of cover. I think if they had a smaller range they would be fine and im also shocked that they arent used a LOT more in 1v1 and 2v2, 4. The problem with the SCV's repairing is that it is hard when your in a battle to focus on the scv's that are infront where you cant visibily see and all units such as zealots etc simply ignore them tryign to hit the Thor. Which isnt right. | ||
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Zack1900
United States211 Posts
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whomybuddy
United States620 Posts
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hawk123
United States77 Posts
right now, zergs are domination in Korea and Asia in general. Look at how Sen is doing, CheckPrime, even our friendly neighborhood IdrA for that matter. Messing up with terran to balance some bronze level issues might cause some major balance blow at top-level play. You Fail at your entire post, but mainly on this point. You are mentioning some of the best zergs in the world who are beating terrans 2 or 3 times lower then their skill level. When you get someone on the equal skill level you can clearly see the imbalance issue. Example is that idra losing to morrow @ IEM is a joke. Morrow is a great player, but idra is clearly the better player. People who sit and cry about imba really gets on my nerves, but ignorant players who wont acknowledge its extremely more difficult at the moment to succeed as zerg then it as terran is even more retarded, which most of you are terran users. Imbalance becomes a issue when it takes 3-4x the skill to stop something then it does to execute or visa versa. Example of broodwar is, a terran timing push early game required alot of skill to stop it and to execute it properly, which made it extremely more balanced then the timing pushes zerg have to deal with in sc2. With that being said, i love sc2 and I never blame losses on imba,I just hate when the OP makes a great point on alot of things and then I read these post of the terran users just not even reading his points and neglecting issues because you are bias to your race, that is dumb and ignorant. | ||
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Camlito
Australia4040 Posts
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DoubleZee
Canada556 Posts
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pzea469
United States1520 Posts
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eu.exodus
South Africa1186 Posts
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ROOTslush
Canada170 Posts
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RefusedAmen
Canada77 Posts
One thing I think can really be used for the tech lab / reactor is cooldown when you decide to lift off and switch buildings. Maybe a 10 second delay for the building to detach from the tech lab and another 5 seconds for it to be attached to a new building. I am a terran player and I honestly believe the tech switch is too easy and responsive. | ||
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Cranberries
Wales567 Posts
At the moment a +2 Stalker loses to a +1 Marauder and a +1 Stalker trades equally to a 0/0 Marauder. This isn't how it should work. Attack upgrades should grant an upgrade, not grant equal footing with a unit that produces faster, is cheaper, and can slow and snipe buildings relatively fast. | ||
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kaisr
Canada715 Posts
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silencesc
United States464 Posts
On September 10 2010 10:03 MegaBUD wrote: Wow... seriously? First... you compare tech/reactor with zerg ability to just make one building and every hatchery can do the unit? Medivac cost 100/100... and are light units with low hp... compare that to toss warp in... Auto repair? meh... whatever. But i like you... your the only one that doesnt qq about marauder with stim. yeah, switch to toss and cry when some douchebag builds a thor behind his wall after like 4 minutes of play and moves out with three marines, a thor, and every scv. It's impossible to stop. The repair priority is the only one of these that I think is feasible, and should be implemented. | ||
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eu.exodus
South Africa1186 Posts
On September 10 2010 23:55 vrok wrote: Really? Then you need to tell your fellow terrans to stop dropping 8 marauders in our bases and sniping the nex/hatch/cc in 5 seconds flat. They should be attacking the workers! What a bunch of rofl-noobs! main word being harrasing. If you are harrasing. Workers stay low priority with every race, so the point is if you are harrasing and your opponent sends defense, your attack priority changes. So you would have to click on the workers. Read buddy. It was a discussion about auto repair in a fight. Not marauder harasment. I hope it makes sense to u now. | ||
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vrok
Sweden2541 Posts
On September 11 2010 00:29 eu.exodus wrote: main word being harrasing. If you are harrasing. Workers stay low priority with every race, so the point is if you are harrasing and your opponent sends defense, your attack priority changes. So you would have to click on the workers. Read buddy. It was a discussion about auto repair in a fight. Not marauder harasment. I hope it makes sense to u now. I understood you from the beginning. I just think it's a very narrow minded view that ignores the fact that repairing scvs are more dangerous than attacking scvs and should be treated as such, i.e same attack priority as attacking units. | ||
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BlindPhaydo
United States33 Posts
Also, removing swappable tech labs and reactors from the game would take away one of the unique and interesting aspects about Terran. It would be like saying we should take warp gates away from Toss because it's a unique ability that other races don't have. These are fundamental aspects of the design of both races, and the game would be less interesting without them. Blizzard is going about balance the right way, by tweaking the damage/cost/build times etc. Not overhauling the basic design of each race, which is totally unnecessary. In short, just be up front that your thread is complaining about BALANCE, like many other threads. Don't feel you have to hide that fact. I think balance threads get a bad name because most often people put no effort into them and just whine. This OP had a lot of effort put into it, so it doesn't deserve that same stigma, though it is definitely, contrary to the title, a balance thread. | ||
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LuciferSC
Canada535 Posts
[QUOTE]On September 10 2010 11:15 MindRush wrote: right now, zergs are domination in Korea and Asia in general. Look at how Sen is doing, CheckPrime, even our friendly neighborhood IdrA for that matter. Messing up with terran to balance some bronze level issues might cause some major balance blow at top-level play. You Fail at your entire post, but mainly on this point. You are mentioning some of the best zergs in the world who are beating terrans 2 or 3 times lower then their skill level. When you get someone on the equal skill level you can clearly see the imbalance issue. Example is that idra losing to morrow @ IEM is a joke. Morrow is a great player, but idra is clearly the better player. People who sit and cry about imba really gets on my nerves, but ignorant players who wont acknowledge its extremely more difficult at the moment to succeed as zerg then it as terran is even more retarded, which most of you are terran users. Imbalance becomes a issue when it takes 3-4x the skill to stop something then it does to execute or visa versa. Example of broodwar is, a terran timing push early game required alot of skill to stop it and to execute it properly, which made it extremely more balanced then the timing pushes zerg have to deal with in sc2. With that being said, i love sc2 and I never blame losses on imba,I just hate when the OP makes a great point on alot of things and then I read these post of the terran users just not even reading his points and neglecting issues because you are bias to your race, that is dumb and ignorant.[/QUOTE] Don't mean to start a flaming war, but just want to point out that you are not providing any supporting facts yourself. Zerg isn't necessarily more difficult to play than Terrans and neither is Idra necessarily a better player than Morrow. Look at it this way - if Terrans are clearly OP, u wouldn't see nothing but Terran on Pro-leagues. Look how Zerg and Protoss are doing on GSL. They're doing FINE. | ||
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kosai
20 Posts
On September 11 2010 00:16 Cranberries wrote: At the moment a +2 Stalker loses to a +1 Marauder and a +1 Stalker trades equally to a 0/0 Marauder. This isn't how it should work. Attack upgrades should grant an upgrade, not grant equal footing with a unit that produces faster, is cheaper, and can slow and snipe buildings relatively fast. i don't agree with this, marauders are meant to counter stalkers. thinking further your way, lets buff a roach, so it trades equally with marauder. lol. stalkers beat marines, and zealots beat marauders AND marines. add templars, which own marines. for terran the templar is replaced with ghost, and where 2 psi storms totally KILL marines, 2 EMPs dont kill any protoss unit. theres no such thing as tiers in this game. its not friggin supreme commander, where t2 always beats t1. higher tech only means that you pay more for a unit. 'tiers' in sc2 is just how much tech you need, not how much better the unit will be, REALIZE THAT ALREADY. also, terrans have medivacs, while tosses can warpgate units anywhere on the map. they even transfer new units imidietaly to enemy base via warpprisms/proxy pylons. zergs have lots of overlords and nydus worms. its pretty even if you think of drop capability, in my sense. and medivacs need to be able to heal, because zergs and toss have auto regen, terrans dont. about tech labs - yeah sure, it is possible to switch techs fast, but its not as good as you may think it is. you have lots of vary tech units, but you just dont have a lot of them. actually, i think zerg can tech switch way better, because hes got 1 unit producing structure. for example when u have 4 hatches, and u build roach warren, you can imidietaly build like 15 roaches, but when youre terran and you want to switch from bio to tech, you need additional factories. sensor towers, yeah theyre great, but zerg has overlords, which are 'free scouting units' and toss have invisible observers. while enemy knows where you have your sensor tower, he wont know where are the observers. and with overlords - you just have so many of them, that you dont care about losing one. i never used fast thor + scvs strat, so i wont say anything bout it, but what i read here, it looks kinda cheesy maybe? the only thing i would change with terrans, which i think isnt op, but its kinda... i dont know, it feels like it shouldnt be like that... its that you can save up energy for mules and spam at gold expo. make it time-based like zerg queens larva spawn. | ||
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Cranberries
Wales567 Posts
On September 11 2010 00:39 LuciferSC wrote: Don't mean to start a flaming war, but just want to point out that you are not providing any supporting facts yourself. Zerg isn't necessarily more difficult to play than Terrans and neither is Idra necessarily a better player than Morrow. Look at it this way - if Terrans are clearly OP, u wouldn't see nothing but Terran on Pro-leagues. Look how Zerg and Protoss are doing on GSL. They're doing FINE. 24 Races have currently qualified for the Ro32 in GSL. 12 Terran, 8 Protoss and 4 Zerg. The racial matchups thus far: TvZ: 2-2 ZvP: 3-3 PvT: 2-8 I really think the facts are against your arguments.  | ||
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