He reports moving away from his hometown to prevent anyone from recognising him, and then living as a woman under a new name. He was spotted by a modelling agency and offered work – apparently no one suspected. Internet rumours about his true gender eventually prompted him to “come out.”
Kayo claims he has had no plastic surgery – aside from natural prettiness, it seems much of “her” success is down to very skilful application of makeup:
I've seen her (or his, ahh fuuuu) pictures before and I have never suspected that she is in fact A TARP! I mean look at his (or her, whatever you prefer) pictures! It is very hard to differentiate which is which. @_@
Sankakucomplex always posts strange news. I'm not really surprised I mean I've seen Japanese TV shows where they give guys make overs to make them look like girls, and after the make overs if you didn't know any better you'd be fooled.
LOL imagine all the people who have posters of this person and then find out this.
Well "He's" still very cute BUT that new info totally ruins anything besides that lol. At least I can admire him for being who he feels he really is or something along those lines.
On September 02 2010 16:54 pinkranger15 wrote: no plastic surgery? so that means he still has his dick in there...somewhere?
This is a good point I imagine if he went under the knife pretty much everyone would just go back to to fapping away lol. But he already has breasts soo maybe he already had that taken care of?
Lol I love reading all the comments from the site. Like 30% are "Epic tarp!", another 30% seems to be "I'd still hit it" followed by another 40% of "Lol" or "Noooo please noooo!"
To be honest i could tell, i mean she has some weird features that are not very attractive. I would'nt have guessed she's a man but just not attractive.
hmmm after looking at the photos, it's pretty subtle that its a guy. I mean the lips aren't very feminine imo, and the nose is kind of structured like a man's. Also looking at the quad photo (2nd from top) the bottom right picture, the cheekbones give it away slightly. But yeah, I would've never guessed that he was a man all along. o_o
Gender is not defined by someone having a penis or vagina anymore, and a lot of the 4chan-ny goofiness and ignorance in this thread shows how little people understand what gender really is nowadays.
Reading the reactions on 2ch, apparently you could tell from the width of his shoulders, his joints and his waist lol. Would never have guessed personally ><;
Awesome thread. She's done amazingly well in keeping her secret this long. I bet she's had none (or very little) relationships seeing as this secret has been kept as well as it has.
To all the people who say its noticable that shes a man. you only say that because you already know shes indeed a man and are actively looking for 'masculine' features. Don't tell me you haven't seen regular girls who look more male than s/he.
I can't really see that well that she(he,this is getting annoying) is a man unless you really look for it idd, if you met him/her on the street would you go hey thats definently a man?hell no you probably wouldn't think so.
Japan, where last time you saw something come out of that country you thought you'd seen the weirdest thing they ever made. Next week they'll come up with something even weirder.
I guess if he was happy like that its ok. Since appearantly nobody noticed the difference.
There are just a couple of questionable pics, but if I didn't know that she was a he in the first place, there is no way I would have suspected that he was a she and I thought I would have been able to, she actually has a girly figure with his hips and girly legs. He is quite a freak of nature. Good Job! But, I would not 'hit' that.
That is too bad...(s)he is rather cute. Oh well, it was not like any of us ever had a chance with her anyway, so who really cares what kind of package she has? =)
I was surprised >.> Normally you can just tell when a boy/girl has a makeover but with this one I was so surprised. I still can't tell just looking at her.
It's actually not that uncommon in Japan. It's called 偽娘 and in fact, its a whole sub-culture - man dressing up like women with makeup. If you search google images for that phrase, you will get tons and tons of hits, many looks even prettier than the one mentioned here.
I think people might be a bit too spoiler by internet/model pictures. www.naked.people.de
I had another site in mind that showed everyday people naked, but I forget what it was. But if you ever see everyday people naked, I don't think you'll start guessing gender based on those shoulders.
Imagine you worked her hard and got her up to your room and then u find it SHE has a DICK! Insta-turn from luckiest man on earth to puking your guts out...
from some angles it makes sense but how the heck does he get away while wearing those skirts and tight shorts... "no plastic sugery" my ass!!! or his ass should i say lol
she must have done hrt though. i'd absolutely love to see a transformation video or a timeline. hope she keeps going strong in her career as a model, she's definitely gorgeous
cmon guys, let's be real...none of you would have the slightest inkling that it was a dude unless you already knew and were thoroughly perusing the photos.
being able to "tell it's a girl" doesn't make you any more manly or less feminine.
On September 02 2010 17:51 krndandaman wrote: i could tell that this guy was manly.
just look at the facial features and lack of hips...
wouldn't hit it even if he was actually a girl
ew
though his girl voice is impressive.
Plastic surgery or not, I'm sure he's taking hormones, which will give you tits and a female sounding voice after a while, as well as feminize body shape...he's not a "master of disguise"....
On September 02 2010 17:51 krndandaman wrote: i could tell that this guy was manly.
just look at the facial features and lack of hips...
wouldn't hit it even if he was actually a girl
ew
though his girl voice is impressive.
Plastic surgery or not, I'm sure he's taking hormones, which will give you tits and a female sounding voice after a while, as well as feminize body shape...he's not a "master of disguise"....
Misinformation.
Breast growth with hormones does occur, but is typically minimal (A to B cup, rarely bigger than that) and the only hormone that changes voice is testosterone. Her voice is what it is for either being castrated before puberty or months (if not years) of voice training.
Hips and softer skin are legitimate results of hormone replacement therapy.
Ohh that is so awkward... since I saw those cosplay photos used on youtube before for a certain weeks top hottest gaming cosplay. I wonder what they will think when they realize the she is well... a he.
On September 02 2010 21:00 Alexstrasas wrote: I dont know what you guys are talking about, the face definitely seems off, also no hips., would not hit that.
You guys just have asian fever.
Really? I'm asian so judging from your statement I wouldn't have been able to distinct her any way ?
Anyways Like some other posted replied. I'm gonna have to have doubts on every girl
Lol, looked into this a little and it turns out he/she is also a competitive street fighter player who plays in tournaments....I guess that should have been the tipoff...
With the makeup on its pretty hard to tell if he is a girl or not. But the full body pictures of him were a real suspicious giveaway that he wasn't quite a girl. Broad shoulders, skinny but broad, and no hips at all lol.
If he worked out, stacked up on some protein, this dude woulda been a ripped ass mofo.
this freaks me out like hell! I will think very hard every time i see an asian chick from now on :O
On September 02 2010 17:43 Aberu wrote: Gender is not defined by someone having a penis or vagina anymore, and a lot of the 4chan-ny goofiness and ignorance in this thread shows how little people understand what gender really is nowadays.
Are you crazy? Man is penis woman is vagina. No the world is not 4chan.
On September 02 2010 17:43 Aberu wrote: Gender is not defined by someone having a penis or vagina anymore, and a lot of the 4chan-ny goofiness and ignorance in this thread shows how little people understand what gender really is nowadays.
Are you crazy? Man is penis woman is vagina. No the world is not 4chan.
I believe he's talking about the different between sex (which you are referring to and biologically determined) and gender which is arguably self determined.
First time I looked, even when I knew, I was like wow (s)he's hot. But on second pass, her pose and body shape are a bit mannish. It's just that his face kind of draws attention away from the rest. I bet if he was caught without makeup it would be more obvious he's man. Would I hit it knowing there's a dick lurking down there somewhere? Hell no.
Wow troll. Careful when you date asians, I once went out with a guy that ended up being a girl, it's really difficult to tell the difference until you touch them...
Frost: Hey, I sure wouldn't mind getting some more of that Arcturian poontang! Remember that time? Spunkmeyer: Yeah, Frost, but the one that you had was a male! Frost: It doesn't matter when it's Arcturian, baby!
In addition to working as a fashion model and occasional cosplayer (seen above coplaying Bayonetta with the developers), 22-year-old Kayo is the assistant presenter on a Nico videogame show, and is also known as a talented Street Fighter IV player.
I couldnt have told it was a man from any angle even after reading the OP haha. I went specifically looking at the hip bone structure and my god that's a very thin girl model!
Uhhh, isn't it safe to assume that he had to work together with other models too? Maybe dress up in the same room? Wouldn't the other models know? Or find it suspicious that "she" dresses in a seperate room? Or was he always working alone?
I guess the japanese girls will be all over him now :p
Hah! I am feeling really smug atm, I called it... or at least semi-called it. Got the bayonetta pictures linked to me and went "That can't be her, that's a trap" So i was almost right, it was a man but it was also her. It was the picture with the open back, it just screams "Man" to me. I wouldn't even almost have doubted the rest of em.
On September 02 2010 22:46 spinesheath wrote: Uhhh, isn't it safe to assume that he had to work together with other models too? Maybe dress up in the same room? Wouldn't the other models know? Or find it suspicious that "she" dresses in a seperate room? Or was he always working alone?
I guess the japanese girls will be all over him now :p
That's what I was thinking! He must have damn good self-control to not be found out
On September 02 2010 17:51 krndandaman wrote: i could tell that this guy was manly.
just look at the facial features and lack of hips...
wouldn't hit it even if he was actually a girl
ew
though his girl voice is impressive.
Plastic surgery or not, I'm sure he's taking hormones, which will give you tits and a female sounding voice after a while, as well as feminize body shape...he's not a "master of disguise"....
lol @ hormones giving you a female sounding voice. L2Science - hormones does not change voice (unless you are going through puberty and a boy)
He reports moving away from his hometown to prevent anyone from recognising him, and then living as a woman under a new name. He was spotted by a modelling agency and offered work – apparently no one suspected. Internet rumours about his true gender eventually prompted him to “come out.”
Kayo claims he has had no plastic surgery – aside from natural prettiness, it seems much of “her” success is down to very skilful application of makeup:
I've seen her (or his, ahh fuuuu) pictures before and I have never suspected that she is in fact A TARP! I mean look at his (or her, whatever you prefer) pictures! It is very hard to differentiate which is which. @_@
ugh, this is disgusting. Pronouns are important, people.
On September 02 2010 22:46 spinesheath wrote: Uhhh, isn't it safe to assume that he had to work together with other models too? Maybe dress up in the same room? Wouldn't the other models know? Or find it suspicious that "she" dresses in a seperate room? Or was he always working alone?
I guess the japanese girls will be all over him now :p
That's what I was thinking! He must have damn good self-control to not be found out
It's really not that hard (especially if hormones/testosterone blockers are being used)
It's obviously not a girl, since he beat a guy at Street Fighter 4.
On September 02 2010 18:45 HaSDe wrote: Imagine you worked her hard and got her up to your room and then u find it SHE has a DICK! Insta-turn from luckiest man on earth to puking your guts out...
Something like this?
Anyway, I don't think he have necessarily used any chemicals. We all produce testosterone and estrogen, and the difference between the genders is that the production is skewed in either direction. And as you can probably guess, some guys have a naturally lower testosterone ratio. This would also be a reason for being curious about switching genders.
Mmh I think the voice is a bit of a giveaway. Sounds like one of these really tacky gay guys (the 'femme' type, if you will). The shoulders are also pretty... masculine. But yea...
I suppose if you were looking really carefully and you knew beforehand that he was a he, you could tell, but if you're just a random person, you're not looking for that, and you probably would have no idea. I feel bad for all the men who wanted him.
Uh ...it's actually hard to find out if she is ... or not Since her/his(?) japanese pronounciation sounds natural (female-ish) , there's no awkward tones.
Somtimes Japanese modeling agencies have abusive contracts. Not to mention , their contracts are ALWAYS a win-win situation for the companies.
Maybe she's/he's(?) just trying to frame herself up.
the article and a lot of posts in this thread are sickeningly insensitive. She is a person who happens to be good at SF4. Stop treating her like a defective piece of meat.
I'd have sex with him. He looks like a woman, and what you see is what you get, so fuck it. Also, from what I can tell, s/he's been taking estrongen, which causes your body to develop like a woman, so s/he pretty much has the body of a woman (look at the breasts). So in the end, I'd pretty much be having sex with a (technically) woman who used to have the body of a man.
Uhg I think TL really needs itself some gender studies. Without getting into it too extensively, lots of these responses (as well as those on other sites) show a lack of understanding of, well, everything to do with gender, sex, and human psychology and biology.
On September 03 2010 00:52 gogogadgetflow wrote: Uhg I think TL really needs itself some gender studies. Without getting into it too extensively, lots of these responses (as well as those on other sites) show a lack of understanding of, well, everything to do with gender, sex, and human psychology and biology.
I think that rather than just saying we need gender studies, you should consider actually explaining at least the basics of what you want us to know. I can explain the difference between gender and sex as I understand it, which I believe is correct. Put simply: Sex- Is physical. You sex is either male or female, depending on your set of chromosomes. XX is female, XY is male Gender- Is mental. Your gender is not based on your chromosomes or any physical attributes, and is entirely open for you to determine. It's arguable that for gender there are more options than just male and female, and that things like homosexual male and bisexual female and crossdressing male can be their own gender identities.
On September 03 2010 00:52 gogogadgetflow wrote: Uhg I think TL really needs itself some gender studies. Without getting into it too extensively, lots of these responses (as well as those on other sites) show a lack of understanding of, well, everything to do with gender, sex, and human psychology and biology.
I think that rather than just saying we need gender studies, you should consider actually explaining at least the basics of what you want us to know. I can explain the difference between gender and sex as I understand it, which I believe is correct. Put simply: Sex- Is physical. You sex is either male or female, depending on your set of chromosomes. XX is female, XY is male Gender- Is mental. Your gender is not based on your chromosomes or any physical attributes, and is entirely open for you to determine. It's arguable that for gender there are more options than just male and female, and that things like homosexual male and bisexual female and crossdressing male can be their own gender identities.
ok.
1) During fetal development, your brain is either imprinted with testosterone (male) or not (female) 2) Men and women have physically. observably different brains: different neuron levels in certain areas, different sizes of certain areas, differences in brain function (perception, etc) 3) This is a crucial window. After this point, no hormones, psychotherapy, torture, electroshock, etc will change this wiring. It is permanently set. A person could hit their head, have total amnesia, and the would still have their sense of gender preserved. 4)Now the terms: Transgendered: Umbrella term. Generally used to refer to people whose gender differs from their physical sex. Gender involves the brain and self. Sex is basically the status of the genitals at birth. Transsexual: A transgendered person who has done some surgery or hormones to change their body to match their gender. Some go from a male body to a female body; they are referred to as women, or if clarification is needed, trans women. Others go from female to male. They are male, or trans male. Crossdresser: Someone who dresses as the opposite sex (for political, sexual, or other reasons) Transvestite: Someone who crossdresses for sexual pleasure. There is virtually no overlap between transvestite and transsexual.
Now that that is out of the way. Since the gender is inherently wired into the brain, and can not be changed/altered (doctors have given up trying), and gender is central to a person's identity, the reasons for a person desiring to transition (change their physical bodies to match their gender) can be understood.
As long as the physical body does not match the gender identity, there will be an identity crisis ("I'm a woman, but my body is not, and no one treats me as such"). This is on a mostly subconscious level, and can not be changed with therapy, visualization, self-affirmation, etc. The identity crisis is not fun, but short of changing the body, there is absolutely no way to end it in the case of transsexuals. Symptoms of this identity crisis can include: eating disorders, insomnia, anxiety/panic attacks, severe depression.
Pronouns are very important. 'It' is dehumanizing. Calling a trans woman 'he' or a trans man 'she' is not just an attack, it's a violation of their identity. In general, if someone looks like a woman, say 'she'. If someone looks like a man, say 'he'. If you are unsure what pronoun to use, ask (in private if possible) which pronoun to use.
On September 03 2010 00:52 gogogadgetflow wrote: Uhg I think TL really needs itself some gender studies. Without getting into it too extensively, lots of these responses (as well as those on other sites) show a lack of understanding of, well, everything to do with gender, sex, and human psychology and biology.
I have to agree with you. Ignorant shit like most of the posts in this thread is the reason why Catreina has that bad attitude. People need to grow the fuck up and learn to understand and love people who are different than themselves.
On September 03 2010 01:47 Wr3k wrote: LOL I can see it. her stomach looks manly in the pic with the shorts.
Actually stomach fat is a testosterone driven thing; women tend to store fat in hips/thighs, men in the stomach. Without hormones, the only way to get a female-type stomach for most people is to be very, very thin.
On September 03 2010 01:47 Wr3k wrote: LOL I can see it. her stomach looks manly in the pic with the shorts.
Actually stomach fat is a testosterone driven thing; women tend to store fat in hips/thighs, men in the stomach. Without hormones, the only way to get a female-type stomach for most people is to be very, very thin.
The stomach is a digestive organ inside the body. It does not really store fat. Perhaps you meant belly instead of stomach?
If you saw her coming out segment, she asked everyone to view her as a woman rather than what she was born as. To be sensitive, you could at least humor the request if you aren't entirely sincere. Clearly it's not true for the purposes of procreation and some other biological (carnal) purposes, but that doesn't matter unless you're actually considering that (which many apparently are >_> ).
On September 03 2010 00:52 gogogadgetflow wrote: Uhg I think TL really needs itself some gender studies. Without getting into it too extensively, lots of these responses (as well as those on other sites) show a lack of understanding of, well, everything to do with gender, sex, and human psychology and biology.
I think that rather than just saying we need gender studies, you should consider actually explaining at least the basics of what you want us to know. I can explain the difference between gender and sex as I understand it, which I believe is correct. Put simply: Sex- Is physical. You sex is either male or female, depending on your set of chromosomes. XX is female, XY is male Gender- Is mental. Your gender is not based on your chromosomes or any physical attributes, and is entirely open for you to determine. It's arguable that for gender there are more options than just male and female, and that things like homosexual male and bisexual female and crossdressing male can be their own gender identities.
ok.
1) During fetal development, your brain is either imprinted with testosterone (male) or not (female) 2) Men and women have physically. observably different brains: different neuron levels in certain areas, different sizes of certain areas, differences in brain function (perception, etc) 3) This is a crucial window. After this point, no hormones, psychotherapy, torture, electroshock, etc will change this wiring. It is permanently set. A person could hit their head, have total amnesia, and the would still have their sense of gender preserved. 4)Now the terms: Transgendered: Umbrella term. Generally used to refer to people whose gender differs from their physical sex. Gender involves the brain and self. Sex is basically the status of the genitals at birth. Transsexual: A transgendered person who has done some surgery or hormones to change their body to match their gender. Some go from a male body to a female body; they are referred to as women, or if clarification is needed, trans women. Others go from female to male. They are male, or trans male. Crossdresser: Someone who dresses as the opposite sex (for political, sexual, or other reasons) Transvestite: Someone who crossdresses for sexual pleasure. There is virtually no overlap between transvestite and transsexual.
Now that that is out of the way. Since the gender is inherently wired into the brain, and can not be changed/altered (doctors have given up trying), and gender is central to a person's identity, the reasons for a person desiring to transition (change their physical bodies to match their gender) can be understood.
As long as the physical body does not match the gender identity, there will be an identity crisis ("I'm a woman, but my body is not, and no one treats me as such"). This is on a mostly subconscious level, and can not be changed with therapy, visualization, self-affirmation, etc. The identity crisis is not fun, but short of changing the body, there is absolutely no way to end it in the case of transsexuals. Symptoms of this identity crisis can include: eating disorders, insomnia, anxiety/panic attacks, severe depression.
Pronouns are very important. 'It' is dehumanizing. Calling a trans woman 'he' or a trans man 'she' is not just an attack, it's a violation of their identity. In general, if someone looks like a woman, say 'she'. If someone looks like a man, say 'he'. If you are unsure what pronoun to use, ask (in private if possible) which pronoun to use.
Ironically I think you're being very insensitive. Putting people in boxes with labels on them and making statements on what everyone in a certain box is like, or what they think or feel, that's bullshit. Everyone's different and we're a hell of a lot more complex than your neat theories.
On September 03 2010 00:52 gogogadgetflow wrote: Uhg I think TL really needs itself some gender studies. Without getting into it too extensively, lots of these responses (as well as those on other sites) show a lack of understanding of, well, everything to do with gender, sex, and human psychology and biology.
I have to agree with you. Ignorant shit like most of the posts in this thread is the reason why Catreina has that bad attitude. People need to grow the fuck up and learn to understand and love people who are different than themselves.
The perception of others defines your attractiveness. This individual could meet all the other criteria ever to be a woman, but having a cock is, well, somewhat of a dealbreaker >_>.
Your personality is defined by you. How confident you are, whether your an introvert/extrovert, beliefs, level of intelligence -- a lot of those are determined, on some level, by genetics, but they're intrinsic qualities of a person that the outside world has little effect on. How good-looking someone is, though, is a matter of other peoples' opinions.
On September 03 2010 00:52 gogogadgetflow wrote: Uhg I think TL really needs itself some gender studies. Without getting into it too extensively, lots of these responses (as well as those on other sites) show a lack of understanding of, well, everything to do with gender, sex, and human psychology and biology.
I think that rather than just saying we need gender studies, you should consider actually explaining at least the basics of what you want us to know. I can explain the difference between gender and sex as I understand it, which I believe is correct. Put simply: Sex- Is physical. You sex is either male or female, depending on your set of chromosomes. XX is female, XY is male Gender- Is mental. Your gender is not based on your chromosomes or any physical attributes, and is entirely open for you to determine. It's arguable that for gender there are more options than just male and female, and that things like homosexual male and bisexual female and crossdressing male can be their own gender identities.
I wasn't trying to come across as an expert in the subject, which I am not, so I refrained from sharing my general but limited understanding, which is similar to yours.
Edit: Thank you fusionsdf, that should clear up a lot of ignorance.
On September 03 2010 00:52 gogogadgetflow wrote: Uhg I think TL really needs itself some gender studies. Without getting into it too extensively, lots of these responses (as well as those on other sites) show a lack of understanding of, well, everything to do with gender, sex, and human psychology and biology.
I think that rather than just saying we need gender studies, you should consider actually explaining at least the basics of what you want us to know. I can explain the difference between gender and sex as I understand it, which I believe is correct. Put simply: Sex- Is physical. You sex is either male or female, depending on your set of chromosomes. XX is female, XY is male Gender- Is mental. Your gender is not based on your chromosomes or any physical attributes, and is entirely open for you to determine. It's arguable that for gender there are more options than just male and female, and that things like homosexual male and bisexual female and crossdressing male can be their own gender identities.
ok.
1) During fetal development, your brain is either imprinted with testosterone (male) or not (female) 2) Men and women have physically. observably different brains: different neuron levels in certain areas, different sizes of certain areas, differences in brain function (perception, etc) 3) This is a crucial window. After this point, no hormones, psychotherapy, torture, electroshock, etc will change this wiring. It is permanently set. A person could hit their head, have total amnesia, and the would still have their sense of gender preserved. 4)Now the terms: Transgendered: Umbrella term. Generally used to refer to people whose gender differs from their physical sex. Gender involves the brain and self. Sex is basically the status of the genitals at birth. Transsexual: A transgendered person who has done some surgery or hormones to change their body to match their gender. Some go from a male body to a female body; they are referred to as women, or if clarification is needed, trans women. Others go from female to male. They are male, or trans male. Crossdresser: Someone who dresses as the opposite sex (for political, sexual, or other reasons) Transvestite: Someone who crossdresses for sexual pleasure. There is virtually no overlap between transvestite and transsexual.
Now that that is out of the way. Since the gender is inherently wired into the brain, and can not be changed/altered (doctors have given up trying), and gender is central to a person's identity, the reasons for a person desiring to transition (change their physical bodies to match their gender) can be understood.
As long as the physical body does not match the gender identity, there will be an identity crisis ("I'm a woman, but my body is not, and no one treats me as such"). This is on a mostly subconscious level, and can not be changed with therapy, visualization, self-affirmation, etc. The identity crisis is not fun, but short of changing the body, there is absolutely no way to end it in the case of transsexuals. Symptoms of this identity crisis can include: eating disorders, insomnia, anxiety/panic attacks, severe depression.
Pronouns are very important. 'It' is dehumanizing. Calling a trans woman 'he' or a trans man 'she' is not just an attack, it's a violation of their identity. In general, if someone looks like a woman, say 'she'. If someone looks like a man, say 'he'. If you are unsure what pronoun to use, ask (in private if possible) which pronoun to use.
Ironically I think you're being very insensitive. Putting people in boxes with labels on them and making statements on what everyone in a certain box is like, or what they think or feel, that's bullshit. Everyone's different and we're a hell of a lot more complex than your neat theories.
fusionsdf is just giving a little background on terminology used by both trans and cis individuals.
She is fucking gorgeous. If she wants me to view her as a women after the news is out then I'll continue to just do what is natural. She is one of the more attractive asians that I've seen in fact. Simply gorgeous...
He certainly looks pretty feminine, until you realize they have no curves whatsoever. That pic in the shorts with his gut sticking out at least shouts hormone issues.
wouldnt stop me from wanting to get to know her more or get closer to her if i was in that situation. but maybe im just more open minded and accepting of people for who they are than what their genitals happen to be than most people it seems.
I Lol'd so damn hard. It specially at the video - seriously, such a high-pitch voice. daamn. Go Japanese. You will never stop to amaze me. + Show Spoiler +
Still, I can't tell that he's a man from the pics. either a good photoshop, or he's good at this.
IMHO she'll get more followers as there are some people that are extremely turned on by this sort of stuff. I don't think she'll lose any either as even if it disgusts you, she's still pretty smoking hot haha.
On September 03 2010 02:29 Scorcher2k wrote: She is fucking gorgeous. If she wants me to view her as a women after the news is out then I'll continue to just do what is natural. She is one of the more attractive asians that I've seen in fact. Simply gorgeous...
Im the same. Im no homo, but I can imagine myself actually falling in love with her, I mean, if I knew her and we had chemistry. Having a weekend with this treasure would be a fantastic experience, which I may or may not like. She could take me in the ass if she wanted, and does that make me homo? No way, as I am attracted by her feminime side. The sexual organ does not dictate everything, remember that the brain is the biggest sexual organ you ever have.
On September 03 2010 02:29 Scorcher2k wrote: She is fucking gorgeous. If she wants me to view her as a women after the news is out then I'll continue to just do what is natural. She is one of the more attractive asians that I've seen in fact. Simply gorgeous...
Im the same. Im no homo, but I can imagine myself actually falling in love with her, I mean, if I knew her and we had chemistry. Having a weekend with this treasure would be a fantastic experience, which I may or may not like. She could take me in the ass if she wanted, and does that make me homo? No way, as I am attracted by her feminime side. The sexual organ does not dictate everything, remember that the brain is the biggest sexual organ you ever have.
This is very honest of you if you're being real, props to you ^_^
About he vs she. You can question the stereotypes, but you can't question your gender in itself. It's obvious that some males feel more stereotypical female or vice versa, but gender doesn't define how you are supposed to act and dress, society does. "Switching gender" is like being black and wanting to be white. You can lay off the rap music and listen to metal, but it won't change anything. You can bleach your skin, but you will still be genetically black. People still called Michael Jackson black after his vitiligo, even though he had the appearance of a white guy. So why should this person, as attractive in a feminine kind of way he might be, be called a woman?
I actually respect ppl a lot who are trying to break the gender-stereotypes, but no matter how much you want it to be, 2+2 will never equal 5 (except in Radiohead's world). You can question the use of the current mathematical system, but you can't question 2+2 being 4. Similarly, if you have a Y-chromosome, you are a man, no matter how you look, act and feel, as defined by language and science.
i hate the idea that transgender people are being accepted as they are. It scares me every day that i might meet a girl who is a man whom i find attractive. .. reminds me of that family guy episode... srsly it's not right. Everyone has rights. but when it can hurt other people there is a serious problem.. Id connect sex with a transgender to the mental anguish of being raped by another man... srsly... It's not cool. It's deception... I don't believe in a witch hunt of any kind but this should be frowned upon and not encouraged.
Not the HOTTEST asian i've ever seen like some people are saying, ionno, the adams apple is sorta a giveaway, and the slightly broad shoulders. eh....whatever
Stomach in that picture with the short jeans is a dead giveaway that something suspicious is going on. The one with the leather outfit showing a bare back is also a little off, but not quite as much
On September 03 2010 02:29 Scorcher2k wrote: She is fucking gorgeous. If she wants me to view her as a women after the news is out then I'll continue to just do what is natural. She is one of the more attractive asians that I've seen in fact. Simply gorgeous...
Im the same. Im no homo, but I can imagine myself actually falling in love with her, I mean, if I knew her and we had chemistry. Having a weekend with this treasure would be a fantastic experience, which I may or may not like. She could take me in the ass if she wanted, and does that make me homo? No way, as I am attracted by her feminime side. The sexual organ does not dictate everything, remember that the brain is the biggest sexual organ you ever have.
On September 03 2010 04:24 ninini wrote: About he vs she. You can question the stereotypes, but you can't question your gender in itself. It's obvious that some males feel more stereotypical female or vice versa, but gender doesn't define how you are supposed to act and dress, society does. "Switching gender" is like being black and wanting to be white. You can lay off the rap music and listen to metal, but it won't change anything. You can bleach your skin, but you will still be genetically black. People still called Michael Jackson black after his vitiligo, even though he had the appearance of a white guy. So why should this person, as attractive in a feminine kind of way he might be, be called a woman?
I actually respect ppl a lot who are trying to break the gender-stereotypes, but no matter how much you want it to be, 2+2 will never equal 5 (except in Radiohead's world). You can question the use of the current mathematical system, but you can't question 2+2 being 4. Similarly, if you have a Y-chromosome, you are a man, no matter how you look, act and feel, as defined by language and science.
On September 03 2010 04:26 FindingPride wrote: i hate the idea that transgender people are being accepted as they are. It scares me every day that i might meet a girl who is a man whom i find attractive. .. reminds me of that family guy episode... srsly it's not right. Everyone has rights. but when it can hurt other people there is a serious problem.. Id connect sex with a transgender to the mental anguish of being raped by another man... srsly... It's not cool. It's deception... I don't believe in a witch hunt of any kind but this should be frowned upon and not encouraged.
WTF? Why does it matter if a woman you find attractive used to be a man? How is it in any way "deception" to be honest about who you are? What if someone told you that from now on, you have to live as and behave like a woman because you might offend the sensitivities of some bigoted asshole?
That should be illegal or stated beforehand. I remember this Chinese kid from highschool who loved Japan everything said he was looking at some naked hot Japanese girls and when he got to the bottom of the page it showed they were guys hahaha... so gross.
Here is the reaction that people had when they found out:
On September 03 2010 00:52 gogogadgetflow wrote: Uhg I think TL really needs itself some gender studies. Without getting into it too extensively, lots of these responses (as well as those on other sites) show a lack of understanding of, well, everything to do with gender, sex, and human psychology and biology.
I think that rather than just saying we need gender studies, you should consider actually explaining at least the basics of what you want us to know. I can explain the difference between gender and sex as I understand it, which I believe is correct. Put simply: Sex- Is physical. You sex is either male or female, depending on your set of chromosomes. XX is female, XY is male Gender- Is mental. Your gender is not based on your chromosomes or any physical attributes, and is entirely open for you to determine. It's arguable that for gender there are more options than just male and female, and that things like homosexual male and bisexual female and crossdressing male can be their own gender identities.
ok.
1) During fetal development, your brain is either imprinted with testosterone (male) or not (female) 2) Men and women have physically. observably different brains: different neuron levels in certain areas, different sizes of certain areas, differences in brain function (perception, etc) 3) This is a crucial window. After this point, no hormones, psychotherapy, torture, electroshock, etc will change this wiring. It is permanently set. A person could hit their head, have total amnesia, and the would still have their sense of gender preserved. 4)Now the terms: Transgendered: Umbrella term. Generally used to refer to people whose gender differs from their physical sex. Gender involves the brain and self. Sex is basically the status of the genitals at birth. Transsexual: A transgendered person who has done some surgery or hormones to change their body to match their gender. Some go from a male body to a female body; they are referred to as women, or if clarification is needed, trans women. Others go from female to male. They are male, or trans male. Crossdresser: Someone who dresses as the opposite sex (for political, sexual, or other reasons) Transvestite: Someone who crossdresses for sexual pleasure. There is virtually no overlap between transvestite and transsexual.
Now that that is out of the way. Since the gender is inherently wired into the brain, and can not be changed/altered (doctors have given up trying), and gender is central to a person's identity, the reasons for a person desiring to transition (change their physical bodies to match their gender) can be understood.
As long as the physical body does not match the gender identity, there will be an identity crisis ("I'm a woman, but my body is not, and no one treats me as such"). This is on a mostly subconscious level, and can not be changed with therapy, visualization, self-affirmation, etc. The identity crisis is not fun, but short of changing the body, there is absolutely no way to end it in the case of transsexuals. Symptoms of this identity crisis can include: eating disorders, insomnia, anxiety/panic attacks, severe depression.
Pronouns are very important. 'It' is dehumanizing. Calling a trans woman 'he' or a trans man 'she' is not just an attack, it's a violation of their identity. In general, if someone looks like a woman, say 'she'. If someone looks like a man, say 'he'. If you are unsure what pronoun to use, ask (in private if possible) which pronoun to use.
Thank you for clearing up gender, that's really good to know.
For pronouns, if you're unsure, you can also use "they" as a gender neutral pronoun until you find out what the person prefers. It's not grammatically correct, but it's better than offending someone, generally.
On September 03 2010 04:26 FindingPride wrote: i hate the idea that transgender people are being accepted as they are. It scares me every day that i might meet a girl who is a man whom i find attractive. .. reminds me of that family guy episode... srsly it's not right. Everyone has rights. but when it can hurt other people there is a serious problem.. Id connect sex with a transgender to the mental anguish of being raped by another man... srsly... It's not cool. It's deception... I don't believe in a witch hunt of any kind but this should be frowned upon and not encouraged.
WTF? Why does it matter if a woman you find attractive used to be a man? How is it in any way "deception" to be honest about who you are? What if someone told you that from now on, you have to live as and behave like a woman because you might offend the sensitivities of some bigoted asshole?
Well for starters hes a man. and never was a woman. Im not speaking about his case personally but It is very deceptive to dress like a woman as a man especially in these extreme cases. It has nothing to do with bigotry... and your comparison is trash. because its an example that could never come to fruition. It's not what society labels what is man and woman its what nature indited you with. I can't begin to understand why these people feel they are woman and I dont believe anyone could without being in there shoes however. It is deception. Much like a woman telling you they cant have children till after your married. Point is they will never be a woman. But if you want to sit here and act like a Man who dresses up with a woman would be a suitable mate for you? perhaps society has warped you. It's not about morals at all. I will NEVER in any way want to have relations with a transgender. and if it came through deception tbh I don't know what id do. but for starters I might suffer from shock.
These things need to be frowned upon and rightfully so. I support peoples right to do it 100%. go ahead. How ever it should come with obvious consequence much like cussing out a person for no reason. The only backlash or consequence comes from how others judge you as it should be. i'm not going to sit here and be some bandwagon liberal idiot saying oh ye your a woman now. I have a mind of my own. And if you want to sit here and call me a bigot for it what the fuck does that change? I stand up for what i believe in and being ignorantly labeled as a bigot to undermine what i say is such a douche tactic. There is very good grounds to frown upon these actions as i have stated.. So please. Label me but the verdict stands.
see all the people that masturbated on him, all the thoughts about penis pussy, ejaculation, and you KNOW WHAT? SHE'S A MAN!! HAHA GREAT FEELING ISN'T IT?
On September 03 2010 05:02 blitzkrieger wrote: That should be illegal or stated beforehand. I remember this Chinese kid from highschool who loved Japan everything said he was looking at some naked hot Japanese girls and when he got to the bottom of the page it showed they were guys hahaha... so gross.
Here is the reaction that people had when they found out:
On September 03 2010 04:26 FindingPride wrote: i hate the idea that transgender people are being accepted as they are. It scares me every day that i might meet a girl who is a man whom i find attractive. .. reminds me of that family guy episode... srsly it's not right. Everyone has rights. but when it can hurt other people there is a serious problem.. Id connect sex with a transgender to the mental anguish of being raped by another man... srsly... It's not cool. It's deception... I don't believe in a witch hunt of any kind but this should be frowned upon and not encouraged.
WTF? Why does it matter if a woman you find attractive used to be a man? How is it in any way "deception" to be honest about who you are? What if someone told you that from now on, you have to live as and behave like a woman because you might offend the sensitivities of some bigoted asshole?
Well for starters hes a man. and never was a woman. Im not speaking about his case personally but It is very deceptive to dress like a woman as a man especially in these extreme cases. It has nothing to do with bigotry... and your comparison is trash. because its an example that could never come to fruition. It's not what society labels what is man and woman its what nature indited you with. I can't begin to understand why these people feel they are woman and I dont believe anyone could without being in there shoes however. It is deception. Much like a woman telling you they cant have children till after your married. Point is they will never be a woman. But if you want to sit here and act like a Man who dresses up with a woman would be a suitable mate for you? perhaps society has warped you. It's not about morals at all. I will NEVER in any way want to have relations with a transgender. and if it came through deception tbh I don't know what id do. but for starters I might suffer from shock.
What do you recommend that somebody does, then, if they feel a need to crossdress? Simply never act on it? Ever? I don't even understand how you believe that this is deception if they tell people openly that they are male, but a crossdresser. There's no deception involved there, they simply dress how they choose to, and tell you that they're not the sex you would likely expect based on how they dress. And that's completely legitmate not to ever want to have relations with a trap or a transgendered person, just like I would likely never want to have relations with someone who looked and acted male. It doesn't mean that you should dislike them for it.
On September 03 2010 04:26 FindingPride wrote: i hate the idea that transgender people are being accepted as they are. It scares me every day that i might meet a girl who is a man whom i find attractive. .. reminds me of that family guy episode... srsly it's not right. Everyone has rights. but when it can hurt other people there is a serious problem.. Id connect sex with a transgender to the mental anguish of being raped by another man... srsly... It's not cool. It's deception... I don't believe in a witch hunt of any kind but this should be frowned upon and not encouraged.
WTF? Why does it matter if a woman you find attractive used to be a man? How is it in any way "deception" to be honest about who you are? What if someone told you that from now on, you have to live as and behave like a woman because you might offend the sensitivities of some bigoted asshole?
Well for starters hes a man. and never was a woman. Im not speaking about his case personally but It is very deceptive to dress like a woman as a man especially in these extreme cases. It has nothing to do with bigotry... and your comparison is trash. because its an example that could never come to fruition. It's not what society labels what is man and woman its what nature indited you with. I can't begin to understand why these people feel they are woman and I dont believe anyone could without being in there shoes however. It is deception. Much like a woman telling you they cant have children till after your married. Point is they will never be a woman. But if you want to sit here and act like a Man who dresses up with a woman would be a suitable mate for you? perhaps society has warped you. It's not about morals at all. I will NEVER in any way want to have relations with a transgender. and if it came through deception tbh I don't know what id do. but for starters I might suffer from shock.
What do you recommend that somebody does, then, if they feel a need to crossdress? Simply never act on it? Ever? I don't even understand how you believe that this is deception if they tell people openly that they are male, but a crossdresser. There's no deception involved there, they simply dress how they choose to, and tell you that they're not the sex you would likely expect based on how they dress. And that's completely legitmate not to ever want to have relations with a trap or a transgendered person, just like I would likely never want to have relations with someone who looked and acted male. It doesn't mean that you should dislike them for it.
I never said i disliked them. I dislike the idea that people do this. tbh if they tell people then i am very happy about that. however not everyone is so honorable and everyone has sexual urges. So please. Its not taboo that a man might have sex with a transvestite unwittingly.
In retrospect, the hips were the biggest giveaway. But yeah, s/he is definitely very pretty. Really impressive that he managed to keep up the act for so long; I can't even imagine pulling that off.
On September 03 2010 04:24 ninini wrote: About he vs she. You can question the stereotypes, but you can't question your gender in itself. It's obvious that some males feel more stereotypical female or vice versa, but gender doesn't define how you are supposed to act and dress, society does. "Switching gender" is like being black and wanting to be white. You can lay off the rap music and listen to metal, but it won't change anything. You can bleach your skin, but you will still be genetically black. People still called Michael Jackson black after his vitiligo, even though he had the appearance of a white guy. So why should this person, as attractive in a feminine kind of way he might be, be called a woman?
I actually respect ppl a lot who are trying to break the gender-stereotypes, but no matter how much you want it to be, 2+2 will never equal 5 (except in Radiohead's world). You can question the use of the current mathematical system, but you can't question 2+2 being 4. Similarly, if you have a Y-chromosome, you are a man, no matter how you look, act and feel, as defined by language and science.
You can change society.
Except his point is that if you have a dick you're a male.
I lol'd so hard, in some pictures you can tell but in others you really really can't.. Good thing i don't jerk off to Asian womenz unless it's Aya Kamiki or Ayumi Hamasaki.
On September 03 2010 04:26 FindingPride wrote: i hate the idea that transgender people are being accepted as they are. It scares me every day that i might meet a girl who is a man whom i find attractive. .. reminds me of that family guy episode... srsly it's not right. Everyone has rights. but when it can hurt other people there is a serious problem.. Id connect sex with a transgender to the mental anguish of being raped by another man... srsly... It's not cool. It's deception... I don't believe in a witch hunt of any kind but this should be frowned upon and not encouraged.
WTF? Why does it matter if a woman you find attractive used to be a man? How is it in any way "deception" to be honest about who you are? What if someone told you that from now on, you have to live as and behave like a woman because you might offend the sensitivities of some bigoted asshole?
Well for starters hes a man. and never was a woman. Im not speaking about his case personally but It is very deceptive to dress like a woman as a man especially in these extreme cases. It has nothing to do with bigotry... and your comparison is trash. because its an example that could never come to fruition. It's not what society labels what is man and woman its what nature indited you with. I can't begin to understand why these people feel they are woman and I dont believe anyone could without being in there shoes however. It is deception. Much like a woman telling you they cant have children till after your married. Point is they will never be a woman. But if you want to sit here and act like a Man who dresses up with a woman would be a suitable mate for you? perhaps society has warped you. It's not about morals at all. I will NEVER in any way want to have relations with a transgender. and if it came through deception tbh I don't know what id do. but for starters I might suffer from shock.
These things need to be frowned upon and rightfully so. I support peoples right to do it 100%. go ahead. How ever it should come with obvious consequence much like cussing out a person for no reason. The only backlash or consequence comes from how others judge you as it should be. i'm not going to sit here and be some bandwagon liberal idiot saying oh ye your a woman now. I have a mind of my own. And if you want to sit here and call me a bigot for it what the fuck does that change? I stand up for what i believe in and being ignorantly labeled as a bigot to undermine what i say is such a douche tactic. There is very good grounds to frown upon these actions as i have stated.. So please. Label me but the verdict stands.
It is your kind of biggoted bullshit that keeps america in the fucking dark ages. I suppose you believe that gays are ruining the world, that aids is 100% a gay disease, that homosexuals have anal sex and heterosexuals do not, that women are inherently "less skilled" at gaming than men, etc, don't you? Liberal or conservative does not matter, you are a biggoted prick. Claiming that I am ignorantly calling you a biggoted prick just goes to show exactly how ignorant and vile you really are.
You are born with a cleft palate - in your eyes you should go through life without ever having surgery to correct this. You are born with BOTH sets of genitalia - in your world, you would be stuck like this forever. You are born a chimera (look it up in terms of human genetics) - lets say one part is male and one is female - in your world, you are neither male nor female. You are born with Klinefelter's syndrome, or XYY, or hermaphroditism - what are you? In your world, you would be what, a freak of nature? Kleinfelters is as common as 1 in 1,000 boys...
You ARE a biggot. You ARE a jackass. You ARE the reason America is still struggling with racism.
Maybe it is YOU who needs to change, and not the rest of the world?
On September 03 2010 01:30 Jayme wrote: Japan has notoriously been stupidly good at transsexual gender reconstruction. Their facial features lend themselves to it.
There is a picture of 20 japanese women circulating the net...only 1 of which is actually a woman.
You really can't tell with some of the best ones, at all.
Not the one you're talking about, but still the same idea.
If she feels more comfortable being a female more power to her. She looks pretty good too. Some guys are really good looking as a female, what can I say.
On September 03 2010 04:26 FindingPride wrote: i hate the idea that transgender people are being accepted as they are. It scares me every day that i might meet a girl who is a man whom i find attractive. .. reminds me of that family guy episode... srsly it's not right. Everyone has rights. but when it can hurt other people there is a serious problem.. Id connect sex with a transgender to the mental anguish of being raped by another man... srsly... It's not cool. It's deception... I don't believe in a witch hunt of any kind but this should be frowned upon and not encouraged.
WTF? Why does it matter if a woman you find attractive used to be a man? How is it in any way "deception" to be honest about who you are? What if someone told you that from now on, you have to live as and behave like a woman because you might offend the sensitivities of some bigoted asshole?
Well for starters hes a man. and never was a woman. Im not speaking about his case personally but It is very deceptive to dress like a woman as a man especially in these extreme cases. It has nothing to do with bigotry... and your comparison is trash. because its an example that could never come to fruition. It's not what society labels what is man and woman its what nature indited you with. I can't begin to understand why these people feel they are woman and I dont believe anyone could without being in there shoes however. It is deception. Much like a woman telling you they cant have children till after your married. Point is they will never be a woman. But if you want to sit here and act like a Man who dresses up with a woman would be a suitable mate for you? perhaps society has warped you. It's not about morals at all. I will NEVER in any way want to have relations with a transgender. and if it came through deception tbh I don't know what id do. but for starters I might suffer from shock.
These things need to be frowned upon and rightfully so. I support peoples right to do it 100%. go ahead. How ever it should come with obvious consequence much like cussing out a person for no reason. The only backlash or consequence comes from how others judge you as it should be. i'm not going to sit here and be some bandwagon liberal idiot saying oh ye your a woman now. I have a mind of my own. And if you want to sit here and call me a bigot for it what the fuck does that change? I stand up for what i believe in and being ignorantly labeled as a bigot to undermine what i say is such a douche tactic. There is very good grounds to frown upon these actions as i have stated.. So please. Label me but the verdict stands.
wow, this is just really..... wow.
what happened to accepting people for who they are? what difference does it make if she was born a he?
if you were really that close to someone and really liked them then finding this out would totally change everything for you then it really sounds like you didnt really like them at all to begin with and were just using them. you arent being "ignorantly labeled a bigot" you flat out are one.
On September 03 2010 00:52 gogogadgetflow wrote: ok.
1) During fetal development, your brain is either imprinted with testosterone (male) or not (female) 2) Men and women have physically. observably different brains: different neuron levels in certain areas, different sizes of certain areas, differences in brain function (perception, etc) 3) This is a crucial window. After this point, no hormones, psychotherapy, torture, electroshock, etc will change this wiring. It is permanently set. A person could hit their head, have total amnesia, and the would still have their sense of gender preserved. 4)Now the terms: Transgendered: Umbrella term. Generally used to refer to people whose gender differs from their physical sex. Gender involves the brain and self. Sex is basically the status of the genitals at birth. Transsexual: A transgendered person who has done some surgery or hormones to change their body to match their gender. Some go from a male body to a female body; they are referred to as women, or if clarification is needed, trans women. Others go from female to male. They are male, or trans male. Crossdresser: Someone who dresses as the opposite sex (for political, sexual, or other reasons) Transvestite: Someone who crossdresses for sexual pleasure. There is virtually no overlap between transvestite and transsexual.
Now that that is out of the way. Since the gender is inherently wired into the brain, and can not be changed/altered (doctors have given up trying), and gender is central to a person's identity, the reasons for a person desiring to transition (change their physical bodies to match their gender) can be understood.
As long as the physical body does not match the gender identity, there will be an identity crisis ("I'm a woman, but my body is not, and no one treats me as such"). This is on a mostly subconscious level, and can not be changed with therapy, visualization, self-affirmation, etc. The identity crisis is not fun, but short of changing the body, there is absolutely no way to end it in the case of transsexuals. Symptoms of this identity crisis can include: eating disorders, insomnia, anxiety/panic attacks, severe depression.
Pronouns are very important. 'It' is dehumanizing. Calling a trans woman 'he' or a trans man 'she' is not just an attack, it's a violation of their identity. In general, if someone looks like a woman, say 'she'. If someone looks like a man, say 'he'. If you are unsure what pronoun to use, ask (in private if possible) which pronoun to use.
Ironically I think you're being very insensitive. Putting people in boxes with labels on them and making statements on what everyone in a certain box is like, or what they think or feel, that's bullshit. Everyone's different and we're a hell of a lot more complex than your neat theories.
Actually this is the MEDICAL definition of these issues, and the pronoun statements that were made are 100% spot-on.
You know why I was loathe to "come out" to TL and anyone else on my stream? BECAUSE IT DOESNT FUCKING MATTER. What YOU think and how YOU feel has no bearing on me in my life. Unless you decide that you want to fucking kill me (and believe me, that is a VERY REAL FEAR), then I dont give a rats ass about how you think it should be "illegal" or how it is "deceptive" (not you directly, you as a global). I was afraid of the kind of shit that is being said in this very thread - the intolerance and total ignorance of people thinking this is a choice or a lifestyle.
Pop quiz: Do you know the suicide rate for trans people? It is quite high, higher than ANY OTHER GROUP. (Take a fucking look at what we have to "look forward to" being trans: http://www.hemingways.org/GIDinfo/morbid.htm)
Do you know the murder rate for trans people? IT IS 17 TIMES THE NATIONAL AVERAGE IN THE US.
Do you know how many hate crimes against trans people go unpunished/very lenient? There are at LEAST 3 movies out based on the tragic real-life events for trans people who were murdered simply because they did not conform to the "norms" of society.
I have this bad attitude because I am afraid, for me, my wife, my kids, my brother, sister, aunts, uncles. I am afraid because of the intolerance and ignorance of people who think that somehow my choices affect them in any way. I am afraid because of people like those who have posted in this thread - people like Raelcunt who think that it is their "responsibility" to "out" someone for being different.
PRO TIP - WE ARE ALL FUCKING HUMAN BEINGS, LEARN TO LIVE THAT FACT.
Wow. It's possible that living your life day in, day out knowing that everyone you meet thinks you are someone that you aren't (in some ways) won't be stressful as hell, but I doubt it. I would imagine that this would have been a difficult time for him.
On September 03 2010 01:30 Jayme wrote: Japan has notoriously been stupidly good at transsexual gender reconstruction. Their facial features lend themselves to it.
There is a picture of 20 japanese women circulating the net...only 1 of which is actually a woman.
You really can't tell with some of the best ones, at all.
Not the one you're talking about, but still the same idea.
If she feels more comfortable being a female more power to her. She looks pretty good too. Some guys are really good looking as a female, what can I say.
On September 03 2010 07:15 pmLai wrote: Waitwut? Is this the reason why all japanese porn is censored? To hide the weiner?
Well it's weird that way, they have some of the most fucked up pornos there (think eels) but they have to mosaic the private parts of their performers. It's the law.
Suddenly all Japanese women are a little less attractive.
EDIT: Is what one could say, but I don't agree with it. I'm just happy that I've got the perfect guy to turn to once I want to experience a prostate orgasm.
I saw this on srk. I know a lot of people that say getting your dick sucked by a guy isn't gay. The dicksucker is. If that's you, I suppose getting it sucked by a pretty guy is better.
If she feels more comfortable being a female more power to her. She looks pretty good too. Some guys are really good looking as a female, what can I say.
It's the eyes and the jawline. Most look weird, like uncanny valley effect. 1, 2, and 3 look more normal, with #2 being the most proportional and normal.
On September 03 2010 05:00 stroggos wrote: so i followed the link to op's website and couldn't help but find some other seriously disturbing headlines...
I'm surprised no one else mentioned this. If you look at the headlines on the right side, there's some pretty disturbing stuff.
On September 03 2010 07:15 hahha wrote: you can tell shes a man because her pointing finger is shorter then her ring finger its opposite for women
So my wife (who gave BIRTH to three children) is a man because her pointy finger is shorter than her ring finger? Really?
L2Science you fucktard. I am really sick of the ignorance and idiocy when something like this comes up.
You seriously need to calm the hell down dude. While I agree with the majority of what you say, the way you say it makes me so badly want to disagree in any way possible. For instance, your long (and mostly irrelevant) response to FindingPride's couple paragraphs had me literally shaking my head at the screen. Where the fuck did you come up with all of the anti-gay assumptions? NOWHERE did he express a homophobic sentiment. I just want to point out to you that the type of zeal you portray mirrors the exact type of zeal you are so desperately fighting against.
On September 03 2010 09:25 Romance_us wrote: You seriously need to calm the hell down dude. While I agree with the majority of what you say, the way you say it makes me so badly want to disagree in any way possible. For instance, your long (and mostly irrelevant) response to FindingPride's couple paragraphs had me literally shaking my head at the screen. Where the fuck did you come up with all of the anti-gay assumptions? NOWHERE did he express a homophobic sentiment. I just want to point out to you that the type of zeal you portray mirrors the exact type of zeal you are so desperately fighting against.
EDIT: Just as a quick edit - the zeal I am portraying does not mirror the zeal I am fighting against. My zeal is for equality, as humans. The zeal I am fighting against is bigotry, ignorance, hatred, and insensitivity.
Mostly irrelevant? He is bashing people for being different than him. He is doing so in inglorious and horrific fashion, and you are trying to defend his bullshit? Not only that, but you are trying to defend it by bashing me for being zealous about pointing his biggotry and hatred out? BECAUSE OF THE WAY I AM DOING SO??
Read his fucking statement again, and then re-read my reply. I have absolutely no "anti-gay assumptions" - I have statements that indeed are assumptions based on his own statements that are similar to what he is saying in my initial reply.
Let me change some wording so you can see the ignorance a little more clearly:
On September 03 2010 04:26 FindingPride wrote: i hate the idea that transgender people are being accepted as they are. It scares me every day that i might meet a girl who is a man whom i find attractive. .. reminds me of that family guy episode... srsly it's not right. Everyone has rights. but when it can hurt other people there is a serious problem.. Id connect sex with a transgender to the mental anguish of being raped by another man... srsly... It's not cool. It's deception... I don't believe in a witch hunt of any kind but this should be frowned upon and not encouraged.
Let me take that quote and make some VERY MINOR changes for you, to enlighten your obviously blind eyes:
On September 03 2010 04:26 FindingPride wrote: i hate the idea that black people are being accepted as they are. It scares me every day that i might meet a girl who is black whom i find attractive. .. reminds me of that family guy episode... srsly it's not right. Everyone has rights. but when it can hurt other people there is a serious problem.. Id connect sex with a black to the mental anguish of being raped by another man... srsly... It's not cool. It's deception... I don't believe in a witch hunt of any kind but this should be frowned upon and not encouraged.
Heres another....
On September 03 2010 04:26 FindingPride wrote: i hate the idea that jewish people are being accepted as they are. It scares me every day that i might meet a girl who is jewish whom i find attractive. .. reminds me of that family guy episode... srsly it's not right. Everyone has rights. but when it can hurt other people there is a serious problem.. Id connect sex with a jewish person to the mental anguish of being raped by another man... srsly... It's not cool. It's deception... I don't believe in a witch hunt of any kind but this should be frowned upon and not encouraged.
Of course, you will say there are no similarities and I am making shit up - and that is why I am so zealous about this shit, because people are fucking ignorant, even when the same kind of shit has been said multiple times in history. We as a race think we are doing well - right, racism, biggotry, hatred, et al are still everywhere. I am not even remotely close to as zealous as some are, but I have a FUCKING REASON FOR IT. I was called out IN THE MIDDLE OF A FUCKING TOURNAMENT for using software that I dont, SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE OF THE SAME SHIT FindingPride stated.
I will continue to be extreme in my outcry against this kind of bullshit. I feel like I have to now.
On September 03 2010 07:15 hahha wrote: you can tell shes a man because her pointing finger is shorter then her ring finger its opposite for women
Not true. My ring finger is longer than my index finger on both hands.
On September 03 2010 04:24 ninini wrote: About he vs she. You can question the stereotypes, but you can't question your gender in itself. It's obvious that some males feel more stereotypical female or vice versa, but gender doesn't define how you are supposed to act and dress, society does. "Switching gender" is like being black and wanting to be white. You can lay off the rap music and listen to metal, but it won't change anything. You can bleach your skin, but you will still be genetically black. People still called Michael Jackson black after his vitiligo, even though he had the appearance of a white guy. So why should this person, as attractive in a feminine kind of way he might be, be called a woman?
I actually respect ppl a lot who are trying to break the gender-stereotypes, but no matter how much you want it to be, 2+2 will never equal 5 (except in Radiohead's world). You can question the use of the current mathematical system, but you can't question 2+2 being 4. Similarly, if you have a Y-chromosome, you are a man, no matter how you look, act and feel, as defined by language and science.
That is true, but why should we force it? What benefit comes from taking someone who emotionally, practically, and for all intensive purposes feels like a woman and force them to live their life as a man? What comes of that besides mental anguish, depression, and feelings of oppression?
If this model wants to be a woman (a beautiful one at that) I'll call her a woman. Deep down I know what she is and she does too, but being a man isn't working for her. I'm not going to be the asshole that forces her to live in a painful reality when her fantasy does nothing to hurt her or those around her.
On September 03 2010 04:26 FindingPride wrote: i hate the idea that transgender people are being accepted as they are. It scares me every day that i might meet a girl who is a man whom i find attractive. .. reminds me of that family guy episode... srsly it's not right. Everyone has rights. but when it can hurt other people there is a serious problem.. Id connect sex with a transgender to the mental anguish of being raped by another man... srsly... It's not cool. It's deception... I don't believe in a witch hunt of any kind but this should be frowned upon and not encouraged.
How stupid. If you had a loving relationship with a woman for 20 years only to find out she was a man at birth but had a sex change at a very young age you would really feel raped and disgusted? Nothing about the times you had together, her feminine charm, or the things that made you love her as a woman would count then? I can't relate to your way of thinking at all.
Perhaps it would rob him of the deception of masculinity as he no longer conquered a woman, but another man. His masculinity is raped due to his insecurities and weakness of self-affirmation and he cries, "you who threaten my manhood - obscene!"
I'd bet you're in the minority then. If nothing else I'd feel betrayed about being lied too, but I'm sure the gross factor would definitely be there as well.
Sometimes shit happens, and I can accept that a woman's consciousness sometimes ends up in a man's body. That doesn't make it right though, or allow you to force a deception on someone else.
On September 03 2010 04:24 ninini wrote: About he vs she. You can question the stereotypes, but you can't question your gender in itself. It's obvious that some males feel more stereotypical female or vice versa, but gender doesn't define how you are supposed to act and dress, society does. "Switching gender" is like being black and wanting to be white. You can lay off the rap music and listen to metal, but it won't change anything. You can bleach your skin, but you will still be genetically black. People still called Michael Jackson black after his vitiligo, even though he had the appearance of a white guy. So why should this person, as attractive in a feminine kind of way he might be, be called a woman?
I actually respect ppl a lot who are trying to break the gender-stereotypes, but no matter how much you want it to be, 2+2 will never equal 5 (except in Radiohead's world). You can question the use of the current mathematical system, but you can't question 2+2 being 4. Similarly, if you have a Y-chromosome, you are a man, no matter how you look, act and feel, as defined by language and science.
That is true, but why should we force it? What benefit comes from taking someone who emotionally, practically, and for all intensive purposes feels like a woman and force them to live their life as a man? What comes of that besides mental anguish, depression, and feelings of oppression?
If this model wants to be a woman (a beautiful one at that) I'll call her a woman. Deep down I know what she is and she does too, but being a man isn't working for her. I'm not going to be the asshole that forces her to live in a painful reality when her fantasy does nothing to hurt her or those around her.
On September 03 2010 04:26 FindingPride wrote: i hate the idea that transgender people are being accepted as they are. It scares me every day that i might meet a girl who is a man whom i find attractive. .. reminds me of that family guy episode... srsly it's not right. Everyone has rights. but when it can hurt other people there is a serious problem.. Id connect sex with a transgender to the mental anguish of being raped by another man... srsly... It's not cool. It's deception... I don't believe in a witch hunt of any kind but this should be frowned upon and not encouraged.
How stupid. If you had a loving relationship with a woman for 20 years only to find out she was a man at birth but had a sex change at a very young age you would really feel raped and disgusted? Nothing about the times you had together, her feminine charm, or the things that made you love her as a woman would count then? I can't relate to your way of thinking at all.
I'm pretty sure any normal person is like that. Are you really going to spend 20 years with a man who claims to be a women, fuck him, and then think positive?
On September 03 2010 09:25 Romance_us wrote: You seriously need to calm the hell down dude. While I agree with the majority of what you say, the way you say it makes me so badly want to disagree in any way possible. For instance, your long (and mostly irrelevant) response to FindingPride's couple paragraphs had me literally shaking my head at the screen. Where the fuck did you come up with all of the anti-gay assumptions? NOWHERE did he express a homophobic sentiment. I just want to point out to you that the type of zeal you portray mirrors the exact type of zeal you are so desperately fighting against.
Mostly irrelevant? He is bashing people for being different than him. He is doing so in inglorious and horrific fashion, and you are trying to defend his bullshit? Not only that, but you are trying to defend it by bashing me for being zealous about pointing his biggotry and hatred out? BECAUSE OF THE WAY I AM DOING SO??
Read his fucking statement again, and then re-read my reply. I have absolutely no "anti-gay assumptions" - I have statements that indeed are assumptions based on his own statements that are similar to what he is saying in my initial reply.
Let me change some wording so you can see the ignorance a little more clearly:
On September 03 2010 04:26 FindingPride wrote: i hate the idea that transgender people are being accepted as they are. It scares me every day that i might meet a girl who is a man whom i find attractive. .. reminds me of that family guy episode... srsly it's not right. Everyone has rights. but when it can hurt other people there is a serious problem.. Id connect sex with a transgender to the mental anguish of being raped by another man... srsly... It's not cool. It's deception... I don't believe in a witch hunt of any kind but this should be frowned upon and not encouraged.
Let me take that quote and make some VERY MINOR changes for you, to enlighten your obviously blind eyes:
On September 03 2010 04:26 FindingPride wrote: i hate the idea that black people are being accepted as they are. It scares me every day that i might meet a girl who is black whom i find attractive. .. reminds me of that family guy episode... srsly it's not right. Everyone has rights. but when it can hurt other people there is a serious problem.. Id connect sex with a black to the mental anguish of being raped by another man... srsly... It's not cool. It's deception... I don't believe in a witch hunt of any kind but this should be frowned upon and not encouraged.
On September 03 2010 04:26 FindingPride wrote: i hate the idea that jewish people are being accepted as they are. It scares me every day that i might meet a girl who is jewish whom i find attractive. .. reminds me of that family guy episode... srsly it's not right. Everyone has rights. but when it can hurt other people there is a serious problem.. Id connect sex with a jewish person to the mental anguish of being raped by another man... srsly... It's not cool. It's deception... I don't believe in a witch hunt of any kind but this should be frowned upon and not encouraged.
Of course, you will say there are no similarities and I am making shit up - and that is why I am so zealous about this shit, because people are fucking ignorant, even when the same kind of shit has been said multiple times in history. We as a race think we are doing well - right, racism, biggotry, hatred, et al are still everywhere. I am not even remotely close to as zealous as some are, but I have a FUCKING REASON FOR IT. I was called out IN THE MIDDLE OF A FUCKING TOURNAMENT for using software that I dont, SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE OF THE SAME SHIT FindingPride stated.
I will continue to be extreme in my outcry against this kind of bullshit. I feel like I have to now.
Oh man, the ZEAL! It's burns... (not really).
The thing about getting as angry as you do is, you miss things or interpret them to justify your anger. Like...
"It is your kind of biggoted bullshit that keeps america in the fucking dark ages. I suppose you believe that gays are ruining the world, that aids is 100% a gay disease, that homosexuals have anal sex and heterosexuals do not, that women are inherently "less skilled" at gaming than men, etc, don't you?"
Yeah dude, these are most certainly homophobic assumptions. Or based on the women statement, something even worse. Bigotry assumptions (which is the entire essence behind your responses, mind you). You chose to view his statements in a light that best reflected your personal opinion in order to express said personal opinion zealously. He was mainly saying that he would not want to be deceived in such a situation where UNDER FALSE PRETENSES (made very clear) he found out a certain human being he was in a relationship with extensively was indeed the opposite sex inherently. Something which a lot of people would agree with. Just like how if somebody lies about their age or past in a relationship. Same exact issues arise.
I am not defending him. This is another one of your assumptions. I am using the conversation as a prime example of your bad and pretty ineffective methods of expressing your viewpoint..
Take a look at what you just did for instance. You had me shaking my head again. You took a paragraph, skewed it arguably out of context, and then continued to skew it again and again until having something to back up your point. Trust me man, if you had a point in the first place, you wouldn't have needed to completely alter what he wrote for me to understand it.
edit: I just want to add this. I DO NOT disagree with your points. I just feel as though your method of approaching it is NOT tactful! That is seriously all. This does not need to turn into an argument. You will find that once you view the issue from both sides with a level head that your effectiveness to express your opinion will greatly increase.
On September 03 2010 07:15 hahha wrote: you can tell shes a man because her pointing finger is shorter then her ring finger its opposite for women
Not true. My ring finger is longer than my index finger on both hands.
On September 03 2010 04:24 ninini wrote: About he vs she. You can question the stereotypes, but you can't question your gender in itself. It's obvious that some males feel more stereotypical female or vice versa, but gender doesn't define how you are supposed to act and dress, society does. "Switching gender" is like being black and wanting to be white. You can lay off the rap music and listen to metal, but it won't change anything. You can bleach your skin, but you will still be genetically black. People still called Michael Jackson black after his vitiligo, even though he had the appearance of a white guy. So why should this person, as attractive in a feminine kind of way he might be, be called a woman?
I actually respect ppl a lot who are trying to break the gender-stereotypes, but no matter how much you want it to be, 2+2 will never equal 5 (except in Radiohead's world). You can question the use of the current mathematical system, but you can't question 2+2 being 4. Similarly, if you have a Y-chromosome, you are a man, no matter how you look, act and feel, as defined by language and science.
That is true, but why should we force it? What benefit comes from taking someone who emotionally, practically, and for all intensive purposes feels like a woman and force them to live their life as a man? What comes of that besides mental anguish, depression, and feelings of oppression?
If this model wants to be a woman (a beautiful one at that) I'll call her a woman. Deep down I know what she is and she does too, but being a man isn't working for her. I'm not going to be the asshole that forces her to live in a painful reality when her fantasy does nothing to hurt her or those around her.
On September 03 2010 04:26 FindingPride wrote: i hate the idea that transgender people are being accepted as they are. It scares me every day that i might meet a girl who is a man whom i find attractive. .. reminds me of that family guy episode... srsly it's not right. Everyone has rights. but when it can hurt other people there is a serious problem.. Id connect sex with a transgender to the mental anguish of being raped by another man... srsly... It's not cool. It's deception... I don't believe in a witch hunt of any kind but this should be frowned upon and not encouraged.
How stupid. If you had a loving relationship with a woman for 20 years only to find out she was a man at birth but had a sex change at a very young age you would really feel raped and disgusted? Nothing about the times you had together, her feminine charm, or the things that made you love her as a woman would count then? I can't relate to your way of thinking at all.
I'm pretty sure any normal person is like that. Are you really going to spend 20 years with a man who claims to be a women, fuck him, and then think positive?
Yes, I wouldn't care in even the most minute sense. I would date a transgendered woman without hesitation. To me, they are a woman. It isn't the chromosomes of a woman that turn me on, it's the physical features and mental qualities. A woman like Kayo has all of that, which is all I need.
I'd bet you're in the minority then. If nothing else I'd feel betrayed about being lied too, but I'm sure the gross factor would definitely be there as well.
Sometimes shit happens, and I can accept that a woman's consciousness sometimes ends up in a man's body. That doesn't make it right though, or allow you to force a deception on someone else.
It's not a lie to not tell someone you were born as a male when that fact is unimportant both to your life and theirs. When I start dating a girl, I don't tell them everything about my past. I shouldn't have to. It isn't about loving the person they were as a kid or a teenager, it's about loving the person they are now.
I have this bad attitude because I am afraid, for me, my wife, my kids, my brother, sister, aunts, uncles. I am afraid because of the intolerance and ignorance of people who think that somehow my choices affect them in any way. I am afraid because of people like those who have posted in this thread - people like Raelcunt who think that it is their "responsibility" to "out" someone for being different.
I totally feel you dude. Some of the most retarded and stubborn prejudice I've come across is in regards to gender identity. I do think there are some cases where it's a bit tricky to simply live and let live, but they're a great minority and not the case here. Still, I'd be cautious about beating on people who try and out those who want to keep such things secret. It's simple psych that by concealing something you inadvertently validate the belief of people who think it's wrong- why else would you keep it hidden. If you believe in something, be loud, be proud and deal with the consequences. You'll probably be no worse off than being afraid your whole life. Yes, I know what I'm saying.
On September 03 2010 07:15 hahha wrote: you can tell shes a man because her pointing finger is shorter then her ring finger its opposite for women
Not true. My ring finger is longer than my index finger on both hands.
On September 03 2010 04:24 ninini wrote: About he vs she. You can question the stereotypes, but you can't question your gender in itself. It's obvious that some males feel more stereotypical female or vice versa, but gender doesn't define how you are supposed to act and dress, society does. "Switching gender" is like being black and wanting to be white. You can lay off the rap music and listen to metal, but it won't change anything. You can bleach your skin, but you will still be genetically black. People still called Michael Jackson black after his vitiligo, even though he had the appearance of a white guy. So why should this person, as attractive in a feminine kind of way he might be, be called a woman?
I actually respect ppl a lot who are trying to break the gender-stereotypes, but no matter how much you want it to be, 2+2 will never equal 5 (except in Radiohead's world). You can question the use of the current mathematical system, but you can't question 2+2 being 4. Similarly, if you have a Y-chromosome, you are a man, no matter how you look, act and feel, as defined by language and science.
That is true, but why should we force it? What benefit comes from taking someone who emotionally, practically, and for all intensive purposes feels like a woman and force them to live their life as a man? What comes of that besides mental anguish, depression, and feelings of oppression?
If this model wants to be a woman (a beautiful one at that) I'll call her a woman. Deep down I know what she is and she does too, but being a man isn't working for her. I'm not going to be the asshole that forces her to live in a painful reality when her fantasy does nothing to hurt her or those around her.
On September 03 2010 04:26 FindingPride wrote: i hate the idea that transgender people are being accepted as they are. It scares me every day that i might meet a girl who is a man whom i find attractive. .. reminds me of that family guy episode... srsly it's not right. Everyone has rights. but when it can hurt other people there is a serious problem.. Id connect sex with a transgender to the mental anguish of being raped by another man... srsly... It's not cool. It's deception... I don't believe in a witch hunt of any kind but this should be frowned upon and not encouraged.
How stupid. If you had a loving relationship with a woman for 20 years only to find out she was a man at birth but had a sex change at a very young age you would really feel raped and disgusted? Nothing about the times you had together, her feminine charm, or the things that made you love her as a woman would count then? I can't relate to your way of thinking at all.
I'm pretty sure any normal person is like that. Are you really going to spend 20 years with a man who claims to be a women, fuck him, and then think positive?
If a man has a trans-op operation and becomes a woman, that individual is now a woman. Even the Iranian government thinks so.
For an individual to have loved another being for 20 years and balk out of the relationship over the fact that his partner was originally born as a different sex is sad. You, who would also readily balk out of such a relationship is sad - as then, the love you had for the other wasn't a love for the person, of who they were, but rather simply of what they were - a woman. Such a love could never resist the temptations of infidelity - as one can always find others who fulfill the what.
On September 03 2010 07:15 hahha wrote: you can tell shes a man because her pointing finger is shorter then her ring finger its opposite for women
Not true. My ring finger is longer than my index finger on both hands.
On September 03 2010 04:24 ninini wrote: About he vs she. You can question the stereotypes, but you can't question your gender in itself. It's obvious that some males feel more stereotypical female or vice versa, but gender doesn't define how you are supposed to act and dress, society does. "Switching gender" is like being black and wanting to be white. You can lay off the rap music and listen to metal, but it won't change anything. You can bleach your skin, but you will still be genetically black. People still called Michael Jackson black after his vitiligo, even though he had the appearance of a white guy. So why should this person, as attractive in a feminine kind of way he might be, be called a woman?
I actually respect ppl a lot who are trying to break the gender-stereotypes, but no matter how much you want it to be, 2+2 will never equal 5 (except in Radiohead's world). You can question the use of the current mathematical system, but you can't question 2+2 being 4. Similarly, if you have a Y-chromosome, you are a man, no matter how you look, act and feel, as defined by language and science.
That is true, but why should we force it? What benefit comes from taking someone who emotionally, practically, and for all intensive purposes feels like a woman and force them to live their life as a man? What comes of that besides mental anguish, depression, and feelings of oppression?
If this model wants to be a woman (a beautiful one at that) I'll call her a woman. Deep down I know what she is and she does too, but being a man isn't working for her. I'm not going to be the asshole that forces her to live in a painful reality when her fantasy does nothing to hurt her or those around her.
On September 03 2010 04:26 FindingPride wrote: i hate the idea that transgender people are being accepted as they are. It scares me every day that i might meet a girl who is a man whom i find attractive. .. reminds me of that family guy episode... srsly it's not right. Everyone has rights. but when it can hurt other people there is a serious problem.. Id connect sex with a transgender to the mental anguish of being raped by another man... srsly... It's not cool. It's deception... I don't believe in a witch hunt of any kind but this should be frowned upon and not encouraged.
How stupid. If you had a loving relationship with a woman for 20 years only to find out she was a man at birth but had a sex change at a very young age you would really feel raped and disgusted? Nothing about the times you had together, her feminine charm, or the things that made you love her as a woman would count then? I can't relate to your way of thinking at all.
I'm pretty sure any normal person is like that. Are you really going to spend 20 years with a man who claims to be a women, fuck him, and then think positive?
If a man has a trans-op operation and becomes a woman, that individual is now a woman. Even the Iranian government thinks so.
For an individual to have loved another being for 20 years and balk out of the relationship over the fact that his partner was originally born as a different sex is sad. You, who would also readily balk out of such a relationship is sad - as then, the love you had for the other wasn't a love for the person, of who they were, but rather simply of what they were - a woman. Such a love could never resist the temptations of infidelity - as one can always find others who fulfill the what.
Ummm? Yes? You think someone is going to be happy being lied to for 20 years? eah, no. I don't like men, to me, a man who has a sex change operation is still a man. I would never even thinking about talking to a transgendered person, maybe to understand where they are coming from, but that's it.
On September 03 2010 07:15 hahha wrote: you can tell shes a man because her pointing finger is shorter then her ring finger its opposite for women
Not true. My ring finger is longer than my index finger on both hands.
On September 03 2010 04:24 ninini wrote: About he vs she. You can question the stereotypes, but you can't question your gender in itself. It's obvious that some males feel more stereotypical female or vice versa, but gender doesn't define how you are supposed to act and dress, society does. "Switching gender" is like being black and wanting to be white. You can lay off the rap music and listen to metal, but it won't change anything. You can bleach your skin, but you will still be genetically black. People still called Michael Jackson black after his vitiligo, even though he had the appearance of a white guy. So why should this person, as attractive in a feminine kind of way he might be, be called a woman?
I actually respect ppl a lot who are trying to break the gender-stereotypes, but no matter how much you want it to be, 2+2 will never equal 5 (except in Radiohead's world). You can question the use of the current mathematical system, but you can't question 2+2 being 4. Similarly, if you have a Y-chromosome, you are a man, no matter how you look, act and feel, as defined by language and science.
That is true, but why should we force it? What benefit comes from taking someone who emotionally, practically, and for all intensive purposes feels like a woman and force them to live their life as a man? What comes of that besides mental anguish, depression, and feelings of oppression?
If this model wants to be a woman (a beautiful one at that) I'll call her a woman. Deep down I know what she is and she does too, but being a man isn't working for her. I'm not going to be the asshole that forces her to live in a painful reality when her fantasy does nothing to hurt her or those around her.
On September 03 2010 04:26 FindingPride wrote: i hate the idea that transgender people are being accepted as they are. It scares me every day that i might meet a girl who is a man whom i find attractive. .. reminds me of that family guy episode... srsly it's not right. Everyone has rights. but when it can hurt other people there is a serious problem.. Id connect sex with a transgender to the mental anguish of being raped by another man... srsly... It's not cool. It's deception... I don't believe in a witch hunt of any kind but this should be frowned upon and not encouraged.
How stupid. If you had a loving relationship with a woman for 20 years only to find out she was a man at birth but had a sex change at a very young age you would really feel raped and disgusted? Nothing about the times you had together, her feminine charm, or the things that made you love her as a woman would count then? I can't relate to your way of thinking at all.
I'm pretty sure any normal person is like that. Are you really going to spend 20 years with a man who claims to be a women, fuck him, and then think positive?
If a man has a trans-op operation and becomes a woman, that individual is now a woman. Even the Iranian government thinks so.
For an individual to have loved another being for 20 years and balk out of the relationship over the fact that his partner was originally born as a different sex is sad. You, who would also readily balk out of such a relationship is sad - as then, the love you had for the other wasn't a love for the person, of who they were, but rather simply of what they were - a woman. Such a love could never resist the temptations of infidelity - as one can always find others who fulfill the what.
Ummm? Yes? You think someone is going to be happy being lied to for 20 years? eah, no. I don't like men, to me, a man who has a sex change operation is still a man. I would never even thinking about talking to a transgendered person, maybe to understand where they are coming from, but that's it.
Call me shallow, idc, its my opinion.
That tells me just about everything I need to know about you and the way you think.
On September 03 2010 07:15 hahha wrote: you can tell shes a man because her pointing finger is shorter then her ring finger its opposite for women
Not true. My ring finger is longer than my index finger on both hands.
On September 03 2010 04:24 ninini wrote: About he vs she. You can question the stereotypes, but you can't question your gender in itself. It's obvious that some males feel more stereotypical female or vice versa, but gender doesn't define how you are supposed to act and dress, society does. "Switching gender" is like being black and wanting to be white. You can lay off the rap music and listen to metal, but it won't change anything. You can bleach your skin, but you will still be genetically black. People still called Michael Jackson black after his vitiligo, even though he had the appearance of a white guy. So why should this person, as attractive in a feminine kind of way he might be, be called a woman?
I actually respect ppl a lot who are trying to break the gender-stereotypes, but no matter how much you want it to be, 2+2 will never equal 5 (except in Radiohead's world). You can question the use of the current mathematical system, but you can't question 2+2 being 4. Similarly, if you have a Y-chromosome, you are a man, no matter how you look, act and feel, as defined by language and science.
That is true, but why should we force it? What benefit comes from taking someone who emotionally, practically, and for all intensive purposes feels like a woman and force them to live their life as a man? What comes of that besides mental anguish, depression, and feelings of oppression?
If this model wants to be a woman (a beautiful one at that) I'll call her a woman. Deep down I know what she is and she does too, but being a man isn't working for her. I'm not going to be the asshole that forces her to live in a painful reality when her fantasy does nothing to hurt her or those around her.
On September 03 2010 04:26 FindingPride wrote: i hate the idea that transgender people are being accepted as they are. It scares me every day that i might meet a girl who is a man whom i find attractive. .. reminds me of that family guy episode... srsly it's not right. Everyone has rights. but when it can hurt other people there is a serious problem.. Id connect sex with a transgender to the mental anguish of being raped by another man... srsly... It's not cool. It's deception... I don't believe in a witch hunt of any kind but this should be frowned upon and not encouraged.
How stupid. If you had a loving relationship with a woman for 20 years only to find out she was a man at birth but had a sex change at a very young age you would really feel raped and disgusted? Nothing about the times you had together, her feminine charm, or the things that made you love her as a woman would count then? I can't relate to your way of thinking at all.
I'm pretty sure any normal person is like that. Are you really going to spend 20 years with a man who claims to be a women, fuck him, and then think positive?
If a man has a trans-op operation and becomes a woman, that individual is now a woman. Even the Iranian government thinks so.
For an individual to have loved another being for 20 years and balk out of the relationship over the fact that his partner was originally born as a different sex is sad. You, who would also readily balk out of such a relationship is sad - as then, the love you had for the other wasn't a love for the person, of who they were, but rather simply of what they were - a woman. Such a love could never resist the temptations of infidelity - as one can always find others who fulfill the what.
Ummm? Yes? You think someone is going to be happy being lied to for 20 years? eah, no. I don't like men, to me, a man who has a sex change operation is still a man. I would never even thinking about talking to a transgendered person, maybe to understand where they are coming from, but that's it.
Call me shallow, idc, its my opinion.
Unless you explicitly ask if your partner was once a male and she denies it, there were no lies and no deception. If you ask her if she is a male and she says "no, I am a woman," there is no deception here either as she is a female.
With you exposing your own inanity with your own hands, I feel like I have little more to say to you.
On September 03 2010 07:15 hahha wrote: you can tell shes a man because her pointing finger is shorter then her ring finger its opposite for women
Not true. My ring finger is longer than my index finger on both hands.
On September 03 2010 04:24 ninini wrote: About he vs she. You can question the stereotypes, but you can't question your gender in itself. It's obvious that some males feel more stereotypical female or vice versa, but gender doesn't define how you are supposed to act and dress, society does. "Switching gender" is like being black and wanting to be white. You can lay off the rap music and listen to metal, but it won't change anything. You can bleach your skin, but you will still be genetically black. People still called Michael Jackson black after his vitiligo, even though he had the appearance of a white guy. So why should this person, as attractive in a feminine kind of way he might be, be called a woman?
I actually respect ppl a lot who are trying to break the gender-stereotypes, but no matter how much you want it to be, 2+2 will never equal 5 (except in Radiohead's world). You can question the use of the current mathematical system, but you can't question 2+2 being 4. Similarly, if you have a Y-chromosome, you are a man, no matter how you look, act and feel, as defined by language and science.
That is true, but why should we force it? What benefit comes from taking someone who emotionally, practically, and for all intensive purposes feels like a woman and force them to live their life as a man? What comes of that besides mental anguish, depression, and feelings of oppression?
If this model wants to be a woman (a beautiful one at that) I'll call her a woman. Deep down I know what she is and she does too, but being a man isn't working for her. I'm not going to be the asshole that forces her to live in a painful reality when her fantasy does nothing to hurt her or those around her.
On September 03 2010 04:26 FindingPride wrote: i hate the idea that transgender people are being accepted as they are. It scares me every day that i might meet a girl who is a man whom i find attractive. .. reminds me of that family guy episode... srsly it's not right. Everyone has rights. but when it can hurt other people there is a serious problem.. Id connect sex with a transgender to the mental anguish of being raped by another man... srsly... It's not cool. It's deception... I don't believe in a witch hunt of any kind but this should be frowned upon and not encouraged.
How stupid. If you had a loving relationship with a woman for 20 years only to find out she was a man at birth but had a sex change at a very young age you would really feel raped and disgusted? Nothing about the times you had together, her feminine charm, or the things that made you love her as a woman would count then? I can't relate to your way of thinking at all.
I'm pretty sure any normal person is like that. Are you really going to spend 20 years with a man who claims to be a women, fuck him, and then think positive?
If a man has a trans-op operation and becomes a woman, that individual is now a woman. Even the Iranian government thinks so.
For an individual to have loved another being for 20 years and balk out of the relationship over the fact that his partner was originally born as a different sex is sad. You, who would also readily balk out of such a relationship is sad - as then, the love you had for the other wasn't a love for the person, of who they were, but rather simply of what they were - a woman. Such a love could never resist the temptations of infidelity - as one can always find others who fulfill the what.
Ummm? Yes? You think someone is going to be happy being lied to for 20 years? eah, no. I don't like men, to me, a man who has a sex change operation is still a man. I would never even thinking about talking to a transgendered person, maybe to understand where they are coming from, but that's it.
Call me shallow, idc, its my opinion.
That tells me just about everything I need to know about you and the way you think.
I said maybe just to understand where they are coming from, and that's it. And okay? So what if that tells you about how I think, is that suppose to be an insult?
On September 03 2010 07:15 hahha wrote: you can tell shes a man because her pointing finger is shorter then her ring finger its opposite for women
Not true. My ring finger is longer than my index finger on both hands.
On September 03 2010 04:24 ninini wrote: About he vs she. You can question the stereotypes, but you can't question your gender in itself. It's obvious that some males feel more stereotypical female or vice versa, but gender doesn't define how you are supposed to act and dress, society does. "Switching gender" is like being black and wanting to be white. You can lay off the rap music and listen to metal, but it won't change anything. You can bleach your skin, but you will still be genetically black. People still called Michael Jackson black after his vitiligo, even though he had the appearance of a white guy. So why should this person, as attractive in a feminine kind of way he might be, be called a woman?
I actually respect ppl a lot who are trying to break the gender-stereotypes, but no matter how much you want it to be, 2+2 will never equal 5 (except in Radiohead's world). You can question the use of the current mathematical system, but you can't question 2+2 being 4. Similarly, if you have a Y-chromosome, you are a man, no matter how you look, act and feel, as defined by language and science.
That is true, but why should we force it? What benefit comes from taking someone who emotionally, practically, and for all intensive purposes feels like a woman and force them to live their life as a man? What comes of that besides mental anguish, depression, and feelings of oppression?
If this model wants to be a woman (a beautiful one at that) I'll call her a woman. Deep down I know what she is and she does too, but being a man isn't working for her. I'm not going to be the asshole that forces her to live in a painful reality when her fantasy does nothing to hurt her or those around her.
On September 03 2010 04:26 FindingPride wrote: i hate the idea that transgender people are being accepted as they are. It scares me every day that i might meet a girl who is a man whom i find attractive. .. reminds me of that family guy episode... srsly it's not right. Everyone has rights. but when it can hurt other people there is a serious problem.. Id connect sex with a transgender to the mental anguish of being raped by another man... srsly... It's not cool. It's deception... I don't believe in a witch hunt of any kind but this should be frowned upon and not encouraged.
How stupid. If you had a loving relationship with a woman for 20 years only to find out she was a man at birth but had a sex change at a very young age you would really feel raped and disgusted? Nothing about the times you had together, her feminine charm, or the things that made you love her as a woman would count then? I can't relate to your way of thinking at all.
I'm pretty sure any normal person is like that. Are you really going to spend 20 years with a man who claims to be a women, fuck him, and then think positive?
If a man has a trans-op operation and becomes a woman, that individual is now a woman. Even the Iranian government thinks so.
For an individual to have loved another being for 20 years and balk out of the relationship over the fact that his partner was originally born as a different sex is sad. You, who would also readily balk out of such a relationship is sad - as then, the love you had for the other wasn't a love for the person, of who they were, but rather simply of what they were - a woman. Such a love could never resist the temptations of infidelity - as one can always find others who fulfill the what.
Ummm? Yes? You think someone is going to be happy being lied to for 20 years? eah, no. I don't like men, to me, a man who has a sex change operation is still a man. I would never even thinking about talking to a transgendered person, maybe to understand where they are coming from, but that's it.
Call me shallow, idc, its my opinion.
That tells me just about everything I need to know about you and the way you think.
I said maybe just to understand where they are coming from, and that's it. And okay? So what if that tells you about how I think, is that suppose to be an insult?
you don't think it is incredibly bigoted and close minded to refuse to talk to a transgendered person unless it was about their own predicament as a trans?
If a man has a trans-op operation and becomes a woman, that individual is now a woman. Even the Iranian government thinks so.
For an individual to have loved another being for 20 years and balk out of the relationship over the fact that his partner was originally born as a different sex is sad. You, who would also readily balk out of such a relationship is sad - as then, the love you had for the other wasn't a love for the person, of who they were, but rather simply of what they were - a woman. Such a love could never resist the temptations of infidelity - as one can always find others who fulfill the what.
Just something to say real quick:
There's a difference between the terms male/female and man/woman.
This individual is a woman regardless of wether she was born male and regardless of wether she has been through a sex reassignment operation. An operation will change the main sexual manifestations, but she is still a male. Being born male doesnt necessarily imply living as a man, the same way as being born female doesnt imply having to live as a woman, its most common because of the way culture has dealt with it through history and they way it deals with it now.
She is a gorgeous woman. Its still very odd that we place so much importance on placing that tag so quick, for if we were to follow the issue through, we would find that these terms are very poor for the experience of being
On September 03 2010 07:15 hahha wrote: you can tell shes a man because her pointing finger is shorter then her ring finger its opposite for women
Not true. My ring finger is longer than my index finger on both hands.
On September 03 2010 04:24 ninini wrote: About he vs she. You can question the stereotypes, but you can't question your gender in itself. It's obvious that some males feel more stereotypical female or vice versa, but gender doesn't define how you are supposed to act and dress, society does. "Switching gender" is like being black and wanting to be white. You can lay off the rap music and listen to metal, but it won't change anything. You can bleach your skin, but you will still be genetically black. People still called Michael Jackson black after his vitiligo, even though he had the appearance of a white guy. So why should this person, as attractive in a feminine kind of way he might be, be called a woman?
I actually respect ppl a lot who are trying to break the gender-stereotypes, but no matter how much you want it to be, 2+2 will never equal 5 (except in Radiohead's world). You can question the use of the current mathematical system, but you can't question 2+2 being 4. Similarly, if you have a Y-chromosome, you are a man, no matter how you look, act and feel, as defined by language and science.
That is true, but why should we force it? What benefit comes from taking someone who emotionally, practically, and for all intensive purposes feels like a woman and force them to live their life as a man? What comes of that besides mental anguish, depression, and feelings of oppression?
If this model wants to be a woman (a beautiful one at that) I'll call her a woman. Deep down I know what she is and she does too, but being a man isn't working for her. I'm not going to be the asshole that forces her to live in a painful reality when her fantasy does nothing to hurt her or those around her.
On September 03 2010 04:26 FindingPride wrote: i hate the idea that transgender people are being accepted as they are. It scares me every day that i might meet a girl who is a man whom i find attractive. .. reminds me of that family guy episode... srsly it's not right. Everyone has rights. but when it can hurt other people there is a serious problem.. Id connect sex with a transgender to the mental anguish of being raped by another man... srsly... It's not cool. It's deception... I don't believe in a witch hunt of any kind but this should be frowned upon and not encouraged.
How stupid. If you had a loving relationship with a woman for 20 years only to find out she was a man at birth but had a sex change at a very young age you would really feel raped and disgusted? Nothing about the times you had together, her feminine charm, or the things that made you love her as a woman would count then? I can't relate to your way of thinking at all.
I'm pretty sure any normal person is like that. Are you really going to spend 20 years with a man who claims to be a women, fuck him, and then think positive?
If a man has a trans-op operation and becomes a woman, that individual is now a woman. Even the Iranian government thinks so.
For an individual to have loved another being for 20 years and balk out of the relationship over the fact that his partner was originally born as a different sex is sad. You, who would also readily balk out of such a relationship is sad - as then, the love you had for the other wasn't a love for the person, of who they were, but rather simply of what they were - a woman. Such a love could never resist the temptations of infidelity - as one can always find others who fulfill the what.
Ummm? Yes? You think someone is going to be happy being lied to for 20 years? eah, no. I don't like men, to me, a man who has a sex change operation is still a man. I would never even thinking about talking to a transgendered person, maybe to understand where they are coming from, but that's it.
Call me shallow, idc, its my opinion.
That tells me just about everything I need to know about you and the way you think.
I said maybe just to understand where they are coming from, and that's it. And okay? So what if that tells you about how I think, is that suppose to be an insult?
you don't think it is incredibly bigoted and close minded to refuse to talk to a transgendered person unless it was about their own predicament as a trans?
yes it is an insult directly to your character
I do think its incredibly bigoted and close minded, whats the problem? my opinion bro.
Lol I'm glad that insult is only an opinion. I bet more people share my train of thought then yours.
This thread reminds me very strongly of the one about Caster Semenya. Now, I'm aware that the model (as far as we know) doesn't have the odd set of chromosomes that Semenya has, but there are some interesting parallels. The difference between "man" and "woman" isn't nearly as clear cut as many of us would like to believe and sometimes not even "male" and "female".
On September 03 2010 07:15 hahha wrote: you can tell shes a man because her pointing finger is shorter then her ring finger its opposite for women
Not true. My ring finger is longer than my index finger on both hands.
On September 03 2010 04:24 ninini wrote: About he vs she. You can question the stereotypes, but you can't question your gender in itself. It's obvious that some males feel more stereotypical female or vice versa, but gender doesn't define how you are supposed to act and dress, society does. "Switching gender" is like being black and wanting to be white. You can lay off the rap music and listen to metal, but it won't change anything. You can bleach your skin, but you will still be genetically black. People still called Michael Jackson black after his vitiligo, even though he had the appearance of a white guy. So why should this person, as attractive in a feminine kind of way he might be, be called a woman?
I actually respect ppl a lot who are trying to break the gender-stereotypes, but no matter how much you want it to be, 2+2 will never equal 5 (except in Radiohead's world). You can question the use of the current mathematical system, but you can't question 2+2 being 4. Similarly, if you have a Y-chromosome, you are a man, no matter how you look, act and feel, as defined by language and science.
That is true, but why should we force it? What benefit comes from taking someone who emotionally, practically, and for all intensive purposes feels like a woman and force them to live their life as a man? What comes of that besides mental anguish, depression, and feelings of oppression?
If this model wants to be a woman (a beautiful one at that) I'll call her a woman. Deep down I know what she is and she does too, but being a man isn't working for her. I'm not going to be the asshole that forces her to live in a painful reality when her fantasy does nothing to hurt her or those around her.
On September 03 2010 04:26 FindingPride wrote: i hate the idea that transgender people are being accepted as they are. It scares me every day that i might meet a girl who is a man whom i find attractive. .. reminds me of that family guy episode... srsly it's not right. Everyone has rights. but when it can hurt other people there is a serious problem.. Id connect sex with a transgender to the mental anguish of being raped by another man... srsly... It's not cool. It's deception... I don't believe in a witch hunt of any kind but this should be frowned upon and not encouraged.
How stupid. If you had a loving relationship with a woman for 20 years only to find out she was a man at birth but had a sex change at a very young age you would really feel raped and disgusted? Nothing about the times you had together, her feminine charm, or the things that made you love her as a woman would count then? I can't relate to your way of thinking at all.
I'm pretty sure any normal person is like that. Are you really going to spend 20 years with a man who claims to be a women, fuck him, and then think positive?
If a man has a trans-op operation and becomes a woman, that individual is now a woman. Even the Iranian government thinks so.
For an individual to have loved another being for 20 years and balk out of the relationship over the fact that his partner was originally born as a different sex is sad. You, who would also readily balk out of such a relationship is sad - as then, the love you had for the other wasn't a love for the person, of who they were, but rather simply of what they were - a woman. Such a love could never resist the temptations of infidelity - as one can always find others who fulfill the what.
Ummm? Yes? You think someone is going to be happy being lied to for 20 years? eah, no. I don't like men, to me, a man who has a sex change operation is still a man. I would never even thinking about talking to a transgendered person, maybe to understand where they are coming from, but that's it.
Call me shallow, idc, its my opinion.
That tells me just about everything I need to know about you and the way you think.
I said maybe just to understand where they are coming from, and that's it. And okay? So what if that tells you about how I think, is that suppose to be an insult?
you don't think it is incredibly bigoted and close minded to refuse to talk to a transgendered person unless it was about their own predicament as a trans?
yes it is an insult directly to your character
I do think its incredibly bigoted and close minded, whats the problem? my opinion bro.
Lol I'm glad that insult is only an opinion. I bet more people share my train of thought then yours.
So, your bigotry (that you acknowledge freely as bigotry) is acceptable to you because others possess it as well?
On September 03 2010 10:41 The PWNion wrote: Why is it bigotry if he values people who value their gender?
this post reeks of ignorance on two levels
the first level is that you are implying that all he is doing is "valuing people who value their gender" when he is refusing to associate with or speak to anyone who falls outside that realm of what he considers the norm. that is what bigotry is. it is completely irrelevant if he values non-transgendered people or not.
secondly you are implying that transgendered people "don't value their gender" and everyone else does. this is wrong. gender is mental and if someone is mentally a woman but physically a man, the physical transformation from man to woman is done out of value of ones own gender.
On September 03 2010 10:41 The PWNion wrote: Why is it bigotry if he values people who value their gender?
this post reeks of ignorance on two levels
the first level is that you are implying that is all he is doing when he is refusing to associate with or speak to anyone who falls outside that realm of what he considers the norm. that is what bigotry is.
secondly you are implying that transgendered people "don't value their gender" and everyone else does. this is wrong. gender is mental and if someone is mentally a woman but physically a man, the physical transformation from man to woman is done out of value of ones own gender.
Lol logic crits The PWNion's statement for 9001, The PWNion's statement dies.
On September 03 2010 10:41 The PWNion wrote: Why is it bigotry if he values people who value their gender?
this post reeks of ignorance on two levels
the first level is that you are implying that is all he is doing when he is refusing to associate with or speak to anyone who falls outside that realm of what he considers the norm. that is what bigotry is.
secondly you are implying that transgendered people "don't value their gender" and everyone else does. this is wrong. gender is mental and if someone is mentally a woman but physically a man, the physical transformation from man to woman is done out of value of ones own gender.
No gender is not mental, you are born w/ hormones for your gender, males have male hormones and females have female hormones. Hey, aren't you that person who wanted to rape pokebunny too? I don't like your type of people either.
On September 03 2010 07:15 hahha wrote: you can tell shes a man because her pointing finger is shorter then her ring finger its opposite for women
Not true. My ring finger is longer than my index finger on both hands.
On September 03 2010 04:24 ninini wrote: About he vs she. You can question the stereotypes, but you can't question your gender in itself. It's obvious that some males feel more stereotypical female or vice versa, but gender doesn't define how you are supposed to act and dress, society does. "Switching gender" is like being black and wanting to be white. You can lay off the rap music and listen to metal, but it won't change anything. You can bleach your skin, but you will still be genetically black. People still called Michael Jackson black after his vitiligo, even though he had the appearance of a white guy. So why should this person, as attractive in a feminine kind of way he might be, be called a woman?
I actually respect ppl a lot who are trying to break the gender-stereotypes, but no matter how much you want it to be, 2+2 will never equal 5 (except in Radiohead's world). You can question the use of the current mathematical system, but you can't question 2+2 being 4. Similarly, if you have a Y-chromosome, you are a man, no matter how you look, act and feel, as defined by language and science.
That is true, but why should we force it? What benefit comes from taking someone who emotionally, practically, and for all intensive purposes feels like a woman and force them to live their life as a man? What comes of that besides mental anguish, depression, and feelings of oppression?
If this model wants to be a woman (a beautiful one at that) I'll call her a woman. Deep down I know what she is and she does too, but being a man isn't working for her. I'm not going to be the asshole that forces her to live in a painful reality when her fantasy does nothing to hurt her or those around her.
On September 03 2010 04:26 FindingPride wrote: i hate the idea that transgender people are being accepted as they are. It scares me every day that i might meet a girl who is a man whom i find attractive. .. reminds me of that family guy episode... srsly it's not right. Everyone has rights. but when it can hurt other people there is a serious problem.. Id connect sex with a transgender to the mental anguish of being raped by another man... srsly... It's not cool. It's deception... I don't believe in a witch hunt of any kind but this should be frowned upon and not encouraged.
How stupid. If you had a loving relationship with a woman for 20 years only to find out she was a man at birth but had a sex change at a very young age you would really feel raped and disgusted? Nothing about the times you had together, her feminine charm, or the things that made you love her as a woman would count then? I can't relate to your way of thinking at all.
I'm pretty sure any normal person is like that. Are you really going to spend 20 years with a man who claims to be a women, fuck him, and then think positive?
If a man has a trans-op operation and becomes a woman, that individual is now a woman. Even the Iranian government thinks so.
For an individual to have loved another being for 20 years and balk out of the relationship over the fact that his partner was originally born as a different sex is sad. You, who would also readily balk out of such a relationship is sad - as then, the love you had for the other wasn't a love for the person, of who they were, but rather simply of what they were - a woman. Such a love could never resist the temptations of infidelity - as one can always find others who fulfill the what.
Ummm? Yes? You think someone is going to be happy being lied to for 20 years? eah, no. I don't like men, to me, a man who has a sex change operation is still a man. I would never even thinking about talking to a transgendered person, maybe to understand where they are coming from, but that's it.
Call me shallow, idc, its my opinion.
That tells me just about everything I need to know about you and the way you think.
I said maybe just to understand where they are coming from, and that's it. And okay? So what if that tells you about how I think, is that suppose to be an insult?
you don't think it is incredibly bigoted and close minded to refuse to talk to a transgendered person unless it was about their own predicament as a trans?
yes it is an insult directly to your character
I do think its incredibly bigoted and close minded, whats the problem? my opinion bro.
Lol I'm glad that insult is only an opinion. I bet more people share my train of thought then yours.
So, your bigotry (that you acknowledge freely as bigotry) is acceptable to you because others possess it as well?
If a man has a trans-op operation and becomes a woman, that individual is now a woman. Even the Iranian government thinks so.
For an individual to have loved another being for 20 years and balk out of the relationship over the fact that his partner was originally born as a different sex is sad. You, who would also readily balk out of such a relationship is sad - as then, the love you had for the other wasn't a love for the person, of who they were, but rather simply of what they were - a woman. Such a love could never resist the temptations of infidelity - as one can always find others who fulfill the what.
Just something to say real quick:
There's a difference between the terms male/female and man/woman.
This individual is a woman regardless of wether she was born male and regardless of wether she has been through a sex reassignment operation. An operation will change the main sexual manifestations, but she is still a male.
She is a gorgeous woman. Its still very odd that we place so much importance on placing that tag so quick, for if we were to follow the issue through, we would find that these terms are very poor for the experience of being.
I suppose you could put it that way. I'm still a bit hazy in using adequate terms when it comes to the issue of gender and sex.
My main issue with people like him isn't necessarily about what he thinks about transsexuals alone anyway, it is about him judging for what an individual is, not who. If you really look at bigots of any spectrum, you can readily see that this trait is common amongst all of them whether the object of their hatred is religious, political, social, cultural, sexual, etc. etc.
No gender is not mental, you are born w/ hormones for your gender, males have male hormones and females have female hormones. Hey, aren't you that person who wanted to rape pokebunny too? I don't like your type of people either.
Medicine disagrees with you. Even if its not the norm its common knowledge in medicine that people tend to associate themselves with a gender at some point of their life, and thats not always the gender they were born with.
What is important to someone's life differs from person to person. Sex is incredibly private and personal to many. I could love a gay guy as a friend, but the thought of having sex with him fills me with disgust. Most people wouldn't find that bigoted. Why should it be any different with transgendered people?
Yes, I get that someone born biologically male may see herself as a woman. I don't why we have to accept her own label of herself as a woman. Labels are subjective. People have different ideas about what it means to be a woman, and what kind of woman they want to have sex with. There is nothing wrong with that as long as you don't consider transgendered people lesser HUMANS.
So yes, I would feel greatly harmed if the woman I'm having sex with told me she was a post-op transsexual. I consider it my right to share my body with a person of my choosing, based on characteristics that are important to me.
Look at his neck, it is small and in most photos he hides it, but it is clearly there on some other photos. This is one of the best ways to identify a trap.
No gender is not mental, you are born w/ hormones for your gender, males have male hormones and females have female hormones.
Gender is a social construct, a predominant way of constructing gender in this culture goes through the considerations of being a male or female human organism, but it is just one way of constructing gender. Gender can be constructed independently of the consideration of being a male or a female.
Whilst some hormones are most predominant in a male organism, some hormones most perdominant in a female organism, the presence of this hormones does not determine the construction of gender. Having male or female hormones, being a male or female organism, does not lead into "being" a woman or a man.
No gender is not mental, you are born w/ hormones for your gender, males have male hormones and females have female hormones.
Gender is a social construct, a predominant way of constructing gender in this culture goes through the considerations of being a male or female human organism, but it is just one way of constructing gender. Gender can be constructed independently of the consideration of being a male or a female.
Whilst some hormones are most predominant in a male organism, some hormones most perdominant in a female organism, the presence of this hormones does not determine the construction of gender. Having male or female hormones, being a male or female organism, does not lead into "being" a woman or a man.
If you accept that gender is a social construct, then you must also accept that gender labeling is subjective. Therefore I cannot be wrong in thinking that a particular attribute (biological sex) is important to me in defining what a woman is. I will respect someone's wishes to a labeled a certain way out of courtesy, but I certainly don't have to change my personal belief of what a woman is.
On September 03 2010 10:41 The PWNion wrote: Why is it bigotry if he values people who value their gender?
this post reeks of ignorance on two levels
the first level is that you are implying that is all he is doing when he is refusing to associate with or speak to anyone who falls outside that realm of what he considers the norm. that is what bigotry is.
secondly you are implying that transgendered people "don't value their gender" and everyone else does. this is wrong. gender is mental and if someone is mentally a woman but physically a man, the physical transformation from man to woman is done out of value of ones own gender.
No gender is not mental, you are born w/ hormones for your gender, males have male hormones and females have female hormones. Hey, aren't you that person who wanted to rape pokebunny too? I don't like your type of people either.
On September 03 2010 09:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote: [quote] Not true. My ring finger is longer than my index finger on both hands.
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That is true, but why should we force it? What benefit comes from taking someone who emotionally, practically, and for all intensive purposes feels like a woman and force them to live their life as a man? What comes of that besides mental anguish, depression, and feelings of oppression?
If this model wants to be a woman (a beautiful one at that) I'll call her a woman. Deep down I know what she is and she does too, but being a man isn't working for her. I'm not going to be the asshole that forces her to live in a painful reality when her fantasy does nothing to hurt her or those around her.
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How stupid. If you had a loving relationship with a woman for 20 years only to find out she was a man at birth but had a sex change at a very young age you would really feel raped and disgusted? Nothing about the times you had together, her feminine charm, or the things that made you love her as a woman would count then? I can't relate to your way of thinking at all.
I'm pretty sure any normal person is like that. Are you really going to spend 20 years with a man who claims to be a women, fuck him, and then think positive?
If a man has a trans-op operation and becomes a woman, that individual is now a woman. Even the Iranian government thinks so.
For an individual to have loved another being for 20 years and balk out of the relationship over the fact that his partner was originally born as a different sex is sad. You, who would also readily balk out of such a relationship is sad - as then, the love you had for the other wasn't a love for the person, of who they were, but rather simply of what they were - a woman. Such a love could never resist the temptations of infidelity - as one can always find others who fulfill the what.
Ummm? Yes? You think someone is going to be happy being lied to for 20 years? eah, no. I don't like men, to me, a man who has a sex change operation is still a man. I would never even thinking about talking to a transgendered person, maybe to understand where they are coming from, but that's it.
Call me shallow, idc, its my opinion.
That tells me just about everything I need to know about you and the way you think.
I said maybe just to understand where they are coming from, and that's it. And okay? So what if that tells you about how I think, is that suppose to be an insult?
you don't think it is incredibly bigoted and close minded to refuse to talk to a transgendered person unless it was about their own predicament as a trans?
yes it is an insult directly to your character
I do think its incredibly bigoted and close minded, whats the problem? my opinion bro.
Lol I'm glad that insult is only an opinion. I bet more people share my train of thought then yours.
So, your bigotry (that you acknowledge freely as bigotry) is acceptable to you because others possess it as well?
I don't care if it is acceptable or not.
gender is mental sex is physical
by "you people" are you implying that I am a homosexual, pedophile, or rapist? I often am accused of all three so I'd like to know which one you think I am before I contradict it (i am not any of those things)
If you accept that gender is a social construct, then you must also accept that gender labeling is subjective. Therefore I cannot be wrong in thinking that a particular attribute (biological sex) is important to me in defining what a woman is. I will respect someone's wishes to a labeled a certain way out of courtesy, but I certainly don't have to change my personal belief of what a woman is.
On September 03 2010 11:03 night terrors wrote: Gender is a social construct, a predominant way of constructing gender in this culture goes through the considerations of being a male or female human organism, but it is just one way of constructing gender. Gender can be constructed independently of the consideration of being a male or a female.
No gender is not mental, you are born w/ hormones for your gender, males have male hormones and females have female hormones.
Gender is a social construct, a predominant way of constructing gender in this culture goes through the considerations of being a male or female human organism, but it is just one way of constructing gender. Gender can be constructed independently of the consideration of being a male or a female.
Whilst some hormones are most predominant in a male organism, some hormones most perdominant in a female organism, the presence of this hormones does not determine the construction of gender. Having male or female hormones, being a male or female organism, does not lead into "being" a woman or a man.
If you accept that gender is a social construct, then you must also accept that gender labeling is subjective. Therefore I cannot be wrong in thinking that a particular attribute (biological sex) is important to me in defining what a woman is. I will respect someone's wishes to a labeled a certain way out of courtesy, but I certainly don't have to change my personal belief of what a woman is.
I respect that as long as transgendered persons are treated with the dignity and respect that they deserve.
On September 03 2010 10:41 The PWNion wrote: Why is it bigotry if he values people who value their gender?
this post reeks of ignorance on two levels
the first level is that you are implying that is all he is doing when he is refusing to associate with or speak to anyone who falls outside that realm of what he considers the norm. that is what bigotry is.
secondly you are implying that transgendered people "don't value their gender" and everyone else does. this is wrong. gender is mental and if someone is mentally a woman but physically a man, the physical transformation from man to woman is done out of value of ones own gender.
No gender is not mental, you are born w/ hormones for your gender, males have male hormones and females have female hormones. Hey, aren't you that person who wanted to rape pokebunny too? I don't like your type of people either.
On September 03 2010 10:31 night terrors wrote:
On September 03 2010 10:28 Diuqil wrote:
I do think its incredibly bigoted and close minded, whats the problem? my opinion bro.
Lol I'm glad that insult is only an opinion. I bet more people share my train of thought then yours.
I dont mind being an asshole, i just mind being a lonely asshole?
I'm trying to tell this Doctor guy that he shouldn't be shocked about my opinion.
On September 03 2010 10:37 Draconizard wrote:
On September 03 2010 10:28 Diuqil wrote:
On September 03 2010 10:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On September 03 2010 10:21 Diuqil wrote:
On September 03 2010 10:13 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On September 03 2010 10:12 Diuqil wrote:
On September 03 2010 10:06 koreasilver wrote:
On September 03 2010 09:56 Diuqil wrote: [quote] I'm pretty sure any normal person is like that. Are you really going to spend 20 years with a man who claims to be a women, fuck him, and then think positive?
If a man has a trans-op operation and becomes a woman, that individual is now a woman. Even the Iranian government thinks so.
For an individual to have loved another being for 20 years and balk out of the relationship over the fact that his partner was originally born as a different sex is sad. You, who would also readily balk out of such a relationship is sad - as then, the love you had for the other wasn't a love for the person, of who they were, but rather simply of what they were - a woman. Such a love could never resist the temptations of infidelity - as one can always find others who fulfill the what.
Ummm? Yes? You think someone is going to be happy being lied to for 20 years? eah, no. I don't like men, to me, a man who has a sex change operation is still a man. I would never even thinking about talking to a transgendered person, maybe to understand where they are coming from, but that's it.
Call me shallow, idc, its my opinion.
That tells me just about everything I need to know about you and the way you think.
I said maybe just to understand where they are coming from, and that's it. And okay? So what if that tells you about how I think, is that suppose to be an insult?
you don't think it is incredibly bigoted and close minded to refuse to talk to a transgendered person unless it was about their own predicament as a trans?
yes it is an insult directly to your character
I do think its incredibly bigoted and close minded, whats the problem? my opinion bro.
Lol I'm glad that insult is only an opinion. I bet more people share my train of thought then yours.
So, your bigotry (that you acknowledge freely as bigotry) is acceptable to you because others possess it as well?
I don't care if it is acceptable or not.
gender is mental sex is physical
by "you people" are you implying that I am a homosexual, pedophile, or rapist? I often am accused of all three so I'd like to know which one you think I am before I contradict it (i am not any of those things)
I think you are an pedophile, shall I link you to the pokebunny blog that got you banned?
I think "he"s hot as a girl, i don't think theres anything wrong with that. if jessica alba suddenly announced she was a man, would you all be like "ewww so gross i never want to look like that"
If she feels more comfortable being a female more power to her. She looks pretty good too. Some guys are really good looking as a female, what can I say.
On September 03 2010 06:53 JIJIyO wrote: Some guys are really good looking as a female, what can I say.
I'm going to have to agree with this.
Quite an odd first post, but I'm flattered it was quoting something I said haha. Some girls also pull off a guy look well as well. Not really the butch ones, but the more tom boyish ones. The way someone feels about their gender is up to them, so if they feel they should be the other gender let them. I'll leave it at that as I don't want to start a debate.
On September 03 2010 01:30 Jayme wrote: Japan has notoriously been stupidly good at transsexual gender reconstruction. Their facial features lend themselves to it.
There is a picture of 20 japanese women circulating the net...only 1 of which is actually a woman.
You really can't tell with some of the best ones, at all.
Not the one you're talking about, but still the same idea.
If she feels more comfortable being a female more power to her. She looks pretty good too. Some guys are really good looking as a female, what can I say.
If she feels more comfortable being a female more power to her. She looks pretty good too. Some guys are really good looking as a female, what can I say.
On September 03 2010 06:53 JIJIyO wrote: Some guys are really good looking as a female, what can I say.
I'm going to have to agree with this.
Quite an odd first post, but I'm flattered it was quoting something I said haha. Some girls also pull off a guy look well as well. Not really the butch ones, but the more tom boyish ones. The way someone feels about their gender is up to them, so if they feel they should be the other gender let them. I'll leave it at that as I don't want to start a debate.
On September 03 2010 01:30 Jayme wrote: Japan has notoriously been stupidly good at transsexual gender reconstruction. Their facial features lend themselves to it.
There is a picture of 20 japanese women circulating the net...only 1 of which is actually a woman.
You really can't tell with some of the best ones, at all.
Not the one you're talking about, but still the same idea.
If she feels more comfortable being a female more power to her. She looks pretty good too. Some guys are really good looking as a female, what can I say.
Wow fail on my part I was sure it was either 3 or 5. >.< Guess I can't tell at all.
LOL. I thought it was 5 on my first try as well. S/he is my favourite if all were girls. 3 was also my friend's favourite, go figure.
They all look like women :|
WHO CAN WE TRUST IF WE CAN"T TRUST GENDER? lol That is just crazy :/ If I had a career like she, er.. he.. has (had) I don't think i'd admit such a thing. Still looks like a girl though.
If she feels more comfortable being a female more power to her. She looks pretty good too. Some guys are really good looking as a female, what can I say.
On September 03 2010 06:53 JIJIyO wrote: Some guys are really good looking as a female, what can I say.
I'm going to have to agree with this.
Quite an odd first post, but I'm flattered it was quoting something I said haha. Some girls also pull off a guy look well as well. Not really the butch ones, but the more tom boyish ones. The way someone feels about their gender is up to them, so if they feel they should be the other gender let them. I'll leave it at that as I don't want to start a debate.
On September 03 2010 01:30 Jayme wrote: Japan has notoriously been stupidly good at transsexual gender reconstruction. Their facial features lend themselves to it.
There is a picture of 20 japanese women circulating the net...only 1 of which is actually a woman.
You really can't tell with some of the best ones, at all.
Not the one you're talking about, but still the same idea.
If she feels more comfortable being a female more power to her. She looks pretty good too. Some guys are really good looking as a female, what can I say.
Wow fail on my part I was sure it was either 3 or 5. >.< Guess I can't tell at all.
LOL. I thought it was 5 on my first try as well. S/he is my favourite if all were girls. 3 was also my friend's favourite, go figure.
Well, I'm flattered that you acknowledged my first post. And, I agree with you on the woman thing too. Butch... not so much. Tom Boy ones can equal win though.
If she feels more comfortable being a female more power to her. She looks pretty good too. Some guys are really good looking as a female, what can I say.
My friend told me, so I'm taking his word for it. I'll assume he got it off a website that had the answer.
On September 03 2010 09:52 intocake wrote:
On September 03 2010 06:53 JIJIyO wrote: Some guys are really good looking as a female, what can I say.
I'm going to have to agree with this.
Quite an odd first post, but I'm flattered it was quoting something I said haha. Some girls also pull off a guy look well as well. Not really the butch ones, but the more tom boyish ones. The way someone feels about their gender is up to them, so if they feel they should be the other gender let them. I'll leave it at that as I don't want to start a debate.
On September 03 2010 07:07 GodIsNotHere wrote:
On September 03 2010 06:53 JIJIyO wrote:
On September 03 2010 01:30 Jayme wrote: Japan has notoriously been stupidly good at transsexual gender reconstruction. Their facial features lend themselves to it.
There is a picture of 20 japanese women circulating the net...only 1 of which is actually a woman.
You really can't tell with some of the best ones, at all.
Not the one you're talking about, but still the same idea.
If she feels more comfortable being a female more power to her. She looks pretty good too. Some guys are really good looking as a female, what can I say.
Wow fail on my part I was sure it was either 3 or 5. >.< Guess I can't tell at all.
LOL. I thought it was 5 on my first try as well. S/he is my favourite if all were girls. 3 was also my friend's favourite, go figure.
Well, I'm flattered that you acknowledged my first post. And, I agree with you on the woman thing too. Butch... not so much. Tom Boy ones can equal win though.
Okay, so I've been thinking about this whole thing for awhile now with some beers. Basically, I just like the way woman (mainly attractive ones) look. The dude that this thread is about looks like a fairly attractive woman. I've admitting to liking Tom Boy girls, but I think I only like looking at the cute ones that I can tell are girls. I'm not really into butch woman.
My point is: If it/she looks like an attractive woman then I'm in (in terms of just looking). If it/her looks like a dude or actually has a penis then I have no interest in it. But, everybody can choose to look however they want.
Wouldn't like they notice he has a dick? Since he had no plastic surgery? I don't really understand? unless he/she was born as a dude with a female genitalia? I am not really sure where he got the boobs aswell? Stuffed? :| I don't understand.
On September 03 2010 10:57 Slow Motion wrote: What is important to someone's life differs from person to person. Sex is incredibly private and personal to many. I could love a gay guy as a friend, but the thought of having sex with him fills me with disgust. Most people wouldn't find that bigoted. Why should it be any different with transgendered people?
This, at its core, is extremely true. Just like the thought of having sex with someone you find you have no interest in at all would likely disgust you. Question (a bit on the low side, but) - given they are both the way they looked at 21: Megan Fox or Barbara Streisand?
On September 03 2010 10:57 Slow Motion wrote: Yes, I get that someone born biologically male may see herself as a woman. I don't why we have to accept her own label of herself as a woman. Labels are subjective. People have different ideas about what it means to be a woman, and what kind of woman they want to have sex with. There is nothing wrong with that as long as you don't consider transgendered people lesser HUMANS.
This seems acceptable... labels are subjective, however, I doubt you would say that Jamie Lee Curtis is not a woman, even if the rumors were true about her being a hermaphrodite. I also doubt you would call RuPaul a woman, because he is quite outspoken about being a queen (and a man).
On September 03 2010 10:57 Slow Motion wrote: So yes, I would feel greatly harmed if the woman I'm having sex with told me she was a post-op transsexual. I consider it my right to share my body with a person of my choosing, based on characteristics that are important to me.
Characteristics that are important to you... hmm, a scenario for you to consider, if you would.
You have sex with a few women.
The first woman, being post-op, must have a vagina. Having a vagina, she engaged in sexual intercourse with you. Having engaged in sexual intercourse with you, you decide that she just isn't for you, and you both go your separate ways. You never know about her being post-op.
The second woman has a vagina. This woman, having a vagina, also engaged in sexual intercourse with you. The results were similar to your prior experience, and you both decide to go your separate ways. You never know about her being married.
What is different between the first and the second encounter? You don't know about the trans status of the first, and being oblivious, you likely would not care.
You see, unless you are going to be in a committed relationship, there is no reason for you to know anything about your partners past aside from STD's, and I bet even then you don't ask. The most important question on any person engaging in sex with someone they don't know well should not be "Hey, are you an MtF?" It should be "I dont want to die, do you have AIDS?"
On September 03 2010 01:30 Jayme wrote: Japan has notoriously been stupidly good at transsexual gender reconstruction. Their facial features lend themselves to it.
There is a picture of 20 japanese women circulating the net...only 1 of which is actually a woman.
You really can't tell with some of the best ones, at all.
Not the one you're talking about, but still the same idea.
If she feels more comfortable being a female more power to her. She looks pretty good too. Some guys are really good looking as a female, what can I say.
i showed this to my friend as a test and he correctly guessed #2. according to him "its obvious everyone except for #2 is a man. all you need to do is imagine them with no hair." obvious..? idk about that...
On September 03 2010 10:41 The PWNion wrote: Why is it bigotry if he values people who value their gender?
this post reeks of ignorance on two levels
the first level is that you are implying that is all he is doing when he is refusing to associate with or speak to anyone who falls outside that realm of what he considers the norm. that is what bigotry is.
secondly you are implying that transgendered people "don't value their gender" and everyone else does. this is wrong. gender is mental and if someone is mentally a woman but physically a man, the physical transformation from man to woman is done out of value of ones own gender.
No gender is not mental, you are born w/ hormones for your gender, males have male hormones and females have female hormones. Hey, aren't you that person who wanted to rape pokebunny too? I don't like your type of people either.
On September 03 2010 10:31 night terrors wrote:
On September 03 2010 10:28 Diuqil wrote:
I do think its incredibly bigoted and close minded, whats the problem? my opinion bro.
Lol I'm glad that insult is only an opinion. I bet more people share my train of thought then yours.
I dont mind being an asshole, i just mind being a lonely asshole?
I'm trying to tell this Doctor guy that he shouldn't be shocked about my opinion.
On September 03 2010 10:37 Draconizard wrote:
On September 03 2010 10:28 Diuqil wrote:
On September 03 2010 10:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On September 03 2010 10:21 Diuqil wrote:
On September 03 2010 10:13 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On September 03 2010 10:12 Diuqil wrote:
On September 03 2010 10:06 koreasilver wrote: [quote] If a man has a trans-op operation and becomes a woman, that individual is now a woman. Even the Iranian government thinks so.
For an individual to have loved another being for 20 years and balk out of the relationship over the fact that his partner was originally born as a different sex is sad. You, who would also readily balk out of such a relationship is sad - as then, the love you had for the other wasn't a love for the person, of who they were, but rather simply of what they were - a woman. Such a love could never resist the temptations of infidelity - as one can always find others who fulfill the what.
Ummm? Yes? You think someone is going to be happy being lied to for 20 years? eah, no. I don't like men, to me, a man who has a sex change operation is still a man. I would never even thinking about talking to a transgendered person, maybe to understand where they are coming from, but that's it.
Call me shallow, idc, its my opinion.
That tells me just about everything I need to know about you and the way you think.
I said maybe just to understand where they are coming from, and that's it. And okay? So what if that tells you about how I think, is that suppose to be an insult?
you don't think it is incredibly bigoted and close minded to refuse to talk to a transgendered person unless it was about their own predicament as a trans?
yes it is an insult directly to your character
I do think its incredibly bigoted and close minded, whats the problem? my opinion bro.
Lol I'm glad that insult is only an opinion. I bet more people share my train of thought then yours.
So, your bigotry (that you acknowledge freely as bigotry) is acceptable to you because others possess it as well?
I don't care if it is acceptable or not.
gender is mental sex is physical
by "you people" are you implying that I am a homosexual, pedophile, or rapist? I often am accused of all three so I'd like to know which one you think I am before I contradict it (i am not any of those things)
I think you are an pedophile, shall I link you to the pokebunny blog that got you banned?
1. I've only been banned twice. One was self-requested for personal reasons, the second was for a racist joke. Not only was I not banned for the blog, but the blog was featured in pony express and I got a lot of PM's requesting the apology letter format I used. 2. I was obviously joking around with pokebunny. We get along fairly well and he is even smart enough to understand I'm not serious in hitting on him. 3. Pokebunny isn't even my type. 4. Pokebunny is 15 which would make an exclusive attraction to adolescents his age ephebophilia and not pedophilia.
Not directed at anyone in particular: If someone doesn't find transgendered people sexually attractive, who cares? You are more than welcome to find any person or group of people sexually attractive or unattractive. But transgendered people are more than just objects; they are people born with a brain that is at odds (to varying extents) with their body. Most transgendered people have the same goals in life as anybody else: to be happy and not harm anyone. It is very easy to target such a visible and vulnerable minority, but that doesn't mean its right. MtF transsexuals aren't in some crazy conspiracy to trick straight guys and 'make them gay'. Being trangendered is entirely unrelated to being gay. It is not gay 'turned up to 11.' I know one trans woman who is a lesbian. I know another that is dating a trans man. Some are gay, straight, bi, or any other sexual orientation you can dream up. Transgender people don't fall into neat little boxes any more than other groups. Not every transgendered person is a trans woman (there are trans men too!). Not everyone who is transgendered will take hormones. Not everyone who is transgendered will live full-time. Not all will have surgery. Each trans person has their own reasons for being or not being a certain way and doing or not doing certain things.
Being transgendered is not a choice, and other than a conflict between their sex and gender, you are more like them than you realize. To refuse to speak to someone, or to openly hate them, or make comments about vomiting upon seeing them is horrible.
On September 03 2010 01:30 Jayme wrote: Japan has notoriously been stupidly good at transsexual gender reconstruction. Their facial features lend themselves to it.
There is a picture of 20 japanese women circulating the net...only 1 of which is actually a woman.
You really can't tell with some of the best ones, at all.
Not the one you're talking about, but still the same idea.
If she feels more comfortable being a female more power to her. She looks pretty good too. Some guys are really good looking as a female, what can I say.
i showed this to my friend as a test and he correctly guessed #2. according to him "its obvious everyone except for #2 is a man. all you need to do is imagine them with no hair." obvious..? idk about that...
I guessed 2 or 7. Obviously if I didn't know where to look, it would be even harder. I think my criteria is more finding potentially manly flaws.
#1 kind of has a wide face, and doesn't look too attractive. Clothes don't really fit. #2, hard to tell any flaws, overly white skin compared to the rest, nicer hair, nothing to rule out. #3, kind of like #1, and too baggy clothes #4, hard to say, but not an ideal female model face, too ovally. But it kind of looks like those fake female progamer pictures, mostly the hair looks female. #5, similar face/clothes problems #6, Kind of looks like a guy with makeup #7, Face is a little less ideal than #2, but posture/figure makes it very likely to be female #8, Actually would easily pass for a girl of european descent, due to angular features. Off the top of my head, kind of like Eliza Dushku, but probably not a Japanese (girl)
Overall, it wouldn't be too surprising if they were girls, but not girl models. I've definitely seen uglier girls/girls that look like them.
i'm attracted to kayo for her feminine qualities, it's her as a woman that is appealing to people who voted yes. how do you filter attraction at a chromosomal level I must ask
i'm attracted to kayo for her feminine qualities, it's her as a woman that is appealing to people who voted yes. how do you filter attraction at a chromosomal level I must ask
justin beiber looks like a girl, would you bang him?
The white knighters and defenders should just save your breath.
In my own experience, 8 out of 10 guys would still have a sexual encounter with me if they knew that no one else would ever know that they did it.
It's a social stigma thing. People still generally think that a person's genitals determine their gender. It's completely idiotic and if they took a few seconds to actually think about it, they would realize how dumb they sound.
Nothing's going to change until people get more secure in their sexuality and stop letting society dictate to them what is acceptable.
As a side note, I'd be willing to bet that most of the people hating on this girl also think that them experiencing any kind of anal sex would mean that they are gay.
The best we can really do is wait for them to grow up and get more secure with themselves.
i'm attracted to kayo for her feminine qualities, it's her as a woman that is appealing to people who voted yes. how do you filter attraction at a chromosomal level I must ask
justin beiber looks like a girl, would you bang him?
i'm attracted to kayo for her feminine qualities, it's her as a woman that is appealing to people who voted yes. how do you filter attraction at a chromosomal level I must ask
justin beiber looks like a girl, would you bang him?
Lol I had to google justin beiber, yeh I had no clue who he was other then a musician. Anyway, to say he looks like a girl is just, no. He does not even look like a girl in the slightest. Think of this girl as a black person, would you say all the mean things about black people like you are yelling at this girl who was a man?
On September 02 2010 17:01 GTR wrote: still can't tell it's a man =[
seriously
though some of them make him look like sarah palin
On September 03 2010 20:26 crappen wrote:
Lol I had to google justin beiber, yeh I had no clue who he was other then a musician. Anyway, to say he looks like a girl is just, no. He does not even look like a girl in the slightest. Think of this girl as a black person, would you say all the mean things about black people like you are yelling at this girl who was a man?
I love reading these debates, it's pretty fun. I've read some posts here and there but I have to say to me, a Female and a Woman mean two different things to me, the same as a Male and a Man of course. I see Kayo Satoh as a Woman, but I also know Kayo Satoh is a Male. That's just the way I see it.
But eh, all us males were females at one point ^_^
i'm attracted to kayo for her feminine qualities, it's her as a woman that is appealing to people who voted yes. how do you filter attraction at a chromosomal level I must ask
justin beiber looks like a girl, would you bang him?
i'm attracted to kayo for her feminine qualities, it's her as a woman that is appealing to people who voted yes. how do you filter attraction at a chromosomal level I must ask
justin beiber looks like a girl, would you bang him?
You still dont get it do you? A vagina does not automatically turn you into a beautiful woman. Lesbians can be very rough and act like a man, even look like a man. That is why I an turned off by them.
On September 02 2010 17:43 Aberu wrote: Gender is not defined by someone having a penis or vagina anymore, and a lot of the 4chan-ny goofiness and ignorance in this thread shows how little people understand what gender really is nowadays.
You are absolutely right. List of things that make a person a man: #1: XY chromosome pairing. #2: A penis (see #1)
People can fuck around with nature all they want with surgery and hormones, it doesn't change the simple fact that all the changes they are making are cosmetic.
It's one thing to say you'd still fap to her because you can't see any evidence that she is a man simply from pictures, and it is much easier to pretend she is not. However, to say you'd still bang her once you're staring at his junk is another thing altogether. The first one makes you normal, the latter makes you pretty gay.
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