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Nightmarjoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3360 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-20 09:29:56
August 20 2009 08:06 GMT
#1
Source: http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/news?slug=ap-worlds-gendertest&prov=ap&type=lgns
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BERLIN (AP)—Facing questions about her gender, South African teenager Caster Semenya easily won the 800-meter gold medal Wednesday at the world championships.

Her dominating run came on the same day track and field’s ruling body said she was undergoing a gender test because of concerns she does not meet requirements to compete as a woman.


Semenya took the lead at the halfway mark and opened a commanding lead in the last 400 meters to win by a massive 2.45 seconds in a world-leading 1 minute, 55.45 seconds. Defending champion Janeth Jepkosgei was second and Jennifer Meadows of Britain was third in 1:57.93.

After crossing the line, Semenya dusted her shoulders with her hands. Semenya did not speak to reporters after the race or attend a news conference.

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About three weeks ago, the international federation asked South African track and field authorities to conduct the verification test. Semenya had burst onto the scene by posting a world-leading time of 1:56.72 at the African junior championships in Maruitius.

Her dramatic improvement in times, muscular build and deep voice sparked speculation about her gender. Ideally, any dispute surrounding an athlete is dealt with before a major competition. But Semenya’s stunning rise from unknown teenage runner to the favorite in the 800 happened almost overnight. That meant the gender test—which takes several weeks—could not be completed in time.

Before the race, IAAF spokesman Nick Davies stressed this is a “medical issue, not an issue of cheating.” He said the “extremely complex” testing has begun. The process requires a physical medical evaluation and includes reports from a gynecologist, endocrinologist, psychologist, internal medicine specialist and gender expert.

South Africa team manager Phiwe Mlangeni-Tsholetsane would not confirm or deny that Semenya was having such a test.

“We entered Caster as a woman and we want to keep it that way,” Mlangeni-Tsholetsane said. “Our conscience is clear in terms of Caster. We have no reservations at all about that.”

Although medals will be awarded for the 800, the race remains under a cloud until the investigation is closed, and Semenya could be stripped of the gold depending on the test results, IAAF general secretary Pierre Weiss said.

“But today there is no proof and the benefit of doubt must always be in favor of the athlete,” Weiss said.

Semenya’s rivals said they tried not to dwell on the issue before the race.

“I’ve heard a lot of speculation, but all I could do was just keep a level head and go about my business,” Meadows said. “If none of it’s true, I feel very sorry for her.”

One thing not in doubt was Semenya’s outstanding run.

“Nobody else in the world can do that sort of time at the moment,” Meadows said. “She obviously took the race by storm.”


Another (better) article: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/20/sports/20runner.html?_r=2&ref=sports
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BERLIN — On the blue track at the Olympic Stadium, all three medalists celebrated after the women’s 800 meters at the world track and field championships. But when it came time for the postrace news conference, the gold medalist, Caster Semenya, was nowhere to be seen. She had been replaced on the rostrum by Pierre Weiss, the general secretary of the International Association of Athletics Federations, the sport’s governing body.

Caster Semenya at the finish.
Earlier in the day, I.A.A.F. officials had confirmed that Semenya, a muscular 18-year-old from South Africa competing in her first senior championship, was undergoing sex-determination testing to confirm her eligibility to race as a woman.

According to Weiss, track and field officials had not had time to resolve the issue before this meet because Semenya had emerged at the world-class level only in the past month. Weiss said that I.A.A.F. officials and South African track and field officials had agreed that it would be too much to ask of an inexperienced teenager to field questions about the gender issue from the news media.

But Weiss stressed that the testing had been initiated because of “ambiguity, not because we believe she is cheating.”

It was an unprecedented scene at a major sports event, one that eclipsed the night’s other finals, including Yusuf Saad Kamel’s victory for Bahrain in the men’s 1,500 meters with Bernard Lagat of the United States taking the bronze medal.

But despite the controversy, Semenya had no apparent difficulty handling the pressure of her first major final. She broke free of her much more experienced competitors on the final lap and won by the huge margin of more than two seconds, finishing in 1 minute 55.45 seconds. (That was still more than two seconds slower than the world record.)

The silver medal went to Janeth Jepkosgei, the defending world champion from Kenya, who finished well back in 1:57.90. The bronze went to Jennifer Meadows of Britain in 1:57.93.

Weiss said that the medal ceremony for the 800 would take place as scheduled on Thursday evening in the stadium but that if the investigation proves Semenya is not a woman, she would be stripped of the gold and the other medalists elevated. The investigation could take weeks, he said.

“But today there is no proof and the benefit of the doubt must always be in favor of the athlete,” he said. “Which is why we had no reason, nothing in our hands, to forbid the athlete to compete today.”

Not all of the finalists agreed. “These kind of people should not run with us,” Elisa Cusma of Italy, who finished sixth, said in a postrace interview with Italian journalists. “For me, she’s not a woman. She’s a man.”

Mariya Savinova, a Russian who finished fifth, told Russian journalists that she did not believe Semenya would be able to pass a test. “Just look at her,” Savinova said.

But sex-determination testing is a complex process that has often not been handled effectively by sports organizations.

“It turns out genes, hormones and genitals are pretty complicated,” Alice Dreger, a professor of medical humanities and bioethics at Northwestern University, said in a telephone interview. “There isn’t really one simple way to sort out males and females. Sports require that we do, but biology doesn’t care. Biology does not fit neatly into simple categories, so they do these tests. And part of the reason I’ve criticized the tests is that a lot of times, the officials don’t say specifically how they’re testing and why they’re using that test. It should be subject to scientific review.”

Sex-determination testing was once obligatory for female athletes at the Olympics because of persistent allegations that some competitors were not really women. Sanctions are very rare. One case came at the 2006 Asian Games, where a middle-distance runner, Santhi Soundarajan of India, was stripped of a silver medal after failing a verification test.

The sex-determination testing was phased out in 1999 because of concerns about inequities. The testing is now reserved for specific cases in Olympic sports.

Nick Davies, a spokesman for the I.A.A.F., said that Semenya, who is listed at 5 feet 7 and 140 pounds in her I.A.A.F. biography, first came to his organization’s attention this year by slicing more than seven seconds off her best time of 2008 in the 800.

That is a huge drop in a relatively short race, but after running 2:04.23 and winning the 2008 Commonwealth Youth Games, she ran 2:00.58 in a local South African meet on March 9 and burst to prominence by winning the African Junior Championships on July 31 in Bambous, Mauritius, in 1:56.72. That was the fastest time of the year, senior level included.

Davies said that potential doping was the first concern when a dramatic drop in time occurs, but in Semenya’s case, he said the I.A.A.F. had moved on to examining other possibilities.

“We just acted in a way we thought was sensible,” Davies said. “If we would have sat back and done nothing, it would have been very strange of us as well.”

He said the I.A.A.F. had decided to confirm the existence of the investigation only when asked about it in Berlin by reporters. “The choice is that you lie, which we don’t like to do,” said Davies, acknowledging that it was unfortunate that Semenya’s privacy had been violated.

Weiss said there had not been enough time to reach a conclusion. “She was unknown three weeks ago,” he told reporters. “Nobody could anticipate this one. Sorry. We are fast, but we are not a lion.”

He said the I.A.A.F. would have “preferred not to have the controversy” at its marquee event, but not at the price of depriving a potentially eligible athlete like Semenya from competing.

“If none of it’s true, I feel very sorry for her,” said Meadows, the British athlete who sat next to Weiss during the medalists’ news conference.

Weiss said that the two-pronged investigation was being conducted in South Africa and in Berlin in hospitals that specialize in sex-testing issues. He said that Dr. Harold Adams, a South African on the I.A.A.F. medical commission, was helping to coordinate the work in South Africa.

Davies emphasized that the testing is extensive, beginning with a visual evaluation by a physician. “There is chromosome testing, gynecological investigation, all manner of things, organs, X-rays, scans,” he said. “It’s very, very comprehensive.”

Dreger, the Northwestern professor, said the doctors could examine genes, gonads, genitalia, hormone levels and medical history.

“But at the end of the day, they are going to have to make a social decision on what counts as male and female, and they will wrap it up as if it is simply a scientific decision,” Dreger said. “And the science actually tells us sex is messy. Or as I like to say, ‘Humans like categories neat, but nature is a slob.’ ”



Um what? tl;dr this South African teenager won some amazing record and has to have [her] gender "verified". Nothing in the article says anything about her being a hermaphrodite, so I'm confused.

Maybe this could lead to a new pickup line though: "excuse me miss, I'm from the IAAF Internet and I need to perform a gender test on you..."
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mahnini
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States6862 Posts
August 20 2009 08:09 GMT
#2
this situation seems fairly familiar. didn't something happen like this before at the olympics or something?
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CaucasianAsian
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Korea (South)11580 Posts
August 20 2009 08:13 GMT
#3
thats what i was thinking.
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paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13196 Posts
August 20 2009 08:14 GMT
#4
"That meant the gender test—which takes several weeks—could not be completed in time."

i'll do it... in 2 seconds kekeke
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benjammin
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States2728 Posts
August 20 2009 08:14 GMT
#5
yes, the '66 olympics had soviet union men posing as women to win more medals than the US, it's certainly not unprecedented but not common

hope she is really a she!
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Fontong
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States6454 Posts
August 20 2009 08:15 GMT
#6
Ditto with the first two comments.

There was something about really high performing women actually being "male," but with some sort of disorder that makes them look superficially like women (eg penis is ingrown and looks like a vagina, feminine breasts, ect). Don't remember all the details so I don't want to get into it any further.

If someone else could elaborate that would be great.
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Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17257 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-20 08:18:12
August 20 2009 08:17 GMT
#7
On August 20 2009 17:09 mahnini wrote:
this situation seems fairly familiar. didn't something happen like this before at the olympics or something?


Yeah, there was some "girl" (from Africa or India if I remember correctly) who estabilished a new WR or something like that and then had all the credit taken away since according to the doctors she "didn't resemble female both physically and hormone-wise".

I guess that's all because of steroid abuse in some countries. You know, men grow boobs and lose their sexual powers and women grow hair on their chests etc.

Like this old joke about the German female swimmer speaking to her coach (in a deep bass voice ofc):
"Hey coach, I have a problem..."
"What is it?"
"I've got hair growing..."
"Where? On your chest?!"
"No, on my balls!"
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Severedevil
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4838 Posts
August 20 2009 08:17 GMT
#8
I assume they're suspicious she's XXY?

I searched images for Caster Semenya... she looks exactly like a man.
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Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada239 Posts
August 20 2009 08:17 GMT
#9
On August 20 2009 17:14 benjammin wrote:
yes, the '66 olympics had soviet union men posing as women to win more medals than the US, it's certainly not unprecedented but not common

hope she is really a she!


i dont... it would be way funnier if (s)he isn't
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18918 Posts
August 20 2009 08:22 GMT
#10
On August 20 2009 17:06 Nightmarjoo wrote:
Her dominating run came on the same day track and field’s ruling body said she was undergoing a gender test because of concerns she does not meet requirements to compete as a woman.

:O.
The way they pose that is absolutely hilarious.
As if you have to run an obstacle course to verify your womanness.
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Aegraen
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States1225 Posts
August 20 2009 08:29 GMT
#11
On August 20 2009 17:14 paper wrote:
"That meant the gender test—which takes several weeks—could not be completed in time."

i'll do it... in 2 seconds kekeke


I bet you would. Here you go, have at him..I mean her...him?



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Foucault
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Sweden2826 Posts
August 20 2009 08:36 GMT
#12
I don't understand how hard it is to verify? Maybe the individual has gone through a gender change or whatever but how in the flying fuck would you not be able to know a persons gender otherwise
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NonFactor
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden698 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-20 08:38:33
August 20 2009 08:37 GMT
#13
This has happened before. In case you didn't know, back in the day people were forced to drop their pants infront of some officials to confirm their gender. These days if suspected, they just do a test.

Jusciax
Profile Joined August 2007
Lithuania588 Posts
August 20 2009 08:44 GMT
#14
Clearly a dude
Conquest101
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1395 Posts
August 20 2009 08:47 GMT
#15
That picture SCREEAAAAMMSSS dude. What the hell?

JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-20 08:51:19
August 20 2009 08:50 GMT
#16
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LOL investigate this shit plz
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underscore
Profile Joined August 2009
252 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-20 08:57:31
August 20 2009 08:56 GMT
#17
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/20/sports/20runner.html?_r=1&ref=sports

That's a better article which eplains why it's so hard to determine whether it's a man or woman.
JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
August 20 2009 09:01 GMT
#18
anyone remember that roid controversy in the female swimming ages ago?

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btw thats a woman on the right lol
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Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-20 09:12:11
August 20 2009 09:06 GMT
#19
On August 20 2009 17:09 mahnini wrote:
this situation seems fairly familiar. didn't something happen like this before at the olympics or something?
Hmm, I didn't follow the Olympics much, the only thing I remember is the controversy around whether China forged some of their gymnasts' papers because of being too young to be eligible.


On August 20 2009 17:56 underscore wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/20/sports/20runner.html?_r=1&ref=sports

That's a better article which eplains why it's so hard to determine whether it's a man or woman.

Yeah, that article is much better
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Finland474 Posts
August 20 2009 09:21 GMT
#20
“We entered Caster as a woman and we want to keep it that way,” Mlangeni-Tsholetsane said.


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