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holy crap she definetly looks like a man. seriously. no sign of breast in the chest area. arms so manly-built that even female bodybuilders wish they could have. waist area could not possible be more squared. ab muscles look unsual on her. and her thies are not thick-er like women's. if you just compared her to any of the other runners in that video...
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On August 20 2009 17:09 mahnini wrote:
this situation seems fairly familiar. didn't something happen like this before at the olympics or something?
yes 2 Russians where dominating in womens sports, next year they required gender tests and they went POOOFFFF
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South Africa4316 Posts
On August 20 2009 21:39 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2009 21:10 Daigomi wrote:
Regarding the 8 second drop in time, she is described as a teenager in the article, so I don't think it is that unbelievable that she could improve as drastically over two years. It's obviously worth investigating, but physical development during that time could also explain the change. Usain Bolt was in a similar situation. In 2006, his personal record for the 100m was 10.03, and 3 years later he's improved on that by .5 of a second, an amazing improvement for that race. Her drop was 8 seconds in a years time. When you're around that 2:00 mark, that's pretty big and unusual. .5 seconds over 3 years in the 100M is great, but plausible. Honestly, I don't know what it is here - we'll have to see. I won't be shocked if she is a he though.
Well, she was running at 2:04, a very average time, which she them improved to 1:56, a very competitive time. It's not like she went from 2:00 to 1:52. And as I said, the 2:04 time was set up when she was still running in the world youth championships, so it's not unbelievable that she still developed physically after that. Also if you look at it, she actually won the youth championships with her time of 2:04, which means she was a top junior athlete at that time already, so I don't find it completely unreasonable to believe that she could have improved from a top junior athlete into a strong senior athlete within a year.
Bolt's time might be less if you do a direct conversion, but I think that the amount of change is similar. Bolt went from an average sprinter in 2006, to the fastest man ever in 2009. I mean, the difference between 10 seconds and 9.5 seconds in the 100m is huge. Also Jibba, I think Bolt's run was done without doping. He's been tested tons of times, he's said that he is willing to be tested whenever, and more importantly, if you look at his body and his technique, it is very believable that he could run the times he does. His stride is huge in comparison with the other runners, and yet he is almost perfectly agile and in control. Also, if you doubt his new record, you have to doubt his old record as well, as with his old record he was well on his way to setting up a similar time, until he decided to jog the last bit.
Back to Semenya though, I'm not saying that she shouldn't be investigated for doping and what not, simply that it is conceivable than an improvement like that would occur naturally.
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On August 20 2009 22:01 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2009 20:49 Manit0u wrote:On August 20 2009 19:24 Daigomi wrote:I don't know about this one. Obviously I hope she's properly female, but I don't think it would be too bad if she turned out to be physically female, but due to some chromosone disorder she's actually male or something. As long as the South African government didn't fuck up and do something stupid again, I'd be happy. From the photos, she looks very masculine, but in the race itself she doesn't look masculine to me. In all honesty though, it looks more like the rest of the runners sucked than that she was amazing. I mean, the time was still 2 seconds off of the WR, and she just picked up a bit of speed at the end and nobody else could sprint to the finishing line. What I do find rather shitty though is some of the other contestants' responses to the situation: Not all of the finalists agreed. “These kind of people should not run with us,” Elisa Cusma of Italy, who finished sixth, said in a postrace interview with Italian journalists. “For me, she’s not a woman. She’s a man.” and Mariya Savinova, a Russian who finished fifth, told Russian journalists that she did not believe Semenya would be able to pass a test. “Just look at her,” Savinova said. I mean seriously, have a little respect for a fellow competitor before you make judgements, regardless of how they look. All in all, I just hope SA doesn't get another embarassment  The other contestants' responses are really crappy. But I don't know how can you say that there's nothing wrong with her, it's top of the world that compete there, yet she comes way ahead. Sure, things like that do happen, but have you read the entire article you're quoting? Semenya had over 7 second drop in the times she runs 800m (which isn't a very long distance) during a year, that's pretty huge. I don't know if she's a male or not, I'm more concerned that they fed her with steroids and that's why she won. I hope that they're going to clear her and it'll be just that she's in her golden age now, a new talent blahblahblah and she won fair and square. This isn't being framed as a steroid story and considering this is track and field, it probably was steroid induced. Does anyone really believe Bolt's new record is clean? If so, I've got Luis Gonzales' 57th homerun ball to sell you.
Sure, sit back in your armchair and libel someone based on the evidence that...oh right--you have no evidence. Way to go, Jibba. (obviously libel is not really an issue here because nobody cares about your opinion, but even so...not cool.)
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This reminds me of futurama, when bender becomes a woman to get gold medals at bending ;P
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Uh, her name obviously gives it away.
Semen? Ya.
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United States22883 Posts
On August 20 2009 22:49 qrs wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2009 22:01 Jibba wrote:On August 20 2009 20:49 Manit0u wrote:On August 20 2009 19:24 Daigomi wrote:I don't know about this one. Obviously I hope she's properly female, but I don't think it would be too bad if she turned out to be physically female, but due to some chromosone disorder she's actually male or something. As long as the South African government didn't fuck up and do something stupid again, I'd be happy. From the photos, she looks very masculine, but in the race itself she doesn't look masculine to me. In all honesty though, it looks more like the rest of the runners sucked than that she was amazing. I mean, the time was still 2 seconds off of the WR, and she just picked up a bit of speed at the end and nobody else could sprint to the finishing line. What I do find rather shitty though is some of the other contestants' responses to the situation: Not all of the finalists agreed. “These kind of people should not run with us,” Elisa Cusma of Italy, who finished sixth, said in a postrace interview with Italian journalists. “For me, she’s not a woman. She’s a man.” and Mariya Savinova, a Russian who finished fifth, told Russian journalists that she did not believe Semenya would be able to pass a test. “Just look at her,” Savinova said. I mean seriously, have a little respect for a fellow competitor before you make judgements, regardless of how they look. All in all, I just hope SA doesn't get another embarassment The other contestants' responses are really crappy. But I don't know how can you say that there's nothing wrong with her, it's top of the world that compete there, yet she comes way ahead. Sure, things like that do happen, but have you read the entire article you're quoting? Semenya had over 7 second drop in the times she runs 800m (which isn't a very long distance) during a year, that's pretty huge. I don't know if she's a male or not, I'm more concerned that they fed her with steroids and that's why she won. I hope that they're going to clear her and it'll be just that she's in her golden age now, a new talent blahblahblah and she won fair and square. This isn't being framed as a steroid story and considering this is track and field, it probably was steroid induced. Does anyone really believe Bolt's new record is clean? If so, I've got Luis Gonzales' 57th homerun ball to sell you. Sure, sit back in your armchair and libel someone based on the evidence that...oh right--you have no evidence. Way to go, Jibba. (obviously libel is not really an issue here because nobody cares about your opinion, but even so...not cool.)
T&F is as dirty as baseball has ever been and they have no problem turning a blind eye to it for the same reasons MLB did. Bolt made a similar ridiculous improvement in his time from 2007 to 2008 and he also comes from a program with poor testing and other steroid implicated athletes. The real issue is that none of these substances should be banned, but to pretend his performance isn't suspicious is ludicrous.
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Hey if she does get disqualified Jennifer Meadows gets a silver instead of a bronze, so I'm happy either way.
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According to Olympic rules, anyone not *PURELY* female just compete in the men's groups.
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On August 20 2009 23:50 Braintricks wrote:
Uh, her name obviously gives it away.
Semen? Ya.
win
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On August 20 2009 23:58 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2009 22:49 qrs wrote:On August 20 2009 22:01 Jibba wrote:On August 20 2009 20:49 Manit0u wrote:On August 20 2009 19:24 Daigomi wrote:I don't know about this one. Obviously I hope she's properly female, but I don't think it would be too bad if she turned out to be physically female, but due to some chromosone disorder she's actually male or something. As long as the South African government didn't fuck up and do something stupid again, I'd be happy. From the photos, she looks very masculine, but in the race itself she doesn't look masculine to me. In all honesty though, it looks more like the rest of the runners sucked than that she was amazing. I mean, the time was still 2 seconds off of the WR, and she just picked up a bit of speed at the end and nobody else could sprint to the finishing line. What I do find rather shitty though is some of the other contestants' responses to the situation: Not all of the finalists agreed. “These kind of people should not run with us,” Elisa Cusma of Italy, who finished sixth, said in a postrace interview with Italian journalists. “For me, she’s not a woman. She’s a man.” and Mariya Savinova, a Russian who finished fifth, told Russian journalists that she did not believe Semenya would be able to pass a test. “Just look at her,” Savinova said. I mean seriously, have a little respect for a fellow competitor before you make judgements, regardless of how they look. All in all, I just hope SA doesn't get another embarassment The other contestants' responses are really crappy. But I don't know how can you say that there's nothing wrong with her, it's top of the world that compete there, yet she comes way ahead. Sure, things like that do happen, but have you read the entire article you're quoting? Semenya had over 7 second drop in the times she runs 800m (which isn't a very long distance) during a year, that's pretty huge. I don't know if she's a male or not, I'm more concerned that they fed her with steroids and that's why she won. I hope that they're going to clear her and it'll be just that she's in her golden age now, a new talent blahblahblah and she won fair and square. This isn't being framed as a steroid story and considering this is track and field, it probably was steroid induced. Does anyone really believe Bolt's new record is clean? If so, I've got Luis Gonzales' 57th homerun ball to sell you. Sure, sit back in your armchair and libel someone based on the evidence that...oh right--you have no evidence. Way to go, Jibba. (obviously libel is not really an issue here because nobody cares about your opinion, but even so...not cool.) T&F is as dirty as baseball has ever been and they have no problem turning a blind eye to it for the same reasons MLB did. Bolt made a similar ridiculous improvement in his time from 2007 to 2008 and he also comes from a program with poor testing and other steroid implicated athletes. The real issue is that none of these substances should be banned, but to pretend his performance isn't suspicious is ludicrous.
I'm not sure about which substances you're talking but steroids/... should be banned. I want to see the best athlete, not the most chemically enhanced.
I don't know if Bolt is cheating but I think no more than the other 7 guys in the final.
Btw: Semenya won easily but it's ridiculous that that would be suspicious. Isinbayeva always wins the pole vault(not this time). Vlasic was also utterly dominant in the high jump. I'm not saying she shouldn't be investigated but "look at her" or "she won too easily" are dumb arguments.
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Poll: Would you hit that?
(Vote): yes
(Vote): no
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Just to clear up some stuff mentioned here.
It's now well accepted (in academic circles) gender and sex, which by the way are different things, are far more fluid than male/female. Intersex is the term preferred over hermaphrodite, because it's more accurate, and chromosome disorders are not the only way in which they come about. Other genetic differences, partial chromosomal disorders, and the prenatal environment are also important. Point being, sports rely on a rigid male-female divide which doesn't exist. Hence the numerous tests needed.
As for whether or not she's outstanding...For anybody who follows any sort of distance sport, you know WR or even times in general are a lousy way to judge performance by. Sandbagging was mentioned previously. Distance sports are far more strategic than sprints (or more specifically time trials), mainly because you move faster in a pack due to wind drafting, and you can't rely on a straight-up times to judge a competitor.
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Wow seriosly that looks like a dude .... how did even come to this first he/she gets gold medal then they ask questions.
I wonder if they would make such a drama if he/she didnt get any medal ...
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there are a lot of black women who look like men
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On August 21 2009 01:10 ShAsTa wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2009 23:58 Jibba wrote:On August 20 2009 22:49 qrs wrote:On August 20 2009 22:01 Jibba wrote:On August 20 2009 20:49 Manit0u wrote:On August 20 2009 19:24 Daigomi wrote:I don't know about this one. Obviously I hope she's properly female, but I don't think it would be too bad if she turned out to be physically female, but due to some chromosone disorder she's actually male or something. As long as the South African government didn't fuck up and do something stupid again, I'd be happy. From the photos, she looks very masculine, but in the race itself she doesn't look masculine to me. In all honesty though, it looks more like the rest of the runners sucked than that she was amazing. I mean, the time was still 2 seconds off of the WR, and she just picked up a bit of speed at the end and nobody else could sprint to the finishing line. What I do find rather shitty though is some of the other contestants' responses to the situation: Not all of the finalists agreed. “These kind of people should not run with us,” Elisa Cusma of Italy, who finished sixth, said in a postrace interview with Italian journalists. “For me, she’s not a woman. She’s a man.” and Mariya Savinova, a Russian who finished fifth, told Russian journalists that she did not believe Semenya would be able to pass a test. “Just look at her,” Savinova said. I mean seriously, have a little respect for a fellow competitor before you make judgements, regardless of how they look. All in all, I just hope SA doesn't get another embarassment The other contestants' responses are really crappy. But I don't know how can you say that there's nothing wrong with her, it's top of the world that compete there, yet she comes way ahead. Sure, things like that do happen, but have you read the entire article you're quoting? Semenya had over 7 second drop in the times she runs 800m (which isn't a very long distance) during a year, that's pretty huge. I don't know if she's a male or not, I'm more concerned that they fed her with steroids and that's why she won. I hope that they're going to clear her and it'll be just that she's in her golden age now, a new talent blahblahblah and she won fair and square. This isn't being framed as a steroid story and considering this is track and field, it probably was steroid induced. Does anyone really believe Bolt's new record is clean? If so, I've got Luis Gonzales' 57th homerun ball to sell you. Sure, sit back in your armchair and libel someone based on the evidence that...oh right--you have no evidence. Way to go, Jibba. (obviously libel is not really an issue here because nobody cares about your opinion, but even so...not cool.) T&F is as dirty as baseball has ever been and they have no problem turning a blind eye to it for the same reasons MLB did. Bolt made a similar ridiculous improvement in his time from 2007 to 2008 and he also comes from a program with poor testing and other steroid implicated athletes. The real issue is that none of these substances should be banned, but to pretend his performance isn't suspicious is ludicrous. I'm not sure about which substances you're talking but steroids/... should be banned. I want to see the best athlete, not the most chemically enhanced. I don't know if Bolt is cheating but I think no more than the other 7 guys in the final. Btw: Semenya won easily but it's ridiculous that that would be suspicious. Isinbayeva always wins the pole vault(not this time). Vlasic was also utterly dominant in the high jump. I'm not saying the shouldn't be investigated but "look at her" or "she won too easily" are dumb arguments.
I want to see the most chemically enhanced.
Also, its pretty funny to see other female runners, who sacrifice nearly all their "obvious" femininity to become T&F athletes, saying things like "Just look at her." Particularly, when I wouldn't be able to differentiate most female T&F athletes from crack addicts in a line up.
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United States22883 Posts
On August 21 2009 04:17 keV. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2009 01:10 ShAsTa wrote:On August 20 2009 23:58 Jibba wrote:On August 20 2009 22:49 qrs wrote:On August 20 2009 22:01 Jibba wrote:On August 20 2009 20:49 Manit0u wrote:On August 20 2009 19:24 Daigomi wrote:I don't know about this one. Obviously I hope she's properly female, but I don't think it would be too bad if she turned out to be physically female, but due to some chromosone disorder she's actually male or something. As long as the South African government didn't fuck up and do something stupid again, I'd be happy. From the photos, she looks very masculine, but in the race itself she doesn't look masculine to me. In all honesty though, it looks more like the rest of the runners sucked than that she was amazing. I mean, the time was still 2 seconds off of the WR, and she just picked up a bit of speed at the end and nobody else could sprint to the finishing line. What I do find rather shitty though is some of the other contestants' responses to the situation: Not all of the finalists agreed. “These kind of people should not run with us,” Elisa Cusma of Italy, who finished sixth, said in a postrace interview with Italian journalists. “For me, she’s not a woman. She’s a man.” and Mariya Savinova, a Russian who finished fifth, told Russian journalists that she did not believe Semenya would be able to pass a test. “Just look at her,” Savinova said. I mean seriously, have a little respect for a fellow competitor before you make judgements, regardless of how they look. All in all, I just hope SA doesn't get another embarassment The other contestants' responses are really crappy. But I don't know how can you say that there's nothing wrong with her, it's top of the world that compete there, yet she comes way ahead. Sure, things like that do happen, but have you read the entire article you're quoting? Semenya had over 7 second drop in the times she runs 800m (which isn't a very long distance) during a year, that's pretty huge. I don't know if she's a male or not, I'm more concerned that they fed her with steroids and that's why she won. I hope that they're going to clear her and it'll be just that she's in her golden age now, a new talent blahblahblah and she won fair and square. This isn't being framed as a steroid story and considering this is track and field, it probably was steroid induced. Does anyone really believe Bolt's new record is clean? If so, I've got Luis Gonzales' 57th homerun ball to sell you. Sure, sit back in your armchair and libel someone based on the evidence that...oh right--you have no evidence. Way to go, Jibba. (obviously libel is not really an issue here because nobody cares about your opinion, but even so...not cool.) T&F is as dirty as baseball has ever been and they have no problem turning a blind eye to it for the same reasons MLB did. Bolt made a similar ridiculous improvement in his time from 2007 to 2008 and he also comes from a program with poor testing and other steroid implicated athletes. The real issue is that none of these substances should be banned, but to pretend his performance isn't suspicious is ludicrous. I'm not sure about which substances you're talking but steroids/... should be banned. I want to see the best athlete, not the most chemically enhanced. I don't know if Bolt is cheating but I think no more than the other 7 guys in the final. Btw: Semenya won easily but it's ridiculous that that would be suspicious. Isinbayeva always wins the pole vault(not this time). Vlasic was also utterly dominant in the high jump. I'm not saying the shouldn't be investigated but "look at her" or "she won too easily" are dumb arguments. I want to see the most chemically enhanced. Also, its pretty funny to see other female runners, who sacrifice nearly all their "obvious" femininity to become T&F athletes, saying things like "Just look at her." Particularly, when I wouldn't be able to differentiate most female T&F athletes from crack addicts in a line up. Exactly. If she had long hair, she wouldn't look much different than most other female runners.
And why are chemical enhancements (even though corticosteroids get abused like crazy except no one mentions that) off limits but other types aren't? I'm not sure how HGH is fundamentally more "unnatural" (doesn't mean anything) or immoral than sleeping in a hyperbaric chamber.
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yeah well ... to be perfectly honest she or he .... i dont know , IT looks like a man . i think that they should definetly check on this
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that's the ugliest woman i've seen. I've seen men who look prettier :|
but i hope that she's a she, i would hate to se a cheater
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