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Nightmarjoo
United States3360 Posts
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deL
Australia5540 Posts
Can we also get one for Lomo while we're at it? | ||
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udgnim
United States8024 Posts
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Daigomi
South Africa4316 Posts
From the photos, she looks very masculine, but in the race itself she doesn't look masculine to me. In all honesty though, it looks more like the rest of the runners sucked than that she was amazing. I mean, the time was still 2 seconds off of the WR, and she just picked up a bit of speed at the end and nobody else could sprint to the finishing line. What I do find rather shitty though is some of the other contestants' responses to the situation: Not all of the finalists agreed. “These kind of people should not run with us,” Elisa Cusma of Italy, who finished sixth, said in a postrace interview with Italian journalists. “For me, she’s not a woman. She’s a man.” and Mariya Savinova, a Russian who finished fifth, told Russian journalists that she did not believe Semenya would be able to pass a test. “Just look at her,” Savinova said. I mean seriously, have a little respect for a fellow competitor before you make judgements, regardless of how they look. All in all, I just hope SA doesn't get another embarassment  | ||
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ToT)OjKa(
Korea (South)2437 Posts
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
I think it's pretty clear from the photos that she does have a genetic anomaly of some kind. Gender isn't clear-cut so there's always going to be problems when you have categories that aren't easily definable. I doubt she is cheating on purpose and regardless of what the authorities decide she'll still be a "she". | ||
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whatusername
Canada1181 Posts
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Alizee-
United States845 Posts
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niteReloaded
Croatia5282 Posts
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Manit0u
Poland17863 Posts
On August 20 2009 19:24 Daigomi wrote: I don't know about this one. Obviously I hope she's properly female, but I don't think it would be too bad if she turned out to be physically female, but due to some chromosone disorder she's actually male or something. As long as the South African government didn't fuck up and do something stupid again, I'd be happy. From the photos, she looks very masculine, but in the race itself she doesn't look masculine to me. In all honesty though, it looks more like the rest of the runners sucked than that she was amazing. I mean, the time was still 2 seconds off of the WR, and she just picked up a bit of speed at the end and nobody else could sprint to the finishing line. What I do find rather shitty though is some of the other contestants' responses to the situation: and I mean seriously, have a little respect for a fellow competitor before you make judgements, regardless of how they look. All in all, I just hope SA doesn't get another embarassment The other contestants' responses are really crappy. But I don't know how can you say that there's nothing wrong with her, it's top of the world that compete there, yet she comes way ahead. Sure, things like that do happen, but have you read the entire article you're quoting? Semenya had over 7 second drop in the times she runs 800m (which isn't a very long distance) during a year, that's pretty huge. I don't know if she's a male or not, I'm more concerned that they fed her with steroids and that's why she won. I hope that they're going to clear her and it'll be just that she's in her golden age now, a new talent blahblahblah and she won fair and square. | ||
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ghostWriter
United States3302 Posts
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Daigomi
South Africa4316 Posts
On August 20 2009 20:49 Manit0u wrote: The other contestants' responses are really crappy. But I don't know how can you say that there's nothing wrong with her, it's top of the world that compete there, yet she comes way ahead. Sure, things like that do happen, but have you read the entire article you're quoting? Semenya had over 7 second drop in the times she runs 800m (which isn't a very long distance) during a year, that's pretty huge. I don't know if she's a male or not, I'm more concerned that they fed her with steroids and that's why she won. I hope that they're going to clear her and it'll be just that she's in her golden age now, a new talent blahblahblah and she won fair and square. Well, she didn't beat the world record, and the other contestants, even if they are the best in the world, didn't have a very good run. If you look at the race carefully, Semenya basically stays with the pack for 600m's, and then accelerates a bit. She doesn't even accelerate drastically, she just ups her pace a notch. The rest of the pack then fail to increase in pace at all, and generally tend to slow down. The fact that Semenya didn't get close to a world record with that run, and still managed to have as big an advantage over the others, makes me think that the others had a bad run, rather than hers being amazing (it was very good though). But yes, steroids are obviously a threat as well. I'd tend to think that it isn't steroids, as South African athletes have not been involved in many doping scandals that I am aware of. There isn't the same kind of pressure on South African athletes that there are on athletes from, say, the US or Australia, and most athletes don't have the finances to dope before they turn professional, so you don't need to dope to be recognized. There is always the possibly that she did, however. Regarding the 8 second drop in time, she is described as a teenager in the article, so I don't think it is that unbelievable that she could improve as drastically over two years. It's obviously worth investigating, but physical development during that time could also explain the change. Usain Bolt was in a similar situation. In 2006, his personal record for the 100m was 10.03, and 3 years later he's improved on that by .5 of a second, an amazing improvement for that race. | ||
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Duke
United States1106 Posts
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Navane
Netherlands2763 Posts
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Daigomi
South Africa4316 Posts
On August 20 2009 21:21 Navane wrote: I think people from poorer countries tend to take steroids or anything of that kind even more; they have nothing to loose. And that husain bolt guy, it won't suprise me at all if he used doping anyway. They've got a few weeks of money for food to lose... I don't think you get what "poorer" countries really means. It means that you have a family of five to take care of with maybe $300 a month. These people don't have the money, or the connections, to buy proper drugs, so even if they could dope, they'd be picked up on in the first test. In anyway, historically, first world countries have had way more doping problems that other countries. | ||
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vx70GTOJudgexv
United States3161 Posts
On August 20 2009 21:10 Daigomi wrote: Well, she didn't beat the world record, and the other contestants, even if they are the best in the world, didn't have a very good run. If you look at the race carefully, Semenya basically stays with the pack for 600m's, and then accelerates a bit. She doesn't even accelerate drastically, she just ups her pace a notch. The rest of the pack then fail to increase in pace at all, and generally tend to slow down. The fact that Semenya didn't get close to a world record with that run, and still managed to have as big an advantage over the others, makes me think that the others had a bad run, rather than hers being amazing (it was very good though). It's called sandbagging, could've easily been done to "blend in" to the race rather than just go off and shave even more time. On August 20 2009 21:10 Daigomi wrote: Regarding the 8 second drop in time, she is described as a teenager in the article, so I don't think it is that unbelievable that she could improve as drastically over two years. It's obviously worth investigating, but physical development during that time could also explain the change. Usain Bolt was in a similar situation. In 2006, his personal record for the 100m was 10.03, and 3 years later he's improved on that by .5 of a second, an amazing improvement for that race. Her drop was 8 seconds in a years time. When you're around that 2:00 mark, that's pretty big and unusual. .5 seconds over 3 years in the 100M is great, but plausible. Honestly, I don't know what it is here - we'll have to see. I won't be shocked if she is a he though. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On August 20 2009 19:24 Daigomi wrote: But Obama got elected. Discrimination is dead!I don't know about this one. Obviously I hope she's properly female, but I don't think it would be too bad if she turned out to be physically female, but due to some chromosone disorder she's actually male or something. As long as the South African government didn't fuck up and do something stupid again, I'd be happy. From the photos, she looks very masculine, but in the race itself she doesn't look masculine to me. In all honesty though, it looks more like the rest of the runners sucked than that she was amazing. I mean, the time was still 2 seconds off of the WR, and she just picked up a bit of speed at the end and nobody else could sprint to the finishing line. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JESUFemaos What I do find rather shitty though is some of the other contestants' responses to the situation: and I mean seriously, have a little respect for a fellow competitor before you make judgements, regardless of how they look. All in all, I just hope SA doesn't get another embarassment | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On August 20 2009 20:49 Manit0u wrote: This isn't being framed as a steroid story and considering this is track and field, it probably was steroid induced. Does anyone really believe Bolt's new record is clean? If so, I've got Luis Gonzales' 57th homerun ball to sell you.The other contestants' responses are really crappy. But I don't know how can you say that there's nothing wrong with her, it's top of the world that compete there, yet she comes way ahead. Sure, things like that do happen, but have you read the entire article you're quoting? Semenya had over 7 second drop in the times she runs 800m (which isn't a very long distance) during a year, that's pretty huge. I don't know if she's a male or not, I'm more concerned that they fed her with steroids and that's why she won. I hope that they're going to clear her and it'll be just that she's in her golden age now, a new talent blahblahblah and she won fair and square. This is being framed as something totally different, and the scrutiny/ridicule she's facing is pretty unfair. | ||
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Eatme
Switzerland3919 Posts
Dont remember all the facts about the story. | ||
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Canada4732 Posts
Why are sports separated by gender anyway? Because in the majority of them, women would never even qualify. You can look at the differences in world records for most events to see the discrepancy. | ||
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