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On August 31 2010 22:52 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Reasonable shit>Fucked up shit
anyways even if things don't work out, what are the chances that we won't get a:
1) GOMTV MSL
2) GOMTV Pro-league
If a deal isn't struck between KeSPA and Gretech/Blizz? 100% that neither of those will happen. All the progaming teams operate under KeSPA, and there is 0% of Gretech trying to re-make a BW scene with completely new sponsors.
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On August 31 2010 22:47 hns wrote:
I don't get why everybody sees Blizzard/Gretech as the bad guys here.
Apparently OGN was able to negotiate/talk to Gretech in a suitable way and got it's contract. Gretech even offered the same conditions to MBC as they have with OGN. The situation was clear since Blizzard put Gretech in place and it's MBCs very own fault if they aren't able to adapt to a new situation.
Blizzard owns the copyrights and now that Kespa et al failed to recognize these for SC2, they were left with Gretech. If they are too stubborn to see that Blizzard has more pull in the long run, it's really their own fault. OGN managed to bite the bullet, MBC/Kespa didn't and apparently don't.
I can't see the main fault on Blizzard's side here. You can't really blame them to get their copyright stuff right for SC2 and they really don't have to swallow everything. They gave MBC/Kespa a lot of possibilities to handle the new situation and apparently these two are still too stubborn. So blame them, not Blizzard alone. I do recognize that Blizzard probably could have been a little more tolerant (well they left the running leagues alone) but I'm still on their side here.
OGN has a lot of reasons to negotiate and make it work properly (Korean Air Sponsor, Shanghai Finals). No matter how "unreasonable" demands they were, there's much stronger incentive for OGN to make it work properly.
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On August 31 2010 22:47 hns wrote:
I don't get why everybody sees Blizzard/Gretech as the bad guys here.
Apparently OGN was able to negotiate/talk to Gretech in a suitable way and got it's contract. Gretech even offered the same conditions to MBC as they have with OGN. The situation was clear since Blizzard put Gretech in place and it's MBCs very own fault if they aren't able to adapt to a new situation.
Blizzard owns the copyrights and now that Kespa et al failed to recognize these for SC2, they were left with Gretech. If they are too stubborn to see that Blizzard has more pull in the long run, it's really their own fault. OGN managed to bite the bullet, MBC/Kespa didn't and apparently don't.
I can't see the main fault on Blizzard's side here. You can't really blame them to get their copyright stuff right for SC2 and they really don't have to swallow everything. They gave MBC/Kespa a lot of possibilities to handle the new situation and apparently these two are still too stubborn. So blame them, not Blizzard alone. I do recognize that Blizzard probably could have been a little more tolerant (well they left the running leagues alone) but I'm still on their side here.
Many people here would say that MBC/OGN have made Blizzard a huge favor by keeping the game in the spotlight for all this years...
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Thanks for giving me a reason to not buy SC2 expansions or D3, Blizzard.
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On August 31 2010 23:00 moopie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2010 22:52 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Reasonable shit>Fucked up shit
anyways even if things don't work out, what are the chances that we won't get a:
1) GOMTV MSL
2) GOMTV Pro-league If a deal isn't struck between KeSPA and Gretech/Blizz? 100% that neither of those will happen. All the progaming teams operate under KeSPA, and there is 0% of Gretech trying to re-make a BW scene with completely new sponsors.
KeSPA like 'they' say are a group created by the progamers for the progamers,they wouldn't play if there isn't any money around,so they would have to play for gretech if they want to continue playing.
I know its harsh but I hope this isn't the case and it doesn't effect everyone too much.
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On August 31 2010 23:07 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2010 23:00 moopie wrote:On August 31 2010 22:52 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Reasonable shit>Fucked up shit
anyways even if things don't work out, what are the chances that we won't get a:
1) GOMTV MSL
2) GOMTV Pro-league If a deal isn't struck between KeSPA and Gretech/Blizz? 100% that neither of those will happen. All the progaming teams operate under KeSPA, and there is 0% of Gretech trying to re-make a BW scene with completely new sponsors. KeSPA like 'they' say are a group created by the progamers for the progamers,they wouldn't play if there isn't any money around,so they would have to play for gretech if they want to continue playing. I know its harsh but I hope this isn't the case and it doesn't effect everyone too much.
KeSPA actually represent the team sponsors, not the players. And they can go to court with Blizzard, like they have before, and continue to operate in the meanwhile. A lawsuit can drag out for over a year, and should the verdict be negative, there could be other avenues to pursue.
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This is just sad. 
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if bw dies.... what would i come to tl for :\
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On August 31 2010 20:20 corumjhaelen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2010 20:16 Holgerius wrote:
Goddamnit Blizzard, I'm gonna boycott your stuff from now on. >:[ This. And I won't log into SC2 ever again if things stay that way (I played with some friends cause they did not wan't to play broodwar... I'm sad.).
Oh you "boycotters".
MW2 Boycott:
![[image loading]](http://www.modernwarfail2.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/boycott-fail.jpg)
90% people are in MW2. LOL
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On August 31 2010 20:06 darmousseh wrote:
sc1 makes blizzard almost no money at this point. The only thing blizzard needed sc1 for was to get a league underway in korea, and that is called gsl. Now that gsl is up and running (and very popular to say the least) blizzard has 0 incentive to keep sc1 going unless they do some crazy sc2 promotion. Plus blizzard wants pros to transfer to sc2 to get the scene really going. I think blizzard negoatiates for a single tournament like osl, but requires that sc2 be advertised during the broadcast. the meeting will go something like this "is it worth it to continue to promote sc1? if so what are the projected advertising revenue from it? What could we gain if msl and osl just stopped? They will make a comparison and decide in a business like fashion.
But nobody want to play sc2 expect some who can see the emperor's new clothes.
And for sc1, just like the Korean popular song says, "I want nobody nobody nobody nobody but you!"
So, now that sc1 would not die, it must prosper greatly in the future!
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On August 31 2010 23:21 DarkspearTribe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2010 20:20 corumjhaelen wrote:On August 31 2010 20:16 Holgerius wrote:
Goddamnit Blizzard, I'm gonna boycott your stuff from now on. >:[ This. And I won't log into SC2 ever again if things stay that way (I played with some friends cause they did not wan't to play broodwar... I'm sad.). Oh you "boycotters". MW2 Boycott: 90% people are in MW2. LOL
Well, I for one didn't even buy sc2. 
I thought about it. Now, all my considerations are aboard.
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Thanks. Let me translate these.
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I hate Kespa and MBC for not negotiating. Don't blame Blizzard for wanting more money out of their game(I assume that's what the contract is about.) I really hope the OSL continues on at least, as BW is more fun to watch. But if I can only watch pro SC2....then...I'm sad now.
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On August 31 2010 23:21 DarkspearTribe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2010 20:20 corumjhaelen wrote:On August 31 2010 20:16 Holgerius wrote:
Goddamnit Blizzard, I'm gonna boycott your stuff from now on. >:[ This. And I won't log into SC2 ever again if things stay that way (I played with some friends cause they did not wan't to play broodwar... I'm sad.). Oh you "boycotters". MW2 Boycott: 90% people are in MW2. LOL
its funny how people boycott .. but then again its the only way to protest .. some are actually doing it so i dont see the point of your post if 10% are still gonna boycott it ..
On August 31 2010 23:27 TheAngelofDeath wrote:I hate Kespa and MBC for not negotiating. Don't blame Blizzard for wanting more money out of their game(I assume that's what the contract is about.) I really hope the OSL continues on at least, as BW is more fun to watch. But if I can only watch pro SC2....then...I'm sad now.
do you even realize what would have happen to your SC2, if SC1 wasn't this big?? they should be thanking Korean corporations for giving them free advertisement ..
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On August 31 2010 23:14 alffla wrote:.. if bw dies.... what would i come to tl for :\
To make Mspaint stuff ! 
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On August 31 2010 23:27 TheAngelofDeath wrote:
I hate Kespa and MBC for not negotiating. Don't blame Blizzard for wanting more money out of their game(I assume that's what the contract is about.)
You, sir, are a total idiot.
User was warned for this post
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On August 31 2010 23:21 DarkspearTribe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2010 20:20 corumjhaelen wrote:On August 31 2010 20:16 Holgerius wrote:
Goddamnit Blizzard, I'm gonna boycott your stuff from now on. >:[ This. And I won't log into SC2 ever again if things stay that way (I played with some friends cause they did not wan't to play broodwar... I'm sad.). Oh you "boycotters". MW2 Boycott: 90% people are in MW2. LOL
Are you trying to compare MW2 community that wants dedicated server to SC foreign community (the guys that get up at 5 am to watch games) that just got fucked in the ass?
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