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[Update p.28] Gretech - KeSPA/MBC negotiations break down…

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aimaimaim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines2167 Posts
August 31 2010 13:26 GMT
#61
On August 31 2010 22:22 StRyKeR wrote:
I hope MBC takes this to court, cuz this is bs. Developers shouldn't have this much power over a game, especially 10 years after its prime time. Don't copyright laws stop applying after a set number of years?


75 years iirc ..
Religion is a dying idea .. || 'E-sport' outside Korea are nerds who wants to feel like rockstars. || I'm not gonna fuck with trolls on General Forum ever again .. FUCK!
thopol
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Japan4560 Posts
August 31 2010 13:27 GMT
#62
Oh god no. God fucking no.
If broodwar dies... I mean, I knew it would happen but I didn't expect it to come like this.

Doesn't this force KeSpa and the broadcasters to the bargaining table? I mean, it's like play their game or die isn't it?

Also, don't aren't Gretech and OGN both owned by CJ media? Can't they get talks going?

Fuck fuck fuck, a million fuck.
okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5778 Posts
August 31 2010 13:28 GMT
#63
On August 31 2010 22:22 StRyKeR wrote:
Don't copyright laws stop applying after a set number of years?

Yeah, Starcraft will pass into the public domain in 2093.

Unless copyright lengths continue to get extended 20 years every 20 years as they have up until now.
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
hitthat
Profile Joined January 2010
Poland2267 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-31 13:30:51
August 31 2010 13:29 GMT
#64
Can we safely say, that SC is dead now?
Fuck that, Activision Loozzard wants to kill the greatest children of Blizzard. It's really time to siege our tanks off and steamroll natural of those greedy mofo's. No more money for Activision. Ever!
AAAND, can you Oz and KT fans struggle somewhere else? This is much more than just JD and Flash , as we wont see more BW awsomeness anymore
Shameless BroodWar separatistic, elitist, fanaticaly devoted puritan fanboy.
d_so
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)3262 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-31 13:33:22
August 31 2010 13:30 GMT
#65
On August 31 2010 22:19 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2010 22:15 d_so wrote:
On August 31 2010 22:13 ghrur wrote:
On August 31 2010 22:09 FearDarkness wrote:
On August 31 2010 22:05 MangoTango wrote:
NOOOO please don't end the MSL!?! How will Jaedong and Flash continue their one-sided rivalry?


fixed


One sided? It was 2-3 in the last finals, with them going 1-2 for MSL finals. What're you talking about?


we're talking about flash turning one of the most decorated starcraft players ever into a modern day Yellow. ouch.

8 gold 3 silver


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well that's why i call him the one of the most decorated starcraft players ever.

don't you guys realize that, as a flash fan, i want jaedong to do well? Same with bisu and stork, and fantasy and leta to a certain extent. It's no fun being the fan of a favorite with no competition. So I'm not making statements like this because it's my desired objective, I say it because I'm afraid that's what the future holds: Flash and JD meeting at rigged (I'm referring to the Kespa ranking/seeding) MSL finals, again and again, each time JD losing and having even more of his confidence crushed. Even when he won he couldn't have the full glory becaues everyone kept talking about the heater incident. I've been watching Jaedong lose to Flash now for the past 9 months (starting from Christmas OSLs --> now) and it's sad to see the Tyrant get shoved around like this. And I'm afraid it'll only get worse... which is not only just bad for Jaedong, but it's bad for Starcraft too.


edit: spoilered cuz i fear i'll derail this therad
manner
alypse
Profile Joined May 2010
2771 Posts
August 31 2010 13:32 GMT
#66
First Infinity Ward, then Korean pro scene, and us BW fans.

Activision Blizzard has turned into the biggest douchebag in the video game industry.


KT Violet 1988 - 2012
Cofo
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1388 Posts
August 31 2010 13:34 GMT
#67
Wow, this is bullshit.

As much as I want SC2 to succeed as an e-sport, killing off BW is NOT the way to do it.
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LastActionHero
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany29 Posts
August 31 2010 13:35 GMT
#68
Im going to cheese in every fucking game of SC2 if I can't watch broodwar anymore and I hope others will follow. Let's rain on their parade!
K.I.Z - best rap music of all time!
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
August 31 2010 13:37 GMT
#69
On August 31 2010 21:41 d_so wrote:
personally i don't think blizzard wants bw to die. First of all, if all the korean pros immediately jumped on board to sc2 i think a lot of people would feel discouraged of ever becoming competitive at this game. i also think it would create another tier to the many voices they have to listen to in regards to balance, which would create an even greater chasm separating the opposite ends of the talent spectrum and make it even more difficult to balance. And finally, I think Blizzard kinda recognizes the benefits of being the creators of the game behind the most successful and longest running professional video game organization in the world.

After all, it's not like Blizzard/Gretech broke off communications. It's just MBC being cheap as usual, always claiming to be so poor, so poor etc. even though they never seem to die according to their prognostications. I think MBC just wants a cheaper price.

I love playing Devil's Advocate.

Still, I would be sad if SC1 scene is severally hurt due to the power struggle between two organizations.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-31 13:45:04
August 31 2010 13:40 GMT
#70
On August 31 2010 22:32 alypse wrote:
First Infinity Ward, then Korean pro scene, and us BW fans.

Activision Blizzard has turned into the biggest douchebag in the video game industry.




Blizzard employees are POWs,Activison is the enemy.

I still wouldn't worry too much.also I think MBC is being unfair because apparently OGN was made the same offer. I think they will cave now and bring up this issue a couple of seasons later.

Still I think this is completely fucked up bullshit.

EDIT:also this stupid complaining about sc2.Don't hate the game,hate the boss of its makers.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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aimaimaim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines2167 Posts
August 31 2010 13:40 GMT
#71
On August 31 2010 22:35 LastActionHero wrote:
Im going to cheese in every fucking game of SC2 if I can't watch broodwar anymore and I hope others will follow. Let's rain on their parade!


its already happening .. lol
Religion is a dying idea .. || 'E-sport' outside Korea are nerds who wants to feel like rockstars. || I'm not gonna fuck with trolls on General Forum ever again .. FUCK!
swanized
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada2480 Posts
August 31 2010 13:43 GMT
#72
On August 31 2010 22:40 aimaimaim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2010 22:35 LastActionHero wrote:
Im going to cheese in every fucking game of SC2 if I can't watch broodwar anymore and I hope others will follow. Let's rain on their parade!


its already happening .. lol


lol...I think just not playing is a better idea :p
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moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
August 31 2010 13:45 GMT
#73
On August 31 2010 22:29 hitthat wrote:
Can we safely say, that SC is dead now?

No, we can't. Even if no deal is made, its entirely possible KeSPA plans to go to court (again), which for one drags on for a long while (during which they will carry on), and the results could go either way in the korean courts.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
hns
Profile Joined January 2010
Germany609 Posts
August 31 2010 13:47 GMT
#74
I don't get why everybody sees Blizzard/Gretech as the bad guys here.

Apparently OGN was able to negotiate/talk to Gretech in a suitable way and got it's contract. Gretech even offered the same conditions to MBC as they have with OGN. The situation was clear since Blizzard put Gretech in place and it's MBCs very own fault if they aren't able to adapt to a new situation.
Blizzard owns the copyrights and now that Kespa et al failed to recognize these for SC2, they were left with Gretech. If they are too stubborn to see that Blizzard has more pull in the long run, it's really their own fault. OGN managed to bite the bullet, MBC/Kespa didn't and apparently don't.

I can't see the main fault on Blizzard's side here. You can't really blame them to get their copyright stuff right for SC2 and they really don't have to swallow everything. They gave MBC/Kespa a lot of possibilities to handle the new situation and apparently these two are still too stubborn. So blame them, not Blizzard alone. I do recognize that Blizzard probably could have been a little more tolerant (well they left the running leagues alone) but I'm still on their side here.
ZerO, Action, Neo.G_Soulkey & FlaSh fanboy~~
Tuke
Profile Joined January 2009
Finland1666 Posts
August 31 2010 13:47 GMT
#75
I'm scared
TeamLiquid CJ Entusman #42
swanized
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada2480 Posts
August 31 2010 13:48 GMT
#76
On August 31 2010 22:47 hns wrote:
I don't get why everybody sees Blizzard/Gretech as the bad guys here.

Apparently OGN was able to negotiate/talk to Gretech in a suitable way and got it's contract. Gretech even offered the same conditions to MBC as they have with OGN. The situation was clear since Blizzard put Gretech in place and it's MBCs very own fault if they aren't able to adapt to a new situation.
Blizzard owns the copyrights and now that Kespa et al failed to recognize these for SC2, they were left with Gretech. If they are too stubborn to see that Blizzard has more pull in the long run, it's really their own fault. OGN managed to bite the bullet, MBC/Kespa didn't and apparently don't.

I can't see the main fault on Blizzard's side here. You can't really blame them to get their copyright stuff right for SC2 and they really don't have to swallow everything. They gave MBC/Kespa a lot of possibilities to handle the new situation and apparently these two are still too stubborn. So blame them, not Blizzard alone. I do recognize that Blizzard probably could have been a little more tolerant (well they left the running leagues alone) but I'm still on their side here.


no matter how reasonable the shit you give to your fanbase is,


it's still shit
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OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
August 31 2010 13:52 GMT
#77
This is sad news =(
[TLMS] REBOOT
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
August 31 2010 13:52 GMT
#78
Reasonable shit>Fucked up shit

anyways even if things don't work out, what are the chances that we won't get a:

1) GOMTV MSL
2) GOMTV Pro-league
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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Gregsen
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Germany667 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-31 14:00:35
August 31 2010 13:58 GMT
#79
On August 31 2010 22:47 hns wrote:
I don't get why everybody sees Blizzard/Gretech as the bad guys here.

Apparently OGN was able to negotiate/talk to Gretech in a suitable way and got it's contract. Gretech even offered the same conditions to MBC as they have with OGN. The situation was clear since Blizzard put Gretech in place and it's MBCs very own fault if they aren't able to adapt to a new situation.
Blizzard owns the copyrights and now that Kespa et al failed to recognize these for SC2, they were left with Gretech. If they are too stubborn to see that Blizzard has more pull in the long run, it's really their own fault. OGN managed to bite the bullet, MBC/Kespa didn't and apparently don't.

I can't see the main fault on Blizzard's side here. You can't really blame them to get their copyright stuff right for SC2 and they really don't have to swallow everything. They gave MBC/Kespa a lot of possibilities to handle the new situation and apparently these two are still too stubborn. So blame them, not Blizzard alone. I do recognize that Blizzard probably could have been a little more tolerant (well they left the running leagues alone) but I'm still on their side here.



ffs you do know that OGN only got the contract because they agreed to put the new OSL under SC2's helm?? Blizz is forcing their new shit into a scene that has been around for 10 years, a scene that made bw to what it is today while blizz didn't care at all about things like property rights. Now, after a full decade, they say "hey, those guys are using our game to make money!" like it would be breaking news. This is not about MBC or kespa being stubborn. This is about Activision Blizzard acting like total dickheads.
Boycott Activision whenever, wherever you can.
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
August 31 2010 14:00 GMT
#80
On August 31 2010 20:16 Holgerius wrote:
Goddamnit Blizzard, I'm gonna boycott your stuff from now on. >:[

This is they fucking prevent us PL / MSL.

Fuck this contract greed shit... why would you meddle with something which allready profited you? Blizzard couldve hosted tournaments for sponsorships and COOPERATE, accept the ROYALTIES which KeSPA OFFERED.

Fucking bullshit if sc bw is killed just after i get soo into it.

BS blizzard, BS.
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