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aimaimaim
Philippines2167 Posts
On August 31 2010 22:22 StRyKeR wrote: I hope MBC takes this to court, cuz this is bs. Developers shouldn't have this much power over a game, especially 10 years after its prime time. Don't copyright laws stop applying after a set number of years? 75 years iirc .. | ||
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thopol
Japan4560 Posts
If broodwar dies... I mean, I knew it would happen but I didn't expect it to come like this. Doesn't this force KeSpa and the broadcasters to the bargaining table? I mean, it's like play their game or die isn't it? Also, don't aren't Gretech and OGN both owned by CJ media? Can't they get talks going? Fuck fuck fuck, a million fuck. | ||
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okum
France5779 Posts
On August 31 2010 22:22 StRyKeR wrote: Don't copyright laws stop applying after a set number of years? Yeah, Starcraft will pass into the public domain in 2093. Unless copyright lengths continue to get extended 20 years every 20 years as they have up until now. | ||
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hitthat
Poland2349 Posts
Fuck that, Activision Loozzard wants to kill the greatest children of Blizzard. It's really time to siege our tanks off and steamroll natural of those greedy mofo's. No more money for Activision. Ever! AAAND, can you Oz and KT fans struggle somewhere else? This is much more than just JD and Flash , as we wont see more BW awsomeness anymore  | ||
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + well that's why i call him the one of the most decorated starcraft players ever. don't you guys realize that, as a flash fan, i want jaedong to do well? Same with bisu and stork, and fantasy and leta to a certain extent. It's no fun being the fan of a favorite with no competition. So I'm not making statements like this because it's my desired objective, I say it because I'm afraid that's what the future holds: Flash and JD meeting at rigged (I'm referring to the Kespa ranking/seeding) MSL finals, again and again, each time JD losing and having even more of his confidence crushed. Even when he won he couldn't have the full glory becaues everyone kept talking about the heater incident. I've been watching Jaedong lose to Flash now for the past 9 months (starting from Christmas OSLs --> now) and it's sad to see the Tyrant get shoved around like this. And I'm afraid it'll only get worse... which is not only just bad for Jaedong, but it's bad for Starcraft too. edit: spoilered cuz i fear i'll derail this therad | ||
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alypse
2784 Posts
Activision Blizzard has turned into the biggest douchebag in the video game industry. | ||
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Cofo
United States1388 Posts
As much as I want SC2 to succeed as an e-sport, killing off BW is NOT the way to do it. | ||
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LastActionHero
Germany29 Posts
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Hesmyrr
Canada5776 Posts
On August 31 2010 21:41 d_so wrote: personally i don't think blizzard wants bw to die. First of all, if all the korean pros immediately jumped on board to sc2 i think a lot of people would feel discouraged of ever becoming competitive at this game. i also think it would create another tier to the many voices they have to listen to in regards to balance, which would create an even greater chasm separating the opposite ends of the talent spectrum and make it even more difficult to balance. And finally, I think Blizzard kinda recognizes the benefits of being the creators of the game behind the most successful and longest running professional video game organization in the world. After all, it's not like Blizzard/Gretech broke off communications. It's just MBC being cheap as usual, always claiming to be so poor, so poor etc. even though they never seem to die according to their prognostications. I think MBC just wants a cheaper price. I love playing Devil's Advocate. Still, I would be sad if SC1 scene is severally hurt due to the power struggle between two organizations. | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51630 Posts
On August 31 2010 22:32 alypse wrote: First Infinity Ward, then Korean pro scene, and us BW fans. Activision Blizzard has turned into the biggest douchebag in the video game industry. Blizzard employees are POWs,Activison is the enemy. I still wouldn't worry too much.also I think MBC is being unfair because apparently OGN was made the same offer. I think they will cave now and bring up this issue a couple of seasons later. Still I think this is completely fucked up bullshit. EDIT:also this stupid complaining about sc2.Don't hate the game,hate the boss of its makers. | ||
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aimaimaim
Philippines2167 Posts
On August 31 2010 22:35 LastActionHero wrote: Im going to cheese in every fucking game of SC2 if I can't watch broodwar anymore and I hope others will follow. Let's rain on their parade! its already happening .. lol | ||
swanized
Canada2480 Posts
lol...I think just not playing is a better idea :p | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
On August 31 2010 22:29 hitthat wrote: Can we safely say, that SC is dead now? No, we can't. Even if no deal is made, its entirely possible KeSPA plans to go to court (again), which for one drags on for a long while (during which they will carry on), and the results could go either way in the korean courts. | ||
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hns
Germany609 Posts
Apparently OGN was able to negotiate/talk to Gretech in a suitable way and got it's contract. Gretech even offered the same conditions to MBC as they have with OGN. The situation was clear since Blizzard put Gretech in place and it's MBCs very own fault if they aren't able to adapt to a new situation. Blizzard owns the copyrights and now that Kespa et al failed to recognize these for SC2, they were left with Gretech. If they are too stubborn to see that Blizzard has more pull in the long run, it's really their own fault. OGN managed to bite the bullet, MBC/Kespa didn't and apparently don't. I can't see the main fault on Blizzard's side here. You can't really blame them to get their copyright stuff right for SC2 and they really don't have to swallow everything. They gave MBC/Kespa a lot of possibilities to handle the new situation and apparently these two are still too stubborn. So blame them, not Blizzard alone. I do recognize that Blizzard probably could have been a little more tolerant (well they left the running leagues alone) but I'm still on their side here. | ||
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Tuke
Finland1666 Posts
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swanized
Canada2480 Posts
On August 31 2010 22:47 hns wrote: I don't get why everybody sees Blizzard/Gretech as the bad guys here. Apparently OGN was able to negotiate/talk to Gretech in a suitable way and got it's contract. Gretech even offered the same conditions to MBC as they have with OGN. The situation was clear since Blizzard put Gretech in place and it's MBCs very own fault if they aren't able to adapt to a new situation. Blizzard owns the copyrights and now that Kespa et al failed to recognize these for SC2, they were left with Gretech. If they are too stubborn to see that Blizzard has more pull in the long run, it's really their own fault. OGN managed to bite the bullet, MBC/Kespa didn't and apparently don't. I can't see the main fault on Blizzard's side here. You can't really blame them to get their copyright stuff right for SC2 and they really don't have to swallow everything. They gave MBC/Kespa a lot of possibilities to handle the new situation and apparently these two are still too stubborn. So blame them, not Blizzard alone. I do recognize that Blizzard probably could have been a little more tolerant (well they left the running leagues alone) but I'm still on their side here. no matter how reasonable the shit you give to your fanbase is, it's still shit | ||
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OpticalShot
Canada6330 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51630 Posts
anyways even if things don't work out, what are the chances that we won't get a: 1) GOMTV MSL 2) GOMTV Pro-league | ||
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Gregsen
Germany667 Posts
On August 31 2010 22:47 hns wrote: I don't get why everybody sees Blizzard/Gretech as the bad guys here. Apparently OGN was able to negotiate/talk to Gretech in a suitable way and got it's contract. Gretech even offered the same conditions to MBC as they have with OGN. The situation was clear since Blizzard put Gretech in place and it's MBCs very own fault if they aren't able to adapt to a new situation. Blizzard owns the copyrights and now that Kespa et al failed to recognize these for SC2, they were left with Gretech. If they are too stubborn to see that Blizzard has more pull in the long run, it's really their own fault. OGN managed to bite the bullet, MBC/Kespa didn't and apparently don't. I can't see the main fault on Blizzard's side here. You can't really blame them to get their copyright stuff right for SC2 and they really don't have to swallow everything. They gave MBC/Kespa a lot of possibilities to handle the new situation and apparently these two are still too stubborn. So blame them, not Blizzard alone. I do recognize that Blizzard probably could have been a little more tolerant (well they left the running leagues alone) but I'm still on their side here. ffs you do know that OGN only got the contract because they agreed to put the new OSL under SC2's helm?? Blizz is forcing their new shit into a scene that has been around for 10 years, a scene that made bw to what it is today while blizz didn't care at all about things like property rights. Now, after a full decade, they say "hey, those guys are using our game to make money!" like it would be breaking news. This is not about MBC or kespa being stubborn. This is about Activision Blizzard acting like total dickheads. | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
On August 31 2010 20:16 Holgerius wrote: Goddamnit Blizzard, I'm gonna boycott your stuff from now on. >:[ This is they fucking prevent us PL / MSL. Fuck this contract greed shit... why would you meddle with something which allready profited you? Blizzard couldve hosted tournaments for sponsorships and COOPERATE, accept the ROYALTIES which KeSPA OFFERED. Fucking bullshit if sc bw is killed just after i get soo into it. BS blizzard, BS. | ||
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