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[Update p.28] Gretech - KeSPA/MBC negotiations break down…

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Savant
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States379 Posts
August 31 2010 12:20 GMT
#41
Does Blizzard think they can take this doozy without the fans smelling their shit? Legal rights aside, if Blizzard cared about their fanbase they'd show some appreciation for the insane publicity and longevity the proscene gave to their game. 10 years after release, sc1 still draws crowds of hyped fans. Rather than present a better product for their consideration, Blizzard is simply going to pull the plug on bw by making sc1 leagues untenable. I might have learned to enjoy sc2, but now I'll never give my money to a company who treats its fanbase like dirt.
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
August 31 2010 12:22 GMT
#42
This is so bullshit. But I really don't see how blizzard can win in a korean court, this is so greedy.
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
stanley_
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States816 Posts
August 31 2010 12:22 GMT
#43
sigh i guess i won't be buying sc2 anytime soon. RAGE
hoorah
simme123
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Sweden810 Posts
August 31 2010 12:34 GMT
#44
I see both sides points but I think blizzard are just being unreasonable cause kespa has pretty much provided them with free advertisement and helped to hype the starcraft sequel and also keeping the game alive so I don't see why blizzard has to do this ...
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-31 12:36:26
August 31 2010 12:35 GMT
#45
On August 31 2010 21:20 PineappleLumpsToss wrote:
As others have pointed out, Blizzard hold all the Aces in this situation. If MBC don't want to play the game then things look very bleak.

They do for the short term definitely, its unknown if this matter will be beneficial to them in the long run if worse comes to worst. If BW dies, it potentially bodes well for SC2 (as stated earlier), though it depends on how netizens take the news and how much blame blame Blizzard takes for the whole debacle. I expect that the fall of KeSPA and death of BW by a foreign entity won't bode well with national pride and a decade of devotion to esports. Its largly because of the Korean esports scene that BW ever got that big (competitively), and in return the fact that SC2 is as popular as it is today.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
d_so
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)3262 Posts
August 31 2010 12:41 GMT
#46
personally i don't think blizzard wants bw to die. First of all, if all the korean pros immediately jumped on board to sc2 i think a lot of people would feel discouraged of ever becoming competitive at this game. i also think it would create another tier to the many voices they have to listen to in regards to balance, which would create an even greater chasm separating the opposite ends of the talent spectrum and make it even more difficult to balance. And finally, I think Blizzard kinda recognizes the benefits of being the creators of the game behind the most successful and longest running professional video game organization in the world.

After all, it's not like Blizzard/Gretech broke off communications. It's just MBC being cheap as usual, always claiming to be so poor, so poor etc. even though they never seem to die according to their prognostications. I think MBC just wants a cheaper price.
manner
wiesel
Profile Joined September 2008
Germany727 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-31 13:10:50
August 31 2010 12:50 GMT
#47
This isn't about Flash or any players. This is just that from a pure fiscal perspective, Blizzard has nothing to lose and everything to gain.

Well Blizzard has still an image to lose. But seems more and more that they don't care anymore and are now just another video game company. I also think Blizzard can pack their bags in korea when all Bw leagues die...would hurt them more than it would help( But yea they have Gretech now to do the dirty work for them). I would laugh if Gretech loses when it goes to court, but well court proceeding could take several months to years. FU!
MangoTango
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States3670 Posts
August 31 2010 13:05 GMT
#48
NOOOO please don't end the MSL!?! How will Jaedong and Flash continue their endless rivalry?
"One fish, two fish, red fish, BLUE TANK!" - Artosis
SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
August 31 2010 13:08 GMT
#49
Fuck off Blizzard.

"If i lost an arm, I would play w3." -IntoTheWow || "Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk cafe. He's the next Jaedong, baby!"
FearDarkness
Profile Joined February 2009
United States519 Posts
August 31 2010 13:09 GMT
#50
On August 31 2010 22:05 MangoTango wrote:
NOOOO please don't end the MSL!?! How will Jaedong and Flash continue their one-sided rivalry?


fixed
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SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
August 31 2010 13:12 GMT
#51
Fantasy still needs to break his curse so yeah...
"If i lost an arm, I would play w3." -IntoTheWow || "Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk cafe. He's the next Jaedong, baby!"
ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
August 31 2010 13:13 GMT
#52
On August 31 2010 22:09 FearDarkness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2010 22:05 MangoTango wrote:
NOOOO please don't end the MSL!?! How will Jaedong and Flash continue their one-sided rivalry?


fixed


One sided? It was 2-3 in the last finals, with them going 1-2 for MSL finals. What're you talking about?
darkness overpowering
d_so
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)3262 Posts
August 31 2010 13:15 GMT
#53
On August 31 2010 22:13 ghrur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2010 22:09 FearDarkness wrote:
On August 31 2010 22:05 MangoTango wrote:
NOOOO please don't end the MSL!?! How will Jaedong and Flash continue their one-sided rivalry?


fixed


One sided? It was 2-3 in the last finals, with them going 1-2 for MSL finals. What're you talking about?


we're talking about flash turning one of the most decorated starcraft players ever into a modern day Yellow. ouch.
manner
swanized
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada2480 Posts
August 31 2010 13:15 GMT
#54
On August 31 2010 20:22 aimaimaim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2010 20:20 Milkis wrote:
Which leads me to this question : OGN can keep broadcasting OSL, right ? And even PL if there is one.


No. OGN has to get a new contract for every OSL.


WTF


WTF



do you think MBCgame/OGN has a decent chance of success if this goes to court?
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
August 31 2010 13:19 GMT
#55
On August 31 2010 22:15 d_so wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2010 22:13 ghrur wrote:
On August 31 2010 22:09 FearDarkness wrote:
On August 31 2010 22:05 MangoTango wrote:
NOOOO please don't end the MSL!?! How will Jaedong and Flash continue their one-sided rivalry?


fixed


One sided? It was 2-3 in the last finals, with them going 1-2 for MSL finals. What're you talking about?


we're talking about flash turning one of the most decorated starcraft players ever into a modern day Yellow. ouch.

8 gold 3 silver
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aimaimaim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines2167 Posts
August 31 2010 13:19 GMT
#56
On August 31 2010 22:15 swanized wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2010 20:22 aimaimaim wrote:
On August 31 2010 20:20 Milkis wrote:
Which leads me to this question : OGN can keep broadcasting OSL, right ? And even PL if there is one.


No. OGN has to get a new contract for every OSL.


WTF


WTF



do you think MBCgame/OGN has a decent chance of success if this goes to court?


they have a chance .. decent .. maybe ..
Religion is a dying idea .. || 'E-sport' outside Korea are nerds who wants to feel like rockstars. || I'm not gonna fuck with trolls on General Forum ever again .. FUCK!
swanized
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada2480 Posts
August 31 2010 13:21 GMT
#57
On August 31 2010 22:15 d_so wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2010 22:13 ghrur wrote:
On August 31 2010 22:09 FearDarkness wrote:
On August 31 2010 22:05 MangoTango wrote:
NOOOO please don't end the MSL!?! How will Jaedong and Flash continue their one-sided rivalry?


fixed


One sided? It was 2-3 in the last finals, with them going 1-2 for MSL finals. What're you talking about?


we're talking about flash turning one of the most decorated starcraft players ever into a modern day Yellow. ouch.



KT Fanboys are so entertaining

(2-3 on a T favored map pool is not what I call a dominating performance)
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StRyKeR
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States1739 Posts
August 31 2010 13:22 GMT
#58
I hope MBC takes this to court, cuz this is bs. Developers shouldn't have this much power over a game, especially 10 years after its prime time. Don't copyright laws stop applying after a set number of years?
Ars longa, vita brevis, principia aeturna.
deafhobbit
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States828 Posts
August 31 2010 13:22 GMT
#59
Am i the only one hoping the Korean Dept of Culture, with all its talk a few months back about supporting e-sports, will come in and fix this?
I cheer for underdogs and Flash
swanized
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada2480 Posts
August 31 2010 13:24 GMT
#60
On August 31 2010 22:22 deafhobbit wrote:
Am i the only one hoping the Korean Dept of Culture, with all its talk a few months back about supporting e-sports, will come in and fix this?



If this happens it will be a HUGE turning point in E-sports history, freeing E-sports from the game producer is a mandatory step for it to continue it's growth
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