EPTApollo also says "on the back foot" like 15 times per match, got a little tedious. Aside from that i really enjoyed the commentary, just some little overused phrases stuck out to me.
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Speake
United States494 Posts
Apollo also says "on the back foot" like 15 times per match, got a little tedious. Aside from that i really enjoyed the commentary, just some little overused phrases stuck out to me. | ||
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UberThing
Great Britain410 Posts
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
On August 24 2010 03:33 Madkipz wrote: at what point did you ever stop to imagine esport and gaming to be an attractive medium towards the average teen and his mom? AT WHAT POINT did you ever think that people would view sc2 with the same eyes as baseball? soccer? american football? UFC? At what point did you ever think jocks and nerds would gather around grab a beer, watch the IEM championships together and then discuss the outcome? because at that point you fucking fooled yourself. Gaming and all other sports have its own language and its own culture. The day any sport tries to be something its not, is not only a sad day but also a day where it cuts away from its hardcore community. Sure you might gain, but the sacrifice is too costly. hmm, heres an example. Soccer for chicks. You dont watch it for the commentators or the strategical aspect of soccer, or because you enjoy soccer. heres another word for you: political correct, i dunno about you but the second someone mentions those two words i already hate the guy / girl. OP: I liked both casters, but i think their personalities are so similar that they clashed more often than not. They should discuss it with each others, give a sign for when you want the other to carry your momentum rather than stumble over each others over and over again. uh, what? i have no hope for esports to be as successful as any of those franchises, but any future growth of the industry is handcuffed by immaturity (given the clientele this might just be impossible). and your argument about about "be something its not" is just hopelessly naive--everyone sells out. trying to appease the hardcore community is wasted effort. if you can't see the difference between political correctness and being an asshole, i can't help you, but apollo needs to up his professionalism for sure. as someone else in the thread said, avoiding saying "rape" has no negative impact on anyone, only positive. the apologists who say it's part of "gaming culture" are out of their minds. | ||
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Ginchan
Belgium55 Posts
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Tuneful
United States327 Posts
On August 24 2010 07:29 alexanderzero wrote: It seemed like the energy kinda died down by the time the final match was played. Perhaps the casters were just tired after that big tournament but they seemed kind of hushed and unenthusiastic during the entire final series. Day was certainly (and audibly) losing his voice at that point. Casting for 5 days straight for that many hours isn't healthy for anyone. I couldn't tell whether Apollo was marking in a similar fashion. | ||
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Madkipz
Norway1643 Posts
On August 24 2010 08:42 benjammin wrote: uh, what? i have no hope for esports to be as successful as any of those franchises, but any future growth of the industry is handcuffed by immaturity (given the clientele this might just be impossible). and your argument about about "be something its not" is just hopelessly naive--everyone sells out. trying to appease the hardcore community is wasted effort. if you can't see the difference between political correctness and being an asshole, i can't help you, but apollo needs to up his professionalism for sure. as someone else in the thread said, avoiding saying "rape" has no negative impact on anyone, only positive. the apologists who say it's part of "gaming culture" are out of their minds. "Professionalism" = ???? Where exactly will you stop? family guy made fun of aids, why arent you protecting their rights? huh? or south park making fun of cancer? Why dont you go be an hero elsewhere. If you cant see the difference between commentating a match and actually offending people who have been raped then i dont want to help you understand it and if you have an eu account i will challenge you sir to a grudgematch. | ||
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
On August 24 2010 07:39 unSpeake wrote: I noticed day saying a lot of "does he have a _____ ........... no he doesn't" or "....yes he does". I'd rather he just say "____ player has/doesn't have a ____". Apollo also says "on the back foot" like 15 times per match, got a little tedious. Aside from that i really enjoyed the commentary, just some little overused phrases stuck out to me. I've been listening to Sean commentate since before his Day[9] daily, he has always been like this and has always done that exact thing... No point in pointing it out, that's how he commentates. | ||
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
On August 24 2010 08:59 Madkipz wrote: "Professionalism" = ???? Where exactly will you stop? family guy made fun of aids, why arent you protecting their rights? huh? or south park making fun of cancer? Why dont you go be an hero elsewhere. If you cant see the difference between commentating a match and actually offending people who have been raped then i dont want to help you understand it and if you have an eu account i will challenge you sir to a grudgematch. don't cherry pick irrelevant examples to try to prove your point. no one is arguing for complete consistency through all forms of media, all i'm arguing is that removing some potentially offensive language will add to the professionalism of the casters. why's that such a hard fact to accept? i'm not asking for every person on earth to stop using the word that way (hopeless), just casters--they represent ESL, they have different standards. | ||
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mOnion
United States5657 Posts
On August 24 2010 08:59 Madkipz wrote: "Professionalism" = ???? Where exactly will you stop? family guy made fun of aids, why arent you protecting their rights? huh? or south park making fun of cancer? Why dont you go be an hero elsewhere. If you cant see the difference between commentating a match and actually offending people who have been raped then i dont want to help you understand it and if you have an eu account i will challenge you sir to a grudgematch. dude why is it so hard for you to understand that saying "rape" is a bad thing? professionalism has an obvious meaning, and it includes using more appropriate diction, the same way football or baseball commentators do. | ||
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Madkipz
Norway1643 Posts
On August 24 2010 09:16 benjammin wrote: don't cherry pick irrelevant examples to try to prove your point. no one is arguing for complete consistency through all forms of media, all i'm arguing is that removing some potentially offensive language will add to the professionalism of the casters. why's that such a hard fact to accept? i'm not asking for every person on earth to stop using the word that way (hopeless), just casters--they represent ESL, they have different standards. dont cherry pick my sentences and leave out the grudgematch challenge or i win by default (dodger??). They dont represent the ESL as much as they represent themselves as respective shoutcasters and you are infact arguing for complete consistency trough all forms of shoutcasting and i dare speak against you because once you start removing aspects, it can potentially snowball. I will not have you neutering Apollo, he should be free to use whatever descriptive language he sees fit just as the ESL are free to choose who shoutcasts their next tournament. Hard to accept? why dont you go jump down a manhole as its name is changed to sewer entrance before you start arguing over what internet hired shoutcasters are and are not allowed to say. dude why is it so hard for you to understand that saying "rape" is a bad thing? professionalism has an obvious meaning, and it includes using more appropriate diction, the same way football or baseball commentators do. dude why is it so hard for you to understand that saying rape in the context of a players blatantly one sided victory is a good thing? + Show Spoiler + That is professionalism, a fake personality displayed at work. Professionalism is that happy happy joy joy smiley face that people often feel forced to maintain. No matter what is happening in your real life, you are to behave as if you are a perfectly happy robot at work. I hate professionalism. It alienates people from each other. It makes the world a colder uglier place. As a consumer, all things equal, I would give my business to someone who is authentically grumpy instead of someone who is pretending to be super nice. The Internet has made it possible for a lot of people who hate the fake professionalism of the real world to do freelance work from home. It is one of the very best things about being self-employed and working from home, you do not have to be fake and superficial anymore. The trend I am seeing as a result is that more and more authentic entrepreneurs are doing business with like-minded folks. The reason we love to frequent small Mom & Pop type stores is because we get to know the owners as real people and we like giving them our money for the same exact item that we could get up the street from a big fake cold-hearted business. This trend is rapidly spreading throughout the Internet. I am not telling you to burp and fart in front of your customers. You do not have to cry all day at work about how your favorite dog ran away. Do not tell everyone the ugly details of your ongoing divorce. Do not giggle about your new boyfriend on company time. You still have to conduct yourself with some class and manners. I am talking about that fake cheesy smile, eyes open unnaturally wide, and singsong voice that so many people hide behind. If you are truly secure in who you are, your ability to provide good customer service, a good work ethic, and quality business integrity, then why do you need to behave in a fake professional manner? People intuitively know when others are genuine or not. We like to do business with our friends whenever possible. If you spend the bulk of your waking hours each week at work behaving in a professional fake manner, then eventually you are going to get very good at faking it. The words we speak and the way we say them impacts us on a deeper level then we realize. What is that doing to the spirit of those who feel that they must be fake all of the time in order to be taken seriously by bosses, coworkers, and customers? It is part of what makes us feel so isolated and lonely. Because we are behaving in such a fake manner towards everyone else, it is understood that others are treating us in a fake manner. We do not feel like anyone really cares about us and the work that we do. | ||
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
On August 24 2010 09:24 mOnion wrote: dude why is it so hard for you to understand that saying "rape" is a bad thing? professionalism has an obvious meaning, and it includes using more appropriate diction, the same way football or baseball commentators do. why is it so hard for people to accept that language can evolve. I do think the word rape probably does carry around a negative connotation and what not, but things can become idiomatically relevant to the group that is using it, and even if you're getting all technical using it as a word for winning SC games by defeating your opponent is pretty accurate for part of the definition an act of plunder, violent seizure, or abuse; despoliation; violation totally violently seizing your opponents territory. People need to let get, i dont want gaming to be mainstream if it has to conform to something. Not even this example just the idea itself is not good | ||
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Alamire
Australia19 Posts
Day9: Personally, I could do without the 'Are there any <player> fans in the house?' cheerleading all the time. Still, well done to both of you. | ||
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
On August 24 2010 09:31 Divinek wrote: why is it so hard for people to accept that language can evolve. I do think the word rape probably does carry around a negative connotation and what not, but things can become idiomatically relevant to the group that is using it, and even if you're getting all technical using it as a word for winning SC games by defeating your opponent is pretty accurate for part of the definition an act of plunder, violent seizure, or abuse; despoliation; violation totally violently seizing your opponents territory. People need to let get, i dont want gaming to be mainstream if it has to conform to something. Not even this example just the idea itself is not good yes, that must be it, gaming culture is full of linguistic trailblazers seeking to reclaim the word rape from those pesky rape victims! also, the fourth definition of a word does not dispel it from the first, most common, and most offensive meaning. reality: a bunch of dumbass teenagers starting using rape to describe beating someone in a game, fully aware of its first definition, and enough repetition has made it seem not terrible grow up | ||
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Madkipz
Norway1643 Posts
The act of growing up has nothing with how you word yourself on an internet forum and you are insuating on a gameing forum that he is a child. As long as he is emotionally independant and capable of voicing his own oppinion, contributes to society and have a carreer path planned ahead of him or already has a job that doesnt involve shoveling shit then He is an adult and you just insulted him not his stance but the man directly. You are voicing for shoutcasters to be more "professional" in the line of shoutcasting, he is against. who took the most adult route in voicing their oppinion? Now that this is out of the way you can start to guess who needs to "grow up"??? oh, and do read my response a few posts up, check the edited in spoiler. Be the man and realise professionalism is bad and just a rehash of political correctness that affects sport shoutcasters in general. | ||
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Wargizmo
Australia1237 Posts
On August 24 2010 09:30 Madkipz wrote: <snip> You still have to conduct yourself with some class and manners. <snip> This is what people are talking about. Not using the word "rape" and "gay" is more about showing class and manners than it is about fake professionalism and cheesy smiles and gamer culture and whatever else was in your wall of text. | ||
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