EPTAlso just because we are talking about statistics or averages w/e. You have more chance of being killed by a comet in the street than you have of winning the lottery, but I bet more people win the lottery than gt killed by comets ;( .
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VdP]DreaM
720 Posts
Also just because we are talking about statistics or averages w/e. You have more chance of being killed by a comet in the street than you have of winning the lottery, but I bet more people win the lottery than gt killed by comets ;( . | ||
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Levu
Germany675 Posts
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Heen
Korea (South)2178 Posts
They come here with some non-sense pulled out of their ass and try to talk about God or Jesus as a matter of fact. Christians have less proof than atheists. In fact, I'd go as far as saying they have no proof that God magically created earth. Their bible often goes against them. But, 99.(9 repeated 300 times)% of Christians only take the bible's word for all their beliefs. Jesus did so many things that defied the laws of physics. He walked on water. He came back to life! (Those are the only 2 examples I can think of since I don't read the bible.) Their whole arguement is "if you can't prove us wrong, we're right," which is ridiculously retarded and just goes on to show how baseless their beliefs are. See, intelligent and logical people don't waste their times trying to prove there there are no invisible 100-ft-tall pink kangaroos jumping around in everyone's backyard. Even if someone does prove it, they will pull out their secret weapon: "Oh noez foolish one! Thy cannot prove miracles! You must believe!!! with your heart!!! yes, love! love all!" Well, no shit asshole. That's why you're idiots. I admit that your codes of how to live life lovingly and peacefully are good but trying to force a fake story down everyone's throat is getting fucking annoying. It's like listening to children who try to lecture me on how Santa exists and if I deny it, they cry and try to patronize me. Good Night. or do you want me to read you some more bed-time stories before you fall asleep? | ||
Liquid`Spy
Netherlands1301 Posts
On May 31 2004 07:22 VdP]DreaM wrote: No one can prove if god did or did not exist, so really its a pointless argument. Also just because we are talking about statistics or averages w/e. You have more chance of being killed by a comet in the street than you have of winning the lottery, but I bet more people win the lottery than gt killed by comets ;( . You don't have to prove something doesn't exist, and you should prove something does exist if you want others to value it. | ||
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VdP]DreaM
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ObsoleteLogic
United States3676 Posts
"Wisdom is knowing that you know nothing; foolishness is thinking that you know wisdom." So many people spouting so much crap with so little education. I'm not going to try to argue this, pretty much for the reasons Drone posted. Though I'd like to talk a bit more about religion with Klogon. Intelligent person with reasonable arguments! (: | ||
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DarkGhost]Coon[
United States1471 Posts
On May 30 2004 22:13 AeroGx wrote: the odds of Creation without a Creator* .... Not that low. Evolution and enviromental adaptation can lead to anything. Even the eye. Religion is based on faith. You people can whine all you want about "God did this..." or "...your going to hell" but keep it to yourselves. The only thing that bothers me about you religious idiots is how you need to harass an Athiest for not beliving in what you do. It's their choice to belive what they want. Jehova witness recuiters fuck off please. | ||
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Locke-BH
Brazil39 Posts
The "argument of the organized universe", regarding the original topic, is nearly the same; if we can't understand something, it's because "God made it too complex for us". If we can't do something, it's because "God doesn't want us to do". If we can't know something, it's because "God doesn't want us to know". These were statements said over and over again by religious authorities. "If God wanted Man to fly, he'd have given Man wings" was a common saying in the 19th century. If everyone followed that advice, we'd have no airplanes. "Man was not meant to go to Space", more recently. Bang, people have been to the Moon and we even have a space station today. Are there things that Science cannot know definitely, or can't know yet? Yes, a lot of things. But in the unknown, the "supernatural" lurks. Science can't explain the organization of the Universe, so "God is the only explanation", according to theists or creationists. It's based in such lines of thought that people still believe in miracles, possession, gnomes, angels, devils, plagues of Egypt and *insert supertitious belief that is impossible to be observed by Science". Go figure. What's the difference in believing in Santa Claus or believing in angels? I can just say that I believe in Zerg Queens, who is going to prove me wrong? "Just because you haven't seen a Zerg Queen, doesn't mean it doesn't exist"! That's how ridiculous all of this is, IMO.  However, I do recognize the benefits of the social inclusion and interaction that religions may bring. | ||
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Keanu_Reaver
Djibouti1432 Posts
On May 30 2004 22:13 AeroGx wrote: I can understand how some people can only trust science... As if we aren't lied to enough practically every day? but ive done the research looked at the interviews and to be frank the odds of Creation without a Creator* (sorry for the typo) as we know it today are 1 to 50,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 Mathemations regards anything over 1 to 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 to be an impossiblity. I have a friend to who was an atheist and he was studying the eye for many years. After 6 years he says it is by far impossible to have something so intricate and carefully designed come about by blind luck. Just food for thought. Have a good night.. Jace  if time as a variable is infinite, that number means nothing | ||
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Keanu_Reaver
Djibouti1432 Posts
On May 30 2004 22:24 itzme_petey wrote: Hmmm... i was wondering something. The word "god" means "all mighty and powerful right?" or atleast describes a person who is. But... im all mighty and powerful to ants.. does that make me a god? If it does ya'll can bow down to me. Or does "god" mean, to have power over your fellow man? So god is just one of us..? So technically, he isnt a god, he is another being just powerful then us. Since with out us... who will he control... i guess he is content with his ant pile.. you clearly dont understand what almighty means | ||
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Keanu_Reaver
Djibouti1432 Posts
On May 30 2004 22:32 cjh wrote: These are questions nobody will ever have the answers to. Excalibur_Z doesn't have them either, he's actually so far off it's sad. But I think everybody would be best off if we were all atheists. Atheism isn't necessarily truth, but it is the one faith that doesn't promote violence, war, racism, generalized prejudice, masochism, murder, rape, terrorism, suicide, detrimental inhibitions, or misogyny. the bible promotes none of that, everything is to be taken in context which sadly practically everyone who attempts to discuss the bible lacks | ||
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Keanu_Reaver
Djibouti1432 Posts
On May 30 2004 23:18 secrtagent wrote: Someday in the future, people will all look upon the various religions of today in the same manner scientists look upon the "gods" and religion of Greece. Even though greeks probably firmly believed in the existence and influence of many gods (sun god, sea god, god of war, etc.)...nowadays, its pretty much viewed as interesting, but nonetheless, nonsensical, myths. We'll all have a good laugh at how gullible and vulnerable we really are . I am not trying to discourage religion... it is a very good guide to life and many people find comfort in believing in an afterlife. But one should take religion as just that... a guide to life... not the be all and end all of everything.then why is christianity a 2000+ year religion while the greek religion lasted only in their time | ||
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Keanu_Reaver
Djibouti1432 Posts
On May 30 2004 23:41 cjh wrote: Few of them are happy. Most are suffering on the inside. Many of them will even readily admit that they are suffering. They simply state that they are more concerned with the eternal afterlife than they are with their lives on Earth. Most of them are taught this bullshit from birth. Pounded into their heads as early as age 2, if you disobey the lord you will be forever damned to a Hell filled with the worst pain and suffering you could ever imagine. Answer me this: If a girl is constantly told from age 2 to 14 that she is a worthless stupid trashy slut whore, how do you think the remainder of her life will be spent? She'll likely do a ton of drugs and alcohol and have many many sexual partners and probably be a rape victim a number of times, until she either dies or eventually decides to spend the rest of her life recovering from the horrible emotional trauma that she experienced age 2 to 14. With religion it's a little different. Few people tell you that it's wrong and the ones that do are very easily dismissed as false, so people who have religion pounded into their heads from birth never recover. Instead they're like the girl who believed she was a worthless stupid trashy slut whore until she died. It's not difficult to maintain faith when you're born with it being forced down your throat; just as it's expected that the girl would go on to lead the life of a worthless stupid trashy slut whore. I could think of a few much better analogies than the one above, but I've already typed a ton so that's what you get. =[ hell is not a biblically taught concept, and learning the bible is not emotionally traumatic for most christians | ||
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Keanu_Reaver
Djibouti1432 Posts
On May 31 2004 00:05 AeroGx wrote: Problem with sex is people just misuse it by not being married to person BEFORE they make love.. why do you think we have STDs? But although god may not approve of premarrital sex isn't it illogical to think he'd deliver us into a fiery hell to burn and burn and burn?? 1 John 4:8 says "...God is Love." Interestingly enough Romans 6: 7 says "He who has died has been aquitted from his sin." To be frank many many ministers have a hard time impressing the seriousness of sin to people so the clergy class had to come up with something to scare people into serving god... "Hellfire". this is fairly accurate, hell is a very pagan concept | ||
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BigBalls
United States5354 Posts
heres my views: Do you guys believe in chaos theory? (The idea of order in chaos, no randomness. Anything can be predicted knowing ALL of the initial conditions of a situation. For example, one could have predicted the response I was about to type based on my past knowledge, my hormonal state at the time, the atmosphere, how much sleep I got, and what you guys have typed so far, as well as an uncountable number of other factors). Basically, with chaos theory, we could predict everything that will happen. However, we are far too insignificant and not nearly perceptive enough to take into account everything possible. Adding to this, suppose we want to predict something that will happen in 2 weeks. We would not only have to take into account everything that has happened to every person who could possibly be involved in what we want to predict, as well as everything that is happening now, and every single action over the continuous span of the next 2 weeks. This is even much harder than I briefly brushed over before. That being said, lets suppose a god exists. Now, god is defined to be an all powerful, omniscient being. He has the ability to predict the future because he CAN take into account everything. This would be an explanation of prophecies and the like. However, it is merely a conjecture. This type of conjecture can be furthered to God actually creating science. Physics, math seem near perfect to me. They are very cut and dry subject matters. Of course there are things we might be wrong about. The word "science" bothers me. Im a mathematician. Math is about assuming a bunch of axioms are true, then proving whatever we can from those basic axioms. Science on the other hand, is about observing things, then making conjectures about them. These are not proofs, they can be likened to what we call in math as "proofs by example". this is NOT a proof. Science is a bunch of observations that people make, merely conjectures based on a lot of sightings. Now, that also being said, everything we can possibly say about both science and religion is a conjecture. Hell, even math is a conjecture, we cant prove the axioms we hold to be true. suppose in euclidian geometry that a straight line is not the shortest distance between two points. Suppose sets in the real numbers dont have infinum's and supremum's, we cant prove shit in math. Since everything is merely a conjecture and the questions we are asking here probably will never be answered, the only choice I had was to become agnostic. I dont have enough faith to push myself over towards monotheism (christianity is a bullshit religion that was created through canonization of paganism) nor do I have the guts to outright say god does not exist, so I cant claim atheism. youre probably all bored of me now, just my two cents, in this case, more like two bucks worth. | ||
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Keanu_Reaver
Djibouti1432 Posts
On May 31 2004 00:26 cjh wrote: Myself and most of my cousins attended private religious schools, and church on a weekly basis for a term of our lives. I've been around plenty of religious folk. In my experience, it's gone like this... The ones that truly believe and follow their faith, are suffering. The ones that claim to believe but don't put too much of themselves into it (Excalibur_Z seems like he might fall into this group), can be happy. you really dont know anything, the extent to which one devotes himself to religion is not proportional to how much he suffers | ||
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Keanu_Reaver
Djibouti1432 Posts
On May 31 2004 01:43 STIMEY d okgm fish wrote: um. u dont know whats "beyond" the universe (if anything) , what is before, or after, or how it works, if it does, etc. so it could be a 1 in infinite chance over infinite time.. and still happens. simple. the only way creationist arguments like the one that started this thread get any merit is by using conspiracy theories to justify a belief that the earth and the universe etc. are much younger than they seem to be time is a product, whether its a product of our universe or a product of god is the debate, either way you're going to have a hell of a time proving a product of something can be infinite | ||
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Keanu_Reaver
Djibouti1432 Posts
On May 31 2004 03:29 Starfire.fX wrote: I'd love to see how you "researched" this... Like every other bullshit christian fundamentalist I can only assume you were reasing children's books about magic (Harry Potter anyone???) and some fake statistic caught your eye that you decided to inflate. The Romans had a religion... You consider it foolish and wrong now. The Greeks had a religion... You consider it foolish and wrong now. The Muslims have a religion... You consider it foolish and wrong now. The Hindus have a religion... You consider it foolish and wrong now. All these religions... and all you eventually agree on is some "eternal" being controls and created everything. Where's here's the most basic question for you: Where did he come from? And when you answer, he has always existed for he is the forever... I answer with, you're own proof that creation exists without a creator is prrof that a creator could not exist without any other form of existence. Consciousness is beyond current human understanding... and people need to throw away their worthless views of "religion" as an answer and either accept that as sentient beings you face insanity on a daily basis dealing with your own intelligence. Religion is a false comfort, there is no afterlife, what you accomplish in life is what you accomplish... You're legacy is based purely on your commitement to excellence. Anyway, if anyone reads this and cares to argue I will prove them to be a moron beyond all question of the word moron. Greek and Roman religions lasted only in their era, hindu's and muslims have their own followers, why bring up other religions, its totally irrelevant. and your weak little philosophies on the purpose of religion are totally irrelevant as well | ||
Insane
United States4991 Posts
The chance of there being a creator is 0 in 1. Also your statistics say CREATION without Creator. Woopdeedoo, I'm not arguing for Creation, but for Evolution. | ||
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Tien
Russian Federation4447 Posts
However I still go with scientific approach, if it wasn't for people that didn't believe in God, we'd be living in the stone age. Science is something still new, give humanity a couple of more thousand years (which is like a blink of an eye relative to how long this universe has been here) and more and more answers about who we are will be answered. Plus, prove that god exists and if he does, why doesnt he give a shit about us instead of leaving us here all alone? | ||
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