Question for atheist - Page 6

Starfire.fX

Canada59 Posts

May 30 2004 18:41 GMT

#101

On May 30 2004 22:23 Excalibur_Z wrote:

There are many people who swear God impacts their lives so it is not simply a question of the afterlife.

Yah ... And I swear the roulette wheel landing on Odd efefcts my life, yet I don't go sit in a building for an hour each week and fidgit beacause of it do I?

STIMEY d okgm fish

Canada6140 Posts

May 30 2004 18:53 GMT

#102

On May 31 2004 03:41 Starfire.fX wrote:

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Yah ... And I swear the roulette wheel landing on Odd efefcts my life, yet I don't go sit in a building for an hour each week and fidgit beacause of it do I?

u would if you believed the roulette wheel wanted you to or promised rewards far exceeding anything that can ever happen in ur human existence wouldnt u? but how the fuck do you end up believing something like that anyways? myth and supersticion?

Starfire.fX

Canada59 Posts

May 30 2004 19:05 GMT

#103

Beyond an existence than I can describe no better than "comfortable" (I have never wanted for anythign in my life) I have never seen any existence of a "GoD" figure. To comprehend such a being is beyond anything I can think of... I've done some crazy drugs and my mind has considered some things that I can only assume you would think to be insane... I think I have legally been insane for a time, but in the end it always comes back to people use GoD as an excuse to be lazy.

They beleive in a second chance if they half-ass be good in this life, a forevermore... What earned them this second chance? Their sloth? Their Greed? Their own deadly sins call them down, I shun devout christians and those without the ability to acknowledge their mortalitiy.

Liquid`Drone

Norway28796 Posts

May 30 2004 19:16 GMT

#104

the initial question asked was insanely retarded.

to any christian, realize this :

the idea of a "god" makes just as little if not less sense to any atheist as the idea of there not being a god does to a christian.

arguing this is useless.

dont wanna close it tho cause apparently tons of people are finding this fun

kornu

40 Posts

May 30 2004 19:19 GMT

#105

the thing is, each one fo us gets imprinted with a set of basic beliefs and values during our first years of life. it's called symbolic violence. the intricate mechanics of society make it so that our parents (mothers especially) shape us in a certain direction that works for the society in question. for instance, an arab family will 'arabize' its children, in the same way that every family in every part of the world will thend to shape its children the way they were shaped... it's like society has some kind of collective norms, a matrix so to say, that gets grafted into each one of us. the particular, regional society each of us live in is the result of many many years of evolution, and the fact that we exist confirms that society has evolved in a good way, ensuring survival, therefore, it created this mechanism to preserve itself and protect itself at the same time from outside disturbance (such as other societies). from nature's point of view, good means anything that ensures survival. while we have developed a set of morals, unfortunately none of us really live to them, i.e. enforce them rather than the classic set of morals we were trained with, because that is the whole point of symbolic violence... it teaches all individuals in a specific region to act the same, think the same (i'm reffering to fundamental items, not favourite colors), preserve the characteristics of the place we grew up in. that's why christian families impose christian values on their children, even if the bible says that we have free will, therefore negating the 'free will' part (i bet all christians will try to argue that i'm very wrong, and that is absolutely normal, they were trained this way). that's why americans are so damn proud to be americans, that's why people fight wars, they were trained to value their religion, their race, their nationality higher than the general human values. and those mechanism, the ones put in place in our early days, are the most efficient way for society to preserve itself. those inhibitors work above reason, above will. if all the people would have the strength to think above those, above religion or color, the world would truly be a better place. but unfortunately, we are all trained to hold our own values higher than others' values, and the worst thing yet is that we cannot accept any others, even when reason makes us see that we are wrong. if i were to post 100 incosistencies in the bible, which is supposed to be perfect, as it is god's word, and god is perfect, therefore proving that christianity is wrong (seeing how religions are absolute, there's no room for ambiguity), i'm sure all the christians will just jump me and try to argue that they are right and i'm just an ignorant, blind, sad human being. and if i'll prove their new arguments wrong, they'll still find new ways to interpret them so that they are right. it's the fault of symbolic violence, the instinctual thing that our parents do to us. i won't be able to open anyone's eyes, as they are pretty much shut, in the same way that no christian will be able to 'open' mine. i live in a 'profoundly' christian country, and most christians i know are not worthy of the title 'christian'. they all tend to think that exceptions are ok, and that god and religion are not absolute, you can interpret them in a way that benefits you or that is closer to what you believe in when in truth it is not. that shook the power of my faith, and made me realize that their religiusness is more focused on their being a christian than loving god, peace and harmony. and i confess to not being a christian anymore. it would have really been for the best if all people were atheists to begin with. fundamentalism would no longer have its 'spiritual' motivation, the inquisition would have been non-existant, no nation would start a crusade against 'heathens', noone would feel entitled to persecute anyone because their god is 'false'. and how would you explain buddhism, being that old? is that a heresy? how about the crimes the bible chracters did... were they ok because it was actually god that worked through them?
i remember seeing a very nice episode of south park, from season 7, something about mormones. that's the best example of how society shapes us in a certain way. we become less interested in the certainty of our ideals and values, and more interested in preserving and spreading them.

Liquid`Drone

Norway28796 Posts

May 30 2004 19:24 GMT

#106

nobody will read that unless you create paragraphs.

L!MP

Australia2067 Posts

May 30 2004 19:26 GMT

#107

On May 30 2004 22:13 AeroGx wrote:
I can understand how some people can only trust science... As if we aren't lied to enough practically every day?
but ive done the research looked at the interviews and to be frank the odds of Creation without a Creator* (sorry for the typo) as we know it today are 1 to 50,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

Mathemations regards anything over 1 to 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 to be an impossiblity.

I have a friend to who was an atheist and he was studying the eye for many years. After 6 years he says it is by far impossible to have something so intricate and carefully designed come about by blind luck.

Just food for thought. Have a good night..

Jace

except that the eye has a design floor where the occulomotor nerve runs along the back wall of the orbit hense creating the well known "blind-spot"

Starfire.fX

Canada59 Posts

May 30 2004 19:32 GMT

#108

On May 31 2004 04:26 L!MP wrote:Except that the eye has a design floor where the occulomotor nerve runs along the back wall of the orbit hense creating the well known "blind-spot"

If it was only bluntly... I must admit... well said :D

Starfire.fX

Canada59 Posts

May 30 2004 19:39 GMT

#109

On May 31 2004 03:53 STIMEY d okgm fish wrote:

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In reference to the "Does Lasgo OP work for BW 1.11?" Thread... All I have to say is:

"fusdof"

PS: ... OMG That's teh sexy :D

TanGo

Sweden1019 Posts

May 30 2004 19:42 GMT

#110

I've only read through some of the posts given, but I still think you should prove the excistence of the so called bible. Where did it come from? Who typed it? If I remember correctly it was some man in contact with god, but you see, the problem (unless god suffers from amnesia) is that the bible was written by more than 5 people, if you study it and read every line, you can see a lot of weird things, for example, we did this in class, read 3-4 pages and then somehow, man was created and then a woman, but the bible created the woman 2 times, from a rib from the man and then some other way I cant remember right now... but you see, it is proven that the bible was written by more than 5 writers, so wtf?
And the nature itself is very spectacular, there is evolution and also science knows the basic substances that every lifeform consists of and it is also researched that all those substances excisted when life evolved on earth. Some might say, like in the first post that the odds of these substances to react is one too a shit load of zeros but do you know how small these substances are? they are atoms, and do you know how many atoms there is? If you have gone to school instead of beeing taught at church you know the answer is way over a shit load of zeros, and then the chances for them to react is alot less than you say.

TanGo

Sweden1019 Posts

May 30 2004 19:48 GMT

#111

We will also all go to hell, since we can't be a member of many diffrent religions, so the ones we are not in, will send us to hell of some sort,
sucks dosen't it?

Liquid`Jinro

Sweden33719 Posts

May 30 2004 19:48 GMT

#112

1) There are indeed a lot of scientists who have ceased being atheists after their research. However, they did not become christian or even believe in god

2) Aren't you the Jehovas Witnesses guy? -_- You know, 'your people' have predicted the destruction of earth like 4 times in the last 100 years!

Starfire.fX

Canada59 Posts

May 30 2004 19:52 GMT

#113

The more intelligent the average person becomes, the less power "religion" will have on society.

Muhweli

Finland5328 Posts

May 30 2004 20:13 GMT

#114

To the original question:
If you also consider the universe infinite, the probability of life spawning at some part of the universe is actually pretty probable =]

SoleSteeler

Canada5459 Posts

May 30 2004 20:43 GMT

#115

Something drives the universe, something created the universe. Like in the Big Bang theory, the universe was like the size of an atom then exploded and expanded and expanded...

But still, where did that 'atom' come from >_<

Gotta think what's completely outside of everything that we know of. And even then, what created whatever created us?

And you could ask yourself that question forever!

Eti307

Canada3442 Posts

May 30 2004 20:52 GMT

#116

Why the bible is bs:

Jesus was born in summer, because there were sheeps, and there is snow there december 25th and not only that: the star they all saw was actually a planet aligment and astrophysician said that happened somewhere in june.

He died at 40 years old not 33. When he died the sky became black. that's actually a solar eclipse that happened when he died. If we look at the time between that planetary alignement and that eclipse, it gives 40 years. So Jesus is born in the year -7 before Christ.

And who the fuck told them about all of this? they werent even there when he was born and in his early years. John wasnt even a real disciple. He was a kid when Jesus died (if I remember correctly)

Yuljan

2196 Posts

May 30 2004 21:34 GMT

#117

Buddhism

GroT

Belgium3003 Posts

May 30 2004 21:38 GMT

#118

and how unlikely was the creation of the higher power that created us?

whatever you believe, this is for sure: something damn unlikely happened, so you can't use that as your argument

cYaN

Norway3322 Posts

May 30 2004 21:41 GMT

#119

On May 30 2004 22:13 AeroGx wrote:
the odds of Creation without a Creator* ....

how do you get from creator to God?
read some philosophy instead of maths.
Pay particular attention to Hume's works, maybe we can turn you into an atheist after all

Liquid`Spy

Netherlands1301 Posts

May 30 2004 22:16 GMT

#120

Just accept that what is, simply is. It has nothing to do with luck, it's simply what happened. Saying some sort of 'God' made it isn't making it any more likely. I don't see how anyone can find a 'creator' a satisfying answer on how the world (or the universe if you like) has come to be. Creation is a paradox; if something has to be created by something that created it in order to exist, you have a situation that's either without end, or false. If it's without end you might as well drop the whole idea of a 'creator', because something that's begin- and endless doesn't need one. I'd like those who think 'God' is anymore an explanation for anything than the 'big bang' to think about this.

and btw, there's a chance of 1 in 50,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 I'm going to believe in fairy tales.

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