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88)KicKDoG
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and the main argument they use is basically "it was copied down wrong.." | ||
Klogon
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baal
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On June 01 2004 20:54 Klogon wrote: Each "contradiction" on that page has a "catagory" in which the author puts each one. And just by looking through those, I know you didn't take more than 10 seconds to look at that. omg a red nick in the thread... that cant be good :p | ||
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Tien
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baal
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On June 01 2004 21:02 Tien wrote: Baal, I support you 100% on your never ending quest to destroy religion. Once religion is dead, so is God. ohhhh, I cant wait till that day happens. <3 | ||
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Deleted User 3420
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baal
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On June 01 2004 21:18 travis wrote: Tien how do you define "religion" or "god". Don't think it's that simple bud. its not literal what he said -__-; he means religion is the creator of god, so the end of religion will be the end of god... | ||
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Keanu_Reaver
Djibouti1432 Posts
Your first point: firstly, the time of herod's death is speculation at best, josephus' own writings indicate that he could have died anywhere from 4bce to 1ce due to the nature at which the jewish calendar and the nature at which a person gains the throne is. as for quirinus, josephus states varus rules prior to herods death, and his predecessor was saturninus. the importance? quirinus ruled before saturninus, thus quirinus time was likely to be around 2-3bce at the end of his governship. the way 4ce came about was through scholars not understanding that dual governship was a popular thing among the romans as many had done this before and after. the innaccuracy of josephus' dating is also in question as he was not born for another 40 years after this as well. You offer proof of contradiction based on nothing but speculation? your second point about where they went isn't even a contradiction, in luke it states they brought him to jerusalem *after purifying him*, this happened after they had escaped into egypt. i love you forgot to mention that part your third point: edit: read up a bit more, i didn't need to speculate at all, heli is is on mary's side your fourth point: both state he went up to the mountain, both state he sat down, both state his disciples came to him, both state he spoke to his disciples, from there matthew states he began teaching to the astonishment, luke states he found solid ground and began teaching and healing the masses. again you left something out, in matthew it states when he went down from the mountain, great crowds crowded around him and he healed a leprous man there...upon reading these two sermons, the one recorded in matthew is much different from the one recorded in luke. sounds more like harmony, both describe different sermons but both describe him going up to the mount, his disciples going up, him coming down and healing, and him then going to capernaum. no contradiction your fifth point: out of context. the gospels are the accounts of jesus as told through matthew, luke, mark, and john; as such they will include certain things the others will not include, such as your above point where matthew included the sermon on the mount but not the sermon afterwards, while lukes included the sermon afterwards but not the one on the mount, this one is no different, they each included something jesus said but not the same thing that he said. with this being said, the only account that states these jesus actual final words was the one in luke, matthew does as well but it states a loud cry which the one in luke is most likely. the first thing he said was the one found in psalm and matthew, those even state he cried again after the vinegar, as then he received the vinegar. then of course what he says after the taking of the vinegar is the one found in luke, he then bows his head and thats where he says the one found in john, as thats when he dies. your sixth point: another one from the gospels! again same as above, these are of the four writers of the gospels and thus differ but dont directly contradict, the account in luke mentions that many women went, and they went and told many...the first to rush off were peter simon and the other disciple, this shows that likely john knew only of those three rushing out, and from this we can see that it was mary magdalene that told those three. the one is matthew says that mary magdalene and mary mother of james reported to the disciples, so mary mother of james reported to the other discples other than peter and simon and the fast one, and this is what matthew knew of. while the one in luke says the women reported to the eleven and "all the rest", thus joanna and the others reported whomever "all the rest" may be, and this is what luke knew of. again, if you treat the gospels as four seperate historical documents, you'll see they don't contradict. your seventh point (wearing down..): this one is tough, but what the priests say is very important. because of the nature of hebrew law, that money was still considered to belong to judas outlined by what the priests say. so the priests had to do with the money something for judas, so they bought potters field. fast forward to acts, peter in that account talks of his intestines bursting forth in the midst of...potters field. the conclusion? matthew says judas hung himself, not that he died from being hung, because they bought potters field with judas' money and going along with what happened in acts, judas attempted to hang himself over this field most likely on the branch of a tree overlooking a cliff which he then leaped off of. what happened then is the branch or the rope broke, and he plummeted down where he landed with a splat in potters field, which the priests then bought as it was the easiest way to get rid of the money and hold true to the law. your eighth point: easiest one yet, just had to re-read the scriptures at ephesians to realize the one at ephesians is talking about it was gods works gives men the opportunity to be saved, not man's works. thats what is meant by "god's gift" your last point: i'd say this one is your strongest, but the ones in matthew and luke are talking about after being received in a home not to take any belongings of the home owners or purchasing in addition too while the one in mark is saying for their journey carry nothing but a staff. as i expected, everything taken out of context. and as i expected, it was all of the gospels. im sure you're going to say im manipulating the scriptures to fit in with what i want, but until you realize you're doing the exact same thing, dont bother replying telling me that. | ||
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Keanu_Reaver
Djibouti1432 Posts
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baal
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Anyway lets not turn this crap into a bible discussion cuz it would be to discuss about what a bunch of goat herders wrote. | ||
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STIMEY d okgm fish
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Klogon
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STIMEY d okgm fish
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Mydnyte
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Now, I'm much older and more mature about bullshit I used to deal with. I started praying like once or twice a week at least, but I always still think there is something above.=/ | ||
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STIMEY d okgm fish
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Mydnyte
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Deleted User 3420
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On June 01 2004 09:29 Konni wrote: NTT wrote: "We're all randomly assembled bits of matter. Out of billions of stars and planet combination ours happened to spawn life. Big whoop. When we die we decompose and we'll be gone" I couldn't have said it better I could. Organized bits of matter does not create a consciousness. Millions of geniuses have believed in a god, whether defined by a known religion or not. | ||
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cjh
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Liquid`Spy
Netherlands1301 Posts
On June 02 2004 01:52 travis wrote: I could. Organized bits of matter does not create a consciousness. It seems like they do. | ||
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