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baal
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"If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy firend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods,thou shalt surely kill him" I think there is no second meaning or paradox in there.... It clearly says, that if someone tries to persuade you to change of religion, KILL HIM!!!!, even if its your own SON, or father or mother. | ||
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Keanu_Reaver
Djibouti1432 Posts
On June 01 2004 17:37 Hot_Bid wrote: so basically every parent has the right to kill their children, as every child in the history of earth has disrespected their parents at one point or another? no, thats not what the bible teaches he's speaking of the mosaic law which has long since been abolished. | ||
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Keanu_Reaver
Djibouti1432 Posts
On June 01 2004 17:44 baal wrote: Well just read this carefully: [color = "red"] "If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy firend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods,thou shalt surely kill him" [/color] I think there is no second meaning or paradox in there.... It clearly says, that if someone tries to persuade you to change of religion, KILL HIM!!!!, even if its your own SON, or father or mother. in the mosaic covenant | ||
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baal
10708 Posts
but when a part its just too obsolete and ridiculous to the modern age it becomes ABOLISHED. That is a law created by man, not by god, as all in the bible!. Soon that law against condoms and pills will be abolished too, because its ridiculous as the rest of the bible. | ||
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Keanu_Reaver
Djibouti1432 Posts
On June 01 2004 17:50 baal wrote: You have a very confortable position, just saying its truth the parts you like about the bible... but when a part its just too obsolete and ridiculous to the modern age it becomes ABOLISHED. That is a law created by man, not by god, as all in the bible!. Soon that law against condoms and pills will be abolished too, because its ridiculous as the rest of the bible. im not saying its untrue, that was the nature of the relationship between God and Israel back then, but its still the mosaic covenant. the coming of jesus ended the mosaic covenant as was foretold. its all in the bible that you profess to know so much about. | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36402 Posts
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baal
10708 Posts
On June 01 2004 18:09 Hot_Bid wrote: islam says to kill people who persuade you to join other religions too right? islam tells you to kill everyone you dont like  haha | ||
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baal
10708 Posts
On June 01 2004 17:53 Keanu_Reaver wrote: im not saying its untrue, that was the nature of the relationship between God and Israel back then, but its still the mosaic covenant. the coming of jesus ended the mosaic covenant as was foretold. its all in the bible that you profess to know so much about. So that invalidates all prior-christ text, so the old testament is full of BULLSHIT. Now its time to quote from the New-testament, lets see what you say about that | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36402 Posts
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Keanu_Reaver
Djibouti1432 Posts
On June 01 2004 18:20 baal wrote: So that invalidates all prior-christ text, so the old testament is full of BULLSHIT. Now its time to quote from the New-testament, lets see what you say about that it invalidates the laws passed on the israelites, not the old testament. and i shudder to think what scriptures you'll confront me with next, since the only new testament scripture you quoted was so pathetically irrelevant and out of context that it baffles my mind that you somehow expected it to prove that jehovah advocates killing children in the messianic covenant but by all means, lets see what you can misconstrue into contradiction according to God's will next. | ||
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GoSexyPerli
United States1072 Posts
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Arbiter[frolix]
United Kingdom2674 Posts
On June 01 2004 10:59 ObsoleteLogic wrote: Arbiter: It does relate, but maybe I didn't make it clear enough; for murder or incest to become "good," it would require a true paradox. Our presupposed God is and defines existence, and as I said, evil is a lack (or non-existence) of something. So for evil things to become good, you would have to invert God and make him evil... and in practical theory you'd wipe out creation. Dig my jive? First, you are strictly correct in saying your post 'related' to the one I was replying to in that it addresses the same topic. However, it simply offers a different thesis to the one I was replying to and thus does not impact directly on my reply. The post I was replying to claimed that what was and was not good was defined by an act of will of God, very different from the thesis you are proposing, I think. Nevertheless, addressing your thesis directly, I am now not entirely clear what you mean by 'evil is a lack (or non-existence) of something'. If we take an (unfortunately) everyday evil act, such as murder, how is this a lack of something? | ||
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baal
10708 Posts
When was Jesus born? According to Matthew, Jesus was born during the reign of Herod the Great (Matthew 2:1). Herod died in March of 4 B.C., so Jesus had to have been born BEFORE that time. But . . . According to Luke, Jesus was born during the first census in Israel, while Quirinius was governor of Syria (Luke 2:2). This census took place in 6 AD and 7 AD, about 10 years after Herod's death. After Jesus was born where did Mary, Jesus and Joseph go? According to Matthew, Jesus was born in a house in Bethlehem. (Matthew 2:11) They immediately left in a panic to Egypt because an angel told them that Herod was going to try to kill Jesus. (Matthew 2:13) Afterwards, they are going to return to Bethlehem, but decide to go to Nazareth instead to avoid danger. (Matthew 2:22-23) But . . . According to Luke, Mary and Joseph were from Nazareth and went to Bethlehem only for a census. (Luke 2:4). Instead of being born in a house, Jesus was born in a manger because there was no room in an Inn. (Luke 2:7). After the birth, they waited only for Mary to go through ritual purification, whereupon they went to Jerusalem to sacrifice two birds. (Luke 2:22-24). After that, they went immediately home to Nazareth. (Luke 2:39) Who was Joseph's father? It was important to Luke and Matthew to establish that Jesus' bloodline went to King David, so that He would fulfill prophesy. Of course, since Joseph was not Jesus' father, any genealogy starting with Joseph seems somewhat pointless, but this didn't stop our imaginative authors. The only problem is: their family trees don't correspond. "And JACOB begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus." (Matthew 1:16) But . . . "And Jesus being the son of Joseph, which was the son of HELI." (Luke 3:23) Where was the "Sermon on the Mount" held? While we commonly think of the sermon being held on a mountain (from its name alone), truly the New Testament is better than Conde Nast when it comes to choosing locations! "And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him: And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying...." (Matthew 5:1-2) But . . . "And he came down with them, and stood in the plain, and the company of his disciples, and a great multitude of people...came to hear him.. And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples and said..." (Luke 6:17-20) What were Jesus' last words on the cross before He died? "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?" that is to say, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" [Psalm 22:1] ...Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost." (Matt. 27:46-50) But . . . "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, "Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:" and having said thus, he gave up the ghost." (Luke 23:46) But . . . "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, "It is finished:" and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost." (John 19:30) On the third day after Jesus' death, who first came to the tomb? Mary Magdalene alone (John 20:1) But . . . Mary Magdalene and the other Mary (Matt. 28:1) But . . . Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James and Salome (Mark 16:1) But . . . Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Mary, the mother of James, and other women (Luke 24:10) What happened to Judas? Matthew 27:5 states that he threw down his silver, ran from the temple, and hanged himself. But . . . Acts 1:16-19 states, however, that he bought some land with his money, and that he had a fall, causing him "to burst open in the middle" so that his "bowels gushed out. And it became known to all of the inhabitants of Jerusalem, so that the field was called in their language Akaldama, that is, Field of Blood." How are we saved? "For by grace are we saved through faith...not of works" EPH 2:8-9. But . . . "...and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works" REV 20:13. But . . . "Ye see then that by works a man is justified, not by faith only. For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also" JAMES 2:26 When giving His disciples tips on how to accessorize their outfits: When Jesus summons the twelve disciples to send them out to proclaim the kingdom of God, he lists the things the disciples should not take with them. In Matthew 10  -10 and Luke 9:3-5, a staff is included in the list of things not to take.But . . . In contradiction to Matthew and Luke, Mark 6:8 makes a specific exception - the disciples may take a staff. | ||
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baal
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baal
10708 Posts
On June 01 2004 19:23 (AnGeLs) wrote: lol... all your answers to those and more at http://debate.org.uk/topics/apolog/contrads.htm too lazy to post, even though i saw answers to all your questions there. bleh you just were: ![[image loading]](http://www.wackyweaselworld.com/gamespot/flameINC/owned32.jpg) | ||
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AeroGx
United States37 Posts
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Ryan307 :)
United States1289 Posts
On June 01 2004 18:26 GoSexyPerli wrote: alright. Most of us are intelligent here. As far as human minds are concerned. now, listen everyone, listen close.... None of us will ever know the truth. There are things in this universe that are beyond us. Just exactly what or who they are has billions of possibilites. Athiests are morons and ignorant. Religion is ignorant and moranic. I want you to just stop and think about existence. go ahead, think about it. It was obviously formed in some way our stupid little brains just can never realize. Whether by god, or some undefined aura of alien energy, the possilities are endless. The entire human species are ignorant, trapped on an island surrounded by a sea of an infinity of knowledge and space. you are one sexy beast | ||
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baal
10708 Posts
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AeroGx
United States37 Posts
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