EPT"We're all randomly assembled bits of matter. Out of billions of stars and planet combination ours happened to spawn life. Big whoop. When we die we decompose and we'll be gone"
I couldn't have said it better
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Konni
Germany3044 Posts
"We're all randomly assembled bits of matter. Out of billions of stars and planet combination ours happened to spawn life. Big whoop. When we die we decompose and we'll be gone" I couldn't have said it better | ||
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United States43 Posts
On June 01 2004 07:04 I_are_n00b wrote: Christianity denounces pride. Christianity has no demands other than accepting that Jesus died for you. Christianity is against ritualism, to do something solely for religious purposes. How can it even be counted as a religion? There aren't any demands, you don't have to donate money, no rituals, etc... Unlike everything else in this world, what did the creator of this "religion" have to gain from it? If Jesus created it to be famous, then that means he wanted to get crucified on the cross and live a meager life? And since if Jesus created it, then it'd all be fiction and he wouldn't be saved, so he wouldn't be concious, so what's the point of being famous when he won't know? Christianity states that pride is a sin. So it's not a form of eliteism. Whoever wrote made this religion up must have been retarded from a worldly point of view, since he wouldn't get any gains. What other religion is like this? One that gives you rules and then tells you you've already failed but I passed for you so you don't have to follow them anymore? Christianity doesn't denounce pride. It denounces Pride, as in the sin. Yes, there is a difference. Lowercase "pride" is the emotion of being happy that something good has happened. Capital "Pride" is the sin of acting like you are the only one who did anything to make it happen. "Pride" is basically arrogance. "pride" is like parents being proud of their son graduating from college. Also, Christianity has more demands than simply accepting the fact that Jesus died for us. Of course, that's integral, but there is much more. Since Jesus died, we have been given a mission to spread his Word to everyone. We must show by our words and actions that we follow the Almightly God. We can't just say, "I believe in God" and go kill someone. We have to live like decent human beings. Unlike some people... | ||
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SW)RIF
United States563 Posts
Well thats the thing, the Bible provides loopholes where there shouldnt be any, and brick walls where there should be considerations. Let me give you two the most used examples ive used in religious debates with people i know. 1) A loophole: Any person that commits a great sin has the rest of his/her life to feel sorry for it. Now lets say for example a kid was youthful and hotheaded and killed a policemen who was servicing his country by trying to stop him from robbing a store. That kid then spends his older years in prison feeling sorry for himself and turns to god for forgiveness. Any christian i ask, will (even with some sadness) say if that kid/man truly feels sorry for what hes done, he will yet see heaven if he abides to the words of god and the bible. MyResponse: bullshit. 2) Brickwall: Lets take a monk from tibet (hypethetical situation), hes lived most his life off of the food him and his fellow monks have made. He appreciates all forms of life, and displays none of the '7 deadly sins'. He lives a long loving life where he helps who ever is in need. That same monk takes in a person who is spreading the word of the Christian God. The monk out of respect learns of this religion and even goes as far as to read the bible. Although that monk has been taught the essence of the religion the monk obliges him by speaking from his own heart, saying that there are many forms of great religion but he does not believe in Jesus or this God and cannot embrace them in his heart. So he sends the man on his way. Any Christian ive spoken to will have to conceed that this monk now will go to hell. Hes been introduced to the religion so the loophole of "the im not aware of this god so my ignorance is forgiven". It specifically states (although i do not know where only been told by christians) that if you leanr of god and jesus and refuse them into your heart, you will be cast into hell. MyResponse: bullshit. | ||
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sperix
Germany243 Posts
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JudasT
Spain2226 Posts
 ... creation ? creation of what ? ... do you want to enter the Matrix ? ... take the red pill and enjoy the ride  | ||
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ObsoleteLogic
United States3676 Posts
It does relate, but maybe I didn't make it clear enough; for murder or incest to become "good," it would require a true paradox. Our presupposed God is and defines existence, and as I said, evil is a lack (or non-existence) of something. So for evil things to become good, you would have to invert God and make him evil... and in practical theory you'd wipe out creation. Dig my jive? | ||
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United States43 Posts
On June 01 2004 10:34 SW)RIF wrote: "We can't just say, "I believe in God" and go kill someone. We have to live like decent human beings. Unlike some people..." Well thats the thing, the Bible provides loopholes where there shouldnt be any, and brick walls where there should be considerations. Let me give you two the most used examples ive used in religious debates with people i know. 1) A loophole: Any person that commits a great sin has the rest of his/her life to feel sorry for it. Now lets say for example a kid was youthful and hotheaded and killed a policemen who was servicing his country by trying to stop him from robbing a store. That kid then spends his older years in prison feeling sorry for himself and turns to god for forgiveness. Any christian i ask, will (even with some sadness) say if that kid/man truly feels sorry for what hes done, he will yet see heaven if he abides to the words of god and the bible. MyResponse: bullshit. 2) Brickwall: Lets take a monk from tibet (hypethetical situation), hes lived most his life off of the food him and his fellow monks have made. He appreciates all forms of life, and displays none of the '7 deadly sins'. He lives a long loving life where he helps who ever is in need. That same monk takes in a person who is spreading the word of the Christian God. The monk out of respect learns of this religion and even goes as far as to read the bible. Although that monk has been taught the essence of the religion the monk obliges him by speaking from his own heart, saying that there are many forms of great religion but he does not believe in Jesus or this God and cannot embrace them in his heart. So he sends the man on his way. Any Christian ive spoken to will have to conceed that this monk now will go to hell. Hes been introduced to the religion so the loophole of "the im not aware of this god so my ignorance is forgiven". It specifically states (although i do not know where only been told by christians) that if you leanr of god and jesus and refuse them into your heart, you will be cast into hell. MyResponse: bullshit. As for your loophole: Aren't you being kind of intolerant? If people state their opinions and give reasons for them, that's ok. But you just say "bullshit" without even listening or presenting your own evidence. You're giving a bad name to athiests. As for your brick wall: The same intolerance issue goes for that too. But, I would also like to point out that the Chrisians you spoke to about this didn't really know what they were talking about. That monk wouldn't necessarily go to Hell. He might go to purgatory, where he would see that there is only one God. But he wouldn't go straight to Heaven. Very few people go straight to Heaven. If this monk continued to lead a good moral life, I would say he won't go to Hell. And don't just say "bullshit", at least argue your case. You're proving that athiests are closed-minded bigots more than Christians. | ||
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SW)RIF
United States563 Posts
Oh ONLY purgatory. Isnt that where suicides go, which is completely condemned in the eyes of god. Im sure purgatory isnt Bad. HF monk. Dont assume im not a tolerant person because you'd be quite alarmed at how tolerant and patient i am in real life. Its one of my defining attributes... even among happy go lucky religious friends. edit: by the by, my examples were my defense. If you dont understand the hypocrisy of the statements, then maybe you need to let it sink in more. I dont need to support that which is already my point. | ||
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ObsoleteLogic
United States3676 Posts
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SW)RIF
United States563 Posts
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Keanu_Reaver
Djibouti1432 Posts
On June 01 2004 10:34 SW)RIF wrote: "We can't just say, "I believe in God" and go kill someone. We have to live like decent human beings. Unlike some people..." Well thats the thing, the Bible provides loopholes where there shouldnt be any, and brick walls where there should be considerations. Let me give you two the most used examples ive used in religious debates with people i know. 1) A loophole: Any person that commits a great sin has the rest of his/her life to feel sorry for it. Now lets say for example a kid was youthful and hotheaded and killed a policemen who was servicing his country by trying to stop him from robbing a store. That kid then spends his older years in prison feeling sorry for himself and turns to god for forgiveness. Any christian i ask, will (even with some sadness) say if that kid/man truly feels sorry for what hes done, he will yet see heaven if he abides to the words of god and the bible. MyResponse: bullshit. 2) Brickwall: Lets take a monk from tibet (hypethetical situation), hes lived most his life off of the food him and his fellow monks have made. He appreciates all forms of life, and displays none of the '7 deadly sins'. He lives a long loving life where he helps who ever is in need. That same monk takes in a person who is spreading the word of the Christian God. The monk out of respect learns of this religion and even goes as far as to read the bible. Although that monk has been taught the essence of the religion the monk obliges him by speaking from his own heart, saying that there are many forms of great religion but he does not believe in Jesus or this God and cannot embrace them in his heart. So he sends the man on his way. Any Christian ive spoken to will have to conceed that this monk now will go to hell. Hes been introduced to the religion so the loophole of "the im not aware of this god so my ignorance is forgiven". It specifically states (although i do not know where only been told by christians) that if you leanr of god and jesus and refuse them into your heart, you will be cast into hell. MyResponse: bullshit. i think a better question would be, if 1john 4:8 is true, why does hell exist. and that other guy who said they would go to purgatory, where in the bible does it say purgatory exists? | ||
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Keanu_Reaver
Djibouti1432 Posts
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baal
10541 Posts
On June 01 2004 08:59 SW)RIF wrote: baal, where is that list of contradicting morals and excerpts from the bible that you quoted last religion vs atheism thread? They were awesomely funny. One of them went something like: "No man shall wear clothing with mixed threads, wool shall not mix with cotton." Obviously a very liberal rememberance of the qoute. YAY !!!!! an oportunity to post them again... ok ill post them again in a few minutes, yeah i remember that mixed threads and that KILL your son if he dissobeys you... muhahahaha Bible is hillarous  | ||
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baal
10541 Posts
Is killing your own child a sin?: yes, unless he: 1)Disrespect you 2)encouraged you to join other faith than christianity 3)Is killed in the name of Jesus And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death? (Exodus 21:17). ?If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy firend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods?thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die? (Deuteronomy 13:6-10). ?And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death. And ye shall be hated of all men for my name?s sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved? (Matthew 10:21-22) | ||
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baal
10541 Posts
Girls with jeans and Scottish dudes are fucked up cuz god says is an abomination for women to use pants and viceversa LOL The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God? (Deuteronomy 22:5) Oh and boldness its not because genetic, its a punishment for the allforgiving GOD!: And it shall come to pass, that instead of sweet smell there shall be stink, that instead of a girdle a rent; and instead of well set hair baldness; and instead of a stomacher a girding of sackcloth; and burning instead of beauty? (Isaiah 3:24). ?Baldness is come upon Gaza; Ashkelon is cut off with the remnant of their valley: how long wilt thou cut thyself?? (Jeremiah 47:5) And im saving the good ones when the christians start bitching about this  | ||
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baal
10541 Posts
On June 01 2004 10:59 ObsoleteLogic wrote: evil is a lack (or non-existence) of something. You are denying the existance of a Devil, ruler of evil... so you are denying the bible belief's, so you belive in the Devil as such or you just made ANOTHER religion BTW i respect you very much as a poster, and as a good poster you are, you should pick your battles, and this one... is a battle you CANT win and you know it. | ||
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Keanu_Reaver
Djibouti1432 Posts
 what of the "good ones" you were saving? | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36379 Posts
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Keanu_Reaver
Djibouti1432 Posts
On June 01 2004 00:12 LaptopLegacy wrote: 1)Gen3:15 "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel." 2)You want Matthew or Luke lineage? Mat (not in Luke): Eleazar - Matthan - Jacob - Josef Luke (not in Mat): Levi - Matthat - Heli - Josef So who was Josefs father anyway? 3)A question open to interpretation. But I'd say to glorify its creator. 4)Paul, Paul, David (for the most part) 5)Which one? The temple of Salomon was destroyed in 586 BC, the temple of Herod (named after him while he didn't start it, but actually greatly expanded it) was destroyed in 70 AD. 6)See above. 7)Bezaleel and Aholiab (under the command of Mozes) 8)There are many Michaels in the bible, but i presume you mean the archangel, commander of the heavenly armies one? 9)Ishmael and Isaac 10)The chief butler. The chief baker. But I don't believe in the existence of the god claimed in your book. I think the only reason people do is because they've been brainwashed with it. I was too for a long time. 1. correct 2. correct, good research too (to answer your question, the 23rd verse of luke states "as the opinion was" or something to that effect, meaning that because of the nature of the world at that time and the cultural clashes, its most likely that jacob was heli in roman dialect, though i dont want to get into it) 3. incorrect, isaiah 45:18 clearly states the earth's purpose is to be inhabited 4. correct 5. incorrect, the temple of solomon was destroyed in 607 bce 6. i was refering to the first temple, which im sure you know the answer too 7. correct 8. im speaking of the arch angel 9. correct 10. correct 6 out of 10 (7 including the one about who built the temple) not bad at all | ||
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I_are_n00b
196 Posts
So to the guy who suggested that I we beg forgiveness when we wear jeans, not only did you say "I heard somewhere..." so you don't even know, but also, remember that all sins are forgiven. The Lord would still like you to admit and repent any sins you commit today or anything you can think of, but again, you'd do it out of free will and also if you don't it doesn't not condemn you. | ||
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