Question for atheist - Page 18

On June 01 2004 07:04 I_are_n00b wrote:
Christianity denounces pride.
Christianity has no demands other than accepting that Jesus died for you.
Christianity is against ritualism, to do something solely for religious purposes.

How can it even be counted as a religion? There aren't any demands, you don't have to donate money, no rituals, etc... Unlike everything else in this world, what did the creator of this "religion" have to gain from it? If Jesus created it to be famous, then that means he wanted to get crucified on the cross and live a meager life? And since if Jesus created it, then it'd all be fiction and he wouldn't be saved, so he wouldn't be concious, so what's the point of being famous when he won't know?

Christianity states that pride is a sin. So it's not a form of eliteism. Whoever wrote made this religion up must have been retarded from a worldly point of view, since he wouldn't get any gains. What other religion is like this? One that gives you rules and then tells you you've already failed but I passed for you so you don't have to follow them anymore?

On June 01 2004 10:34 SW)RIF wrote:
"We can't just say, "I believe in God" and go kill someone. We have to live like decent human beings. Unlike some people..."

Well thats the thing, the Bible provides loopholes where there shouldnt be any, and brick walls where there should be considerations.

Let me give you two the most used examples ive used in religious debates with people i know.

1) A loophole: Any person that commits a great sin has the rest of his/her life to feel sorry for it. Now lets say for example a kid was youthful and hotheaded and killed a policemen who was servicing his country by trying to stop him from robbing a store. That kid then spends his older years in prison feeling sorry for himself and turns to god for forgiveness. Any christian i ask, will (even with some sadness) say if that kid/man truly feels sorry for what hes done, he will yet see heaven if he abides to the words of god and the bible. MyResponse: bullshit.

2) Brickwall: Lets take a monk from tibet (hypethetical situation), hes lived most his life off of the food him and his fellow monks have made. He appreciates all forms of life, and displays none of the '7 deadly sins'. He lives a long loving life where he helps who ever is in need.

That same monk takes in a person who is spreading the word of the Christian God. The monk out of respect learns of this religion and even goes as far as to read the bible. Although that monk has been taught the essence of the religion the monk obliges him by speaking from his own heart, saying that there are many forms of great religion but he does not believe in Jesus or this God and cannot embrace them in his heart. So he sends the man on his way.

Any Christian ive spoken to will have to conceed that this monk now will go to hell. Hes been introduced to the religion so the loophole of "the im not aware of this god so my ignorance is forgiven". It specifically states (although i do not know where only been told by christians) that if you leanr of god and jesus and refuse them into your heart, you will be cast into hell. MyResponse: bullshit.

On June 01 2004 10:34 SW)RIF wrote:
"We can't just say, "I believe in God" and go kill someone. We have to live like decent human beings. Unlike some people..."

Well thats the thing, the Bible provides loopholes where there shouldnt be any, and brick walls where there should be considerations.

Let me give you two the most used examples ive used in religious debates with people i know.

1) A loophole: Any person that commits a great sin has the rest of his/her life to feel sorry for it. Now lets say for example a kid was youthful and hotheaded and killed a policemen who was servicing his country by trying to stop him from robbing a store. That kid then spends his older years in prison feeling sorry for himself and turns to god for forgiveness. Any christian i ask, will (even with some sadness) say if that kid/man truly feels sorry for what hes done, he will yet see heaven if he abides to the words of god and the bible. MyResponse: bullshit.

2) Brickwall: Lets take a monk from tibet (hypethetical situation), hes lived most his life off of the food him and his fellow monks have made. He appreciates all forms of life, and displays none of the '7 deadly sins'. He lives a long loving life where he helps who ever is in need.

That same monk takes in a person who is spreading the word of the Christian God. The monk out of respect learns of this religion and even goes as far as to read the bible. Although that monk has been taught the essence of the religion the monk obliges him by speaking from his own heart, saying that there are many forms of great religion but he does not believe in Jesus or this God and cannot embrace them in his heart. So he sends the man on his way.

Any Christian ive spoken to will have to conceed that this monk now will go to hell. Hes been introduced to the religion so the loophole of "the im not aware of this god so my ignorance is forgiven". It specifically states (although i do not know where only been told by christians) that if you leanr of god and jesus and refuse them into your heart, you will be cast into hell. MyResponse: bullshit.

On June 01 2004 08:59 SW)RIF wrote:
baal, where is that list of contradicting morals and excerpts from the bible that you quoted last religion vs atheism thread? They were awesomely funny. One of them went something like: "No man shall wear clothing with mixed threads, wool shall not mix with cotton." Obviously a very liberal rememberance of the qoute.

And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death? (Exodus 21:17). ?If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy firend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods?thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die? (Deuteronomy 13:6-10). ?And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death. And ye shall be hated of all men for my name?s sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved? (Matthew 10:21-22)

The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God? (Deuteronomy 22:5)

And it shall come to pass, that instead of sweet smell there shall be stink, that instead of a girdle a rent; and instead of well set hair baldness; and instead of a stomacher a girding of sackcloth; and burning instead of beauty? (Isaiah 3:24). ?Baldness is come upon Gaza; Ashkelon is cut off with the remnant of their valley: how long wilt thou cut thyself?? (Jeremiah 47:5)

On June 01 2004 10:59 ObsoleteLogic wrote:
evil is a lack (or non-existence) of something.

On June 01 2004 00:12 LaptopLegacy wrote:


1)Gen3:15 "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel."
2)You want Matthew or Luke lineage?
Mat (not in Luke): Eleazar - Matthan - Jacob - Josef
Luke (not in Mat): Levi - Matthat - Heli - Josef
So who was Josefs father anyway?
3)A question open to interpretation. But I'd say to glorify its creator.
4)Paul, Paul, David (for the most part)
5)Which one? The temple of Salomon was destroyed in 586 BC, the temple of Herod (named after him while he didn't start it, but actually greatly expanded it) was destroyed in 70 AD.
6)See above.
7)Bezaleel and Aholiab (under the command of Mozes)
8)There are many Michaels in the bible, but i presume you mean the archangel, commander of the heavenly armies one?
9)Ishmael and Isaac
10)The chief butler. The chief baker.

But I don't believe in the existence of the god claimed in your book. I think the only reason people do is because they've been brainwashed with it. I was too for a long time.