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VdP]DreaM
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Heen
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AeroGx
United States37 Posts
On May 31 2004 18:39 VdP]DreaM wrote: Just out of curiousity, have they proved Jesus existed? Just so you know the bible isnt the only text that talks about jesus. The first-century Jewish historian Josephus reffered to the stoning of "James, the brother of Jesus who was called the christ."(The Jewish Antiquities, Josephus, Book XX sec.200) Go to your public library! =D | ||
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baal
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On May 31 2004 18:52 VdP]DreaM wrote: Ah right, ok. What about that cloth in Italy I think it is, that they believe Jesus was wrapped in? Yeap, i dunno the english traslation, but that Turin Rag has been prove to be false, they first made a test to the corners but they realized it was another thread that the middle, so the second test showed discrepancies. Please say that IM WRONG and its real so i can link the study results and bitch slap you | ||
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Keanu_Reaver
Djibouti1432 Posts
On May 31 2004 18:49 baal wrote: I am so sure i am NOT wrong, that i bet an eternity in flames how about that biatch  you dont even know what the conditions of the earth mean and you're sitting here telling me you know more than me? here's a test for you: 1) what was the first prophecy 2) name 3 people in Jesus' line with the exception of his father, adam, eve, and abel 3) what is the purpose of the earth 4) who was the author of the books of: 1st corinthians, 1st Timothy, and Psalms 5) When was the temple destroyed 6) who built the temple 7) who built the tabernacle 8) who is michael 9) name both of abrahams sons 10) to whom did pharoah celebrate a birthday with? and whom did he have hung? | ||
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Keanu_Reaver
Djibouti1432 Posts
On May 31 2004 18:53 Heen wrote: I don't know what post you're talking about, really. I skimmed through most posts in this thread. You keep using imaginary superioty as your defense whenever I seem to point out your flaws. If anything, I feel even more superior to you when you resort to worthless arguements. Besides, they say a lie is only a lie if you know what you're saying is incongruent with your feelings or beliefs. 14th page, third post down, i'll quote it: "not when you exhale your last breath and for a second you realize you've lived all your life wrong as your life slips through your hands you experience the deepest fear of knowing you will simply stop existing" i may come off as elitist, but its more disgust. i've talked with atheists so much and a smart and level headed atheist is great to debate with, but your typical run of the mill atheist is so haughty and acts so superior to people with religions (always saying religion is a crutch, or its for the weak, or smart and open minded people dont believe in religion) that its disgusting. and of course when i return fire with the same attitude i get ridiculed for it? typical atheist double standard | ||
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AeroGx
United States37 Posts
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VdP]TwistedEcho
United Kingdom847 Posts
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Keanu_Reaver
Djibouti1432 Posts
are you gone? or maybe you're googling the answers? | ||
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Keanu_Reaver
Djibouti1432 Posts
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Heen
Korea (South)2178 Posts
For your cute little tomb. You were right. Atheists do pass it off as fake. http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/science/06/18/jesus.box/ To quote the article: "no physical evidence from the first century has ever been conclusively tied with his life." Christians have to resort to these kind of things to deceive atheists? Tsk Tsk. | ||
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Meta
United States6225 Posts
On May 31 2004 18:44 Hot_Bid wrote: holy shit he did? i bet jesus could beat both ali AND bruce lee! and godzilla, all at the same time | ||
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Keanu_Reaver
Djibouti1432 Posts
On May 31 2004 19:10 Heen wrote: Wow. Did you just demand an intelligent debate? Hypocrisy just burst through the roof. You're the one bringing in emotion into the debate. You are upset at something I did not even do intentionally. If there are two murderers and only one gets jailed, does that mean the one who got jailed did not deserve that punishment? Regardless, I am debating against you and other Christians. So my focus is mainly on Christians. For your cute little tomb. You were right. Atheists do pass it off as fake. http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/science/06/18/jesus.box/ To quote the article: "no physical evidence from the first century has ever been conclusively tied with his life." Christians have to resort to these kind of things to deceive atheists? Tsk Tsk. no i didn't demand an intelligent debate, you're putting words into my mouth, i said i enjoyed debating with an intelligent atheist, i didn't enter this thread to find enjoyment, nor did i enter expecting an intelligent debate, what i expected is just what i got. emotion was brought into the "debate" long before i even bothered posting in it, and i dont believe you did it unintentionally. once again you are a typical run of the mill atheist, your entire "side" of this debate has been demeaning religion and acting superior to it, yet when i return fire in the same manner you ridicule me for it, that's hypocrisy. when i say something so ridiculous to one of your buds you rip into me for it, only to find he said the same thing to me...then you tell me it was unintentional and you expect me to take that pathetic little excuse to validate your lack of double standards? well ok, why dont you go ahead and rip into him the same way you ripped into me, i mean you're not a hypocrite at all are you? as for the jesus box thing, i trust cnn.com, so i concede that, and i feel its retarded for a christian to do such a thing (if it was a christian), i dont hold double standards, i rip into christians just as i rip into atheists. And i've said it before, both sides, for the most part, make me sick. But, there is many writings on jesus ministry not only in the bible, as that dude up there said there is more proof of jesus' existance than there is of julius caesars. im not going to argue the point with you though as its irrelevant. | ||
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Heen
Korea (South)2178 Posts
If you want an intelligent debate, let's start one then. The first thing you could do is point me to a reliable source that supports your stance. Otherwise, it would be ridiculous to make a statement and take no responsibility for it in a debate. | ||
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Keanu_Reaver
Djibouti1432 Posts
On May 31 2004 19:25 Heen wrote: Accusing each other of hypocrisy can continue indefinitely so I'll stop. If you want an intelligent debate, let's start one then. The first thing you could do is point me to a reliable source that supports your stance. Otherwise, it would be ridiculous to make a statement and take no responsibility for it in a debate. take a look at this thread, tell me without a shadow of a doubt that atleast some (practically all imo) of the atheists here are either belligerent, or ignorant. im not going to wade through the crap to try and hold an intelligent debate with you, but if you do want one, then by all means lets have one on aim | ||
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VdP]DreaM
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United States43 Posts
God is. He wasn't "created", he created everything else. He hasn't "been there for all time", he made time. God is. He is completely different from anything we can imagine. Christians call this difference holiness. God is good. He isn't good because he chooses to be good. He is good because that's the definition of good. Good is God's will. Likewise, evil is against God's will. Nothing can change good and evil. God is 1 God in 3 Persons. He is 1 What in 3 Whos. God the Father is one of the Whos. God the Son is another. God the Holy Spirit is another. These 3 Whos, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, make up our understanding of God, the What. Of course, He is beyond our understanding, but this is as close as we can come. God created everything. He created the universe. He created the world. He created Adam and Eve. He created a bountiful array of creatures. He created the angels, including Satan. He also created free will. By giving us free will, God gave us the choice to either be good or evil. (You remember that part about good and evil, don't you?) Most of the angels chose to be good. But Satan, however, chose to be evil. He rebelled against God, and was defeated. God punished him by sending him to Hell. Adam and Eve were also given free will. At first, they chose to be good. Life was wonderful in the Garden of Eden. But Satan decided that he wasn't satisfied. He wanted us in Hell with him. So he talked Eve into eating an apple from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Eve shared the fruit with Adam and they became enlightened. But not enlightened in the traditional sense. They became enlightened of what evil was like, and by disobeying God, they became evil. God cast them out of the Garden of Eden for being evil, and life was miserable. There were still good things like love, but they had been disfigured by evil. They were no longer what God had intended for us. You might ask why God created free will when he knew all this would happen. Well, think about it. If there were no free will, we wouldn't really be human. We would be like robots, programmed to do God's bidding. That's not what God intended either. So what was to come of all this? We had committed the most horrible crime in the universe, disobeying God. Since God is infinitely just, this crime must be punished by the most horrible penalty, death. Not just death of the body, but death of the spirit. We couldn't set ourselves right, because we didn't have the power to. Think of it this way: If you cut off your own hands, could you perform surgery to put them back on? Of course not. It seemed all was lost. But God is merciful as well as just. He figured out a way for our debt to him to be paid. He would pay it himself. The second Person of God (Jesus) came to us as a human boy born to Mary and Joseph in a smelly stable. He died on the cross for us, and by his death repaid our debt to him. We had been freed from our eternal punishment. Then, you ask, why did he leave us here to deal with evil on our own? Well, he didn't. Before he left for Heaven to rejoin the Father, he gave his disciples a gift. That gift was the Holy Spirit. Now the Holy Spirit is in each one of us, enabling us to fight evil with the power of God. He gave his Apostles the ultimate divine ability, the ability to forgive sins. Thus, we don't need to worry about evil taking over the world. All we need to do is fight it, and we can be assured that one day it will be gone. And that's the end of my speech. That was probably rather pointless, since no-one here will bother to read it all the way through, but at least I tried. Oh, and by the way, I'm Catholic. :D | ||
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cjh
Canada857 Posts
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Heen
Korea (South)2178 Posts
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Keanu_Reaver
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