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On May 31 2004 17:18 Countdown wrote:
I'm not going to read this whole thread, but did anyone question him how he came up with the "odds there is no creator?" Did he multiply the number of humans by the number of turds someone takes in a life time?
this is such a ridiculous argument. there either is or there isn't, no probability needed
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Lets put it that way, atheist gamble with their "afterlife", if there is one, we are fucked up.
But belivers gamble with their actual life, if there is no god, they wasted their life worshipping the air... 
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On May 31 2004 17:27 baal wrote: Lets put it that way, atheist gamble with their "afterlife", if there is one, we are fucked up. But belivers gamble with their actual life, if there is no god, they wasted their life worshipping the air...
you assume its an unhappy life worshipping god...i worship him and do what i can for him and i am perfectly happy.
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not when you exhale your last breath and for a second you realize you've lived all your life wrong as your life slips through your hands you experience the deepest fear of knowing you will simply stop existing
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Ok I took an aggressive approach to this thread earlier but here I go, again.
Atheism is not a religion. It's a belief or state of mind. Therefore, we don't have missionaries. We don't have any rituals or religious celebrations (with the exception of Christmas, presents = gg). We do not try to get in the way of other people. But we do get annoyed when the opposite happens. Maybe I should've used the collective term more carefully but I think that is a fairly accurate generalization. In fact, history shows us that Christians have often been the oppressors.
The thing that baffles me the most is that Christians (I don't know why it's always Atheist vs Christians and not any other religion. Probably because Christianity is most widespread and dominant.) try to prove their God's existence with the Bible. Is it just me or does everyone else see anything coming from a Bible as a VERY weak arguement.
Why must morality and mind have been created by God? It is because it is too difficult to explain? If you insist on using these qualities of life to try to prove your religion's validity (by this, I only mean the truth. Not right or wrong, since every religion has its good sides and bad sides.)
I cannot prove that God does not exist nor can anyone prove he does exist but I will show why your arguements don't justify his existence.
If god created love, that would mean he created hate too? Contradiction here?
Morality is not an inherent trait as some as you claim. It is affected and acquired by the environment of the individual. Thus, morality can also change and be shaped. How can I prove this? Let's see. There are countless examples. Different cultures produce different morals. Before I give you an example, we have to both agree on the definition that morality is what lets a human being differentiate right from wrong. Since I'm Korea, this is an easy example.
- In Korea, looking into an elder's eyes is heavily frowned upon.
- In America, looking into anyone's eye is a show of respectful attention.
More? In native areas, or during earlier times in certain areas, a women not covering her breasts is acceptable. It's not even questioned. It's a matter of fact. She would not be considered a slut and exiled or punished as she would have been in another place of another time period. So, if you're saying that morality is inherent in all human beings, that would mean the first human being desperately searched for clothing to cover his/her body? Most likely not.
This bit will be to show why something inexplicable should not always be credited to God.
Dogs are colorblind. They cannot see color. Since they cannot fathom the concept of colors, does that mean color is magical? No. According to dictionary.com, color is:
a. The appearance of objects or light sources described in terms of the individual's perception of them, involving hue, lightness, and saturation for objects and hue, brightness, and saturation for light sources.
b. The characteristics of light by which the individual is made aware of objects or light sources through the receptors of the eye, described in terms of dominant wavelength, luminance, and purity.
Just as dogs have a hard time understanding colors, there is bound to be things we, the self-proclaimed, most intelligent species, cannot fully understand, such as time or infinity.
Somethings we may never be able to define or understand, but that does not mean God, which is soley based on faith, should be the best and correct explanation.
Aside from logic, various religions contradict themselves and each other so often. If there are hundres of religion that each holds a different belief, there are only a few possible answers.
- None of them are right --> Atheism
- They are all right, which means Gods are the creation of imagination and faith. Man created God. (If man created God, how could God have created man?)
Why can't only 1 be the 'right' one? Because if one religion is *SOMEHOW* proven to be fake, that questions every single religion's veracity. It's an all-or-nothing situation.
Hm. This has been probably one of my longest posts but I cannot describe or explain everything I have on my mind, although I wish I could.
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On May 31 2004 17:36 baal wrote: not when you exhale your last breath and for a second you realize you've lived all your life wrong as your life slips through your hands you experience the deepest fear of knowing you will simply stop existing
but i wont, because i believe in God, and i will die a happy death knowing that i've done what God wants of me and am getting the ultimate reward at the end. don't try and push your beliefs on me buddy
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oh you will have that second im talking about, you will 
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On May 31 2004 17:39 Heen wrote:
Ok I took an aggressive approach to this thread earlier but here I go, again.
Atheism is not a religion. It's a belief or state of mind. Therefore, we don't have missionaries. We don't have any rituals or religious celebrations (with the exception of Christmas, presents = gg). We do not try to get in the way of other people. But we do get annoyed when the opposite happens. Maybe I should've used the collective term more carefully but I think that is a fairly accurate generalization. In fact, history shows us that Christians have often been the oppressors.
The thing that baffles me the most is that Christians (I don't know why it's always Atheist vs Christians and not any other religion. Probably because Christianity is most widespread and dominant.) try to prove their God's existence with the Bible. Is it just me or does everyone else see anything coming from a Bible as a VERY weak arguement.
Why must morality and mind have been created by God? It is because it is too difficult to explain? If you insist on using these qualities of life to try to prove your religion's validity (by this, I only mean the truth. Not right or wrong, since every religion has its good sides and bad sides.)
I cannot prove that God does not exist nor can anyone prove he does exist but I will show why your arguements don't justify his existence.
If god created love, that would mean he created hate too? Contradiction here?
Morality is not an inherent trait as some as you claim. It is affected and acquired by the environment of the individual. Thus, morality can also change and be shaped. How can I prove this? Let's see. There are countless examples. Different cultures produce different morals. Before I give you an example, we have to both agree on the definition that morality is what lets a human being differentiate right from wrong. Since I'm Korea, this is an easy example.
- In Korea, looking into an elder's eyes is heavily frowned upon.
- In America, looking into anyone's eye is a show of respectful attention.
More? In native areas, or during earlier times in certain areas, a women not covering her breasts is acceptable. It's not even questioned. It's a matter of fact. She would not be considered a slut and exiled or punished as she would have been in another place of another time period. So, if you're saying that morality is inherent in all human beings, that would mean the first human being desperately searched for clothing to cover his/her body? Most likely not.
This bit will be to show why something inexplicable should not always be credited to God.
Dogs are colorblind. They cannot see color. Since they cannot fathom the concept of colors, does that mean color is magical? No. According to dictionary.com, color is:
a. The appearance of objects or light sources described in terms of the individual's perception of them, involving hue, lightness, and saturation for objects and hue, brightness, and saturation for light sources.
b. The characteristics of light by which the individual is made aware of objects or light sources through the receptors of the eye, described in terms of dominant wavelength, luminance, and purity.
Just as dogs have a hard time understanding colors, there is bound to be things we, the self-proclaimed, most intelligent species, cannot fully understand, such as time or infinity.
Somethings we may never be able to define or understand, but that does not mean God, which is soley based on faith, should be the best and correct explanation.
Aside from logic, various religions contradict themselves and each other so often. If there are hundres of religion that each holds a different belief, there are only a few possible answers.
- None of them are right --> Atheism
- They are all right, which means Gods are the creation of imagination and faith. Man created God. (If man created God, how could God have created man?)
Why can't only 1 be the 'right' one? Because if one religion is *SOMEHOW* proven to be fake, that questions every single religion's veracity. It's an all-or-nothing situation.
Hm. This has been probably one of my longest posts but I cannot describe or explain everything I have on my mind, although I wish I could.
no no NO as;lkjfdfdas;lkjasfd;lkjfds;lkjfdas God did not create love, he did not create hate, he did not create morality. these are ABSTRACT CONCEPTS. The bible says jesus was the first creation of God, but love existed before jesus because God himself is love. thus, because its an abstract concept, God didn't create love, it's a product of him. So the counterpart of love -- hate -- is the product of God's counterpart, Satan. Morality wasn't created by God either, it's a product of him, and thats the big question...if morality isn't the product of God, what is it the product of? again, freud (who contributed more than most know to the theories of evolution) states that because there is no god, there is no morality either.
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On May 31 2004 17:47 baal wrote: oh you will have that second im talking about, you will
nope
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On May 31 2004 17:49 Keanu_Reaver wrote: Show nested quote +On May 31 2004 17:47 baal wrote: oh you will have that second im talking about, you will nope
Too bad we will never know
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On May 31 2004 17:47 baal wrote: oh you will have that second im talking about, you will
infact, i will have an infinitely happier death than you mr. atheist, because you die knowing thats it for you and i die knowing i get the ultimate reward
i really do pity you
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It would be dumb to be scared of death, its just stop existing, if your brain could actually conceptualize that you would see that actually its a very confortable state.
But ofcourse anyone who can conceptualize something that "hard" well, would be smart enough to leave any religion so i dont really expect you to understand it.
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On May 31 2004 17:50 Keanu_Reaver wrote: Show nested quote +On May 31 2004 17:47 baal wrote: oh you will have that second im talking about, you will infact, i will have an infinitely happier death than you mr. atheist, because you die knowing thats it for you and i die knowing i get the ultimate reward i really do pity you
hahahahahah
this guy is priceless.
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That's exactly my point. Christians transform emotions into a story.
If God is omnipotent, Satan would be nonexistent.
If both God and Satan were omnipotent, what is the point of endless fighting? Everything has to be simplified into good versus evil. I don't quite understand that. Christianity should be left as a guideline at best, not a story of abstract ideas, as you put it, that is considered to be the truth.
The after-life concept to make yourself feel superior is rather pointless and flawed. Think. Why exactly are you pitying him?
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On May 31 2004 18:07 Hot_Bid wrote: Show nested quote +On May 31 2004 17:50 Keanu_Reaver wrote: On May 31 2004 17:47 baal wrote: oh you will have that second im talking about, you will infact, i will have an infinitely happier death than you mr. atheist, because you die knowing thats it for you and i die knowing i get the ultimate reward i really do pity you hahahahahah this guy is priceless.
lol. yes.. yes he is..
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On May 31 2004 18:09 Heen wrote:
That's exactly my point. Christians transform emotions into a story.
If God is omnipotent, Satan would be nonexistent.
If both God and Satan were omnipotent, what is the point of endless fighting? Everything has to be simplified into good versus evil. I don't quite understand that. Christianity should be left as a guideline at best, not a story of abstract ideas, as you put it, that is considered to be the truth.
The after-life concept to make yourself feel superior is rather pointless and flawed. Think. Why exactly are you pitying him?
Theres a part i dont get, since the devil is the source of temptation and all Evil... well all religious fanatics keep saying how EVIL the world is and bad stuff happens everywhere blah blah blah...
So in conclusion i think, THE DEVIL IS KICKING SOMEONES ASS MWHAWHAWHA
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Why side up with the team who is loosing? just cause that side's leader said "We are going to win in the future"?
hahah this is funny
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god put ______insert evidence that supports atheism________ to test our faith!
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On May 31 2004 18:23 Hot_Bid wrote:
god put ______insert evidence that supports atheism________ to test our faith!
I thought you are religious...
stop throwing jabs at yourself dude, read that carefully and see who disses that ^______^
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On May 31 2004 18:05 baal wrote:
It would be dumb to be scared of death, its just stop existing, if your brain could actually conceptualize that you would see that actually its a very confortable state.
But ofcourse anyone who can conceptualize something that "hard" well, would be smart enough to leave any religion so i dont really expect you to understand it.
you can say that now, but that one second before you die, you will look back and realize everything you've done in your life will no longer matter, and that blackness that rolls over your eyes will be your final sight, and you will cease to be. you will fear death at that moment more than you've ever feared anything before in your life
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