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It's not about what you believe, it's about what is true.
Some almighty big guy who made us to worship him and be good (flawed as he himself is believed to have made us) so we can go to this place called heaven after our body and brain ceases to function is not. And throwing around random bible quotations isn't going to convince me otherwise.
I like i_are_n00b's philosophy on how anything can be possible because our perception is limited to what we are able to percieve, but in that case you could assume anything is possible, and god wouldn't be more likely than other wild fantasy that might spring to mind, so you might as well only believe in what you are able to know for sure.
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We need also to recognize that our very minds were created by God. We can only use these minds to the extent that He allows, and it is, therefore, utterly presumptuous for us to use them to question Him and His motives.
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I still don't see why atheists are so against christianity, I mean you believe you die and thats it, why would you care about what anyone else believes as long as they arn't causing harm to anyone i'd think you could care less and just have fun sinning. atheism is like russian roulette, you better hope your right^^
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like I said, if we start assuming such kind of wild imagination, we could as well consider believing anything that springs into our limited minds.
PS: in response to (angels) message above baals
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On May 31 2004 15:39 (AnGeLs) wrote:
I still don't see why atheists are so against christianity, I mean you believe you die and thats it, why would you care about what anyone else believes as long as they arn't causing harm to anyone i'd think you could care less and just have fun sinning. atheism is like russian roulette, you better hope your right^^
So you believe in God because you're afraid to take chances? =)
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On May 31 2004 15:44 Liquid`Spy wrote: Show nested quote +On May 31 2004 15:39 (AnGeLs) wrote:
I still don't see why atheists are so against christianity, I mean you believe you die and thats it, why would you care about what anyone else believes as long as they arn't causing harm to anyone i'd think you could care less and just have fun sinning. atheism is like russian roulette, you better hope your right^^ So you believe in God because you're afraid to take chances? =)
I'm smart enough not to play russian roulette.
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Dear angel
Did you not read to "Keep on making sure of what is acceptable to the Lord."? -Ephesians 5:10
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as long as they arn't causing harm to anyone
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On May 31 2004 16:02 STIMEY d okgm fish wrote:
as long as they arn't causing harm to anyone
A true Christian is after gods heart and will not harm another person, those who do so are mislead by satan and not Christians, just because someone claims to be christian and,or goes to church doesn't make him one. for Jesus said if you love me you will follow my commandments, love thy neighbor.
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On May 31 2004 15:54 (AnGeLs) wrote: Show nested quote +On May 31 2004 15:44 Liquid`Spy wrote: On May 31 2004 15:39 (AnGeLs) wrote:
I still don't see why atheists are so against christianity, I mean you believe you die and thats it, why would you care about what anyone else believes as long as they arn't causing harm to anyone i'd think you could care less and just have fun sinning. atheism is like russian roulette, you better hope your right^^ So you believe in God because you're afraid to take chances? =) I'm smart enough not to play russian roulette.
If I wouldn't I'd betray my own common sense.
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OMG what an ugly baby.. how can he see?
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On May 31 2004 15:57 AeroGx wrote:
Dear angel
Did you not read to "Keep on making sure of what is acceptable to the Lord."? -Ephesians 5:10
Assuming your talking about the russian roulette post and Ephesians 5 saying love your lord and give thanks to him.
Sureley I'm not Christian just because I fear god and what he has created for sinners(hell), I love my lord, but fearing the lord is a perfectly good reason to be Christian.
Jer 5:22 (NIV) "Should you not fear me?" declares the Lord. "Should you not tremble in my presence?"
Ps 34:11 (NEB) Come, my children, listen to me; I will teach you the fear of the Lord.
Ps 89:7 (NIV) In the council of the holy ones God is greatly feared.
Job 23:13-16 (NIV) "But he stands alone, and who can oppose him? He does whatever he pleases. He carries out his decree against me, and many such plans he still has in store. That is why I am terrified before him; when I think of all this, I fear him. God has made my heart faint; the Almighty has terrified me."
Prov 16:6 (NEB) ...the fear of the Lord makes men turn from evil.
Job 28:28 (NEB) ..."The fear of the Lord is wisdom, and to turn from evil is understanding."
Ps 19 (NIV) The fear of the Lord is pure, enduring forever
Let me point out that I don't fear satan, but God.
Matthew 10:28 (NIV) [Jesus] "Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the one who can destroy both soul and body in hell."
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Why does God punish people infinitely for finite sins?
Just a wonderin
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On May 31 2004 13:26 secrtagent wrote: Show nested quote +On May 31 2004 08:58 Keanu_Reaver wrote: On May 30 2004 23:18 secrtagent wrote: Someday in the future, people will all look upon the various religions of today in the same manner scientists look upon the "gods" and religion of Greece. Even though greeks probably firmly believed in the existence and influence of many gods (sun god, sea god, god of war, etc.)...nowadays, its pretty much viewed as interesting, but nonetheless, nonsensical, myths. We'll all have a good laugh at how gullible and vulnerable we really are . I am not trying to discourage religion... it is a very good guide to life and many people find comfort in believing in an afterlife. But one should take religion as just that... a guide to life... not the be all and end all of everything. then why is christianity a 2000+ year religion while the greek religion lasted only in their time The greek religion lasted 1700+ years according to this timeline http://www.yasou.org/ancient/dates.html . I believe that the greek religion only ended because the greek people were conquered by the romans. I may be wrong. I am not a history buff. But the point is, the greek religion did not end because someone just said "oh this is stupid", the greeks believed in their religion until the end. Thus, can you not admit the possibility that if the christian people were conquered or faded away...the religion of christianity could be ridiculed in the future? The idea that christianity will die anytime soon is very unlikely due to its popularity and simple ideas---live with respect to god and get into heaven. But there is always a possibility. I think people who ONLY believe in the existence of god and people who ONLY believe there is no god, are close minded. I am more atheist than anything, but I am willing to accept the idea of a God/Ultimate Creater as being a possibility. To both sides (atheists and relgious people): Only with an open mind, can one have tolerance. And tolerance does not mean you accept/believe either point of view, it just means you tolerate the idea because it is possible.
im sorry, i miss stated myself. the greek religion lasted a long time, yes, but it was confined just with the greeks, christianity has become part of many different cultures and has spread around the world. thats what i meant in this way. buddhists have been around for a very long time along with their offshoots, the muslim religions have been around for over 1000 years i believe, but christianity is unique in the fact that it goes beyond national and cultural borders and has followers all around the world, not just in those particular nations that the religion happens to originate from
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On May 31 2004 13:30 0_0 wrote:
I didn't really have time to read all 11 pages of the thread. So sorry if this has been posted - its been bothering me forever.
Question for Atheists:
If there was no god, how was the universe even created in the first place? I mean if you go back long enough - pre big bang, there shouldn't have been just "stuff" laying around that eventually became planets and big bang, etc. SOMETHING/GOD HAD to have created it since technically you can't create something out of nothing, well without divine intervention or some new science we've all never heard of.
Question for Christians:
Who made God, don't say he was there just to begin with.
Edit: Anyone who can come up with a logical answer gets a cookie ^^.
christian answer: god is an abstract concept, no abstract concept is ever "made", ie: numbers
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I'm not going to read this whole thread, but did anyone question him how he came up with the "odds there is no creator?" Did he multiply the number of humans by the number of turds someone takes in a life time?
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