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On June 10 2010 11:05 OneFierceZealot wrote: one things for sure, that bull probably didn't last too long afterwords.
The bull was killed afterwards. A good bull charges for the cape, not the man
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Okay, this thread has changed my opinion on this topic. Although I do think that the dude had it coming, and that it is 100% still his fault, I do feel sorry for him as a human being. I think it is very cruel and unjust to stab a bull 40 times, but I'm not the person watching and supporting these fights.
I guess I really should wait a bit to see how a thread goes before I voice my opinion, because it may change. Mods feel free to humiliate me because of the awful posts that I made in this thread.
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these bulls are pretty much bred to get murdered so a bunch of spanish nutbags can get their rocks off. even if the bull rapes the guy like that time, he still gets killed. what a crock
should put both of them down
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The "beautiful" part of the title pisses me off. Seriously, can any mod take it off? It's incredibly offensive.
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Cows aren't an animal I care about, so I'm apathetic to the violence toward bulls inherent to bullfighting. But I'm also apathetic to the pain or death a bullfighter risks when they choose to repeatedly taunt and stab a bull.
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Absolutely hate bull fighters. Would love to see the same thing happen to them. However, since humans generally place such low value on other species lives, that will never happen and animal torture will resume in the masses daily.
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When I traveled to Venezuela(Where we still share a lot of the Spanish Culture, the "Bull Plaza" is what we call the lil stadium thingy where this shit takes place is like literally 10 blocks from my house or so) back in '06....
I attended this with Family, Friends, etc. I must say it was really sad to see the bull die in front of your eyes but I kinda understand why people enjoy watchin this as the Matador is really ballsy and does a lot of brave actions in front of thousands of people such as kneeling down on 1 knee and saying "wadup my nigga majigs" I didnt know if I should feel joy or feel sad for the animal... it was a heck of experience, I dont think is right... I would never attend again but I WOULD NEVER WISH another human being missery or getting hurt... you guys are fucked up in the head ... stop and think for a minute... its a fucking HUMAN being stabbed through the neck out his mouth.
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I don't know how you can say we're fucked up when they're torturing a large mammal (who feels pain most likely on the same level as us if not more because they also have a large nervous system).
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On June 10 2010 11:23 Cloud wrote: The "beautiful" part of the title pisses me off. Seriously, can any mod take it off? It's incredibly offensive.
If a mod wanted to change this to "Epic" that would be fine with me. If not that would be fine as well. I don't want to offend without a good reason and I'm not attached to the title.
Obviously I don't find it offensive at all though.
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On June 10 2010 02:58 distant_voice wrote: fucker had it coming to him. still no need to make a thread to celebrate his misery.
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On June 10 2010 02:57 IntoTheWow wrote: I'm glad this happened. I realize that many people are against bullfighting, but there are two points I bring up: 1. Its a part of their culture. Your opinion of civilized isnt necessarily theirs. 2. Theres no reason to wish the person to be hurt just because he may be part of a bad cause. If I disagreed with your way of life that wouldnt make it good for me to want you to die unless you were doing something evil which affected people.(murder, rape etc.) Not that I agree with bullfighting. I find it stupid that people get so much amusement from killing agressive and unintelligent animals. I just disagree with your response to the situation.
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Fucker did have it coming. If I was a bull waiting to be next on stage I'd be all like ROFL.
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People who say it's a "human being suffering" are being pretty hypocritical. This guy spends his entire life torturing and then killing animals that were bred for no other purpose. If you look at it in a purely philosophical sense, there is absolutely no reason for us to mourn the death of another human who just further consumes our natural resources, overpopulates the earth, and especially who furthers the torture of completely helpless animals. To those of us who aren't so xenophobic that we don't realize that humans are just a small part of the biodiversity of the planet, and that we don't have some "god given" right to destroy and kill whatever we please so long as it spares someone a minor injury, the torture and death of a bull is much worse than that of a human. I wouldn't have reacted any different if they had let the guy bleed to death in the dust (as they would have done only a hundred plus years ago)
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On June 10 2010 02:57 IntoTheWow wrote: I'm glad this happened.
Pretty sure you must have better statement. Cuz that is just nonsense.
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On June 10 2010 12:10 ghermination wrote: People who say it's a "human being suffering" are being pretty hypocritical. This guy spends his entire life torturing and then killing animals that were bred for no other purpose. If you look at it in a purely philosophical sense, there is absolutely no reason for us to mourn the death of another human who just further consumes our natural resources, overpopulates the earth, and especially who furthers the torture of completely helpless animals. To those of us who aren't so xenophobic that we don't realize that humans are just a small part of the biodiversity of the planet, and that we don't have some "god given" right to destroy and kill whatever we please so long as it spares someone a minor injury, the torture and death of a bull is much worse than that of a human. I wouldn't have reacted any different if they had let the guy bleed to death in the dust (as they would have done only a hundred plus years ago) Yeah I agree with much of this.
As a side-note, the human species is the most invasive on the planet and has caused the extinction of a countless number of organisms due to the insane rate of birth to death that we have with technology progressing (and the human population seems to do nothing but grow with the advent of advanced medicine). One day, if the Earth begins to overpopulate too much, a great deal of pollution will wipe out more species (BP Oil is looking to begin this).
If pollution doesn't do it; nuclear winter or famine will. I just find it so infuriating the closed-mindedness and destructive capabilities of our species even though we're 'intelligent.' I figure that we as humans could be more responsible and try to end unnecessary suffering. But everything I'm saying is subjective and there are some people out there that surely wouldn't find animal torture as a bad thing. Oh well. That's what happens when you have a creature with an overdeveloped frontal lobe.
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On June 10 2010 03:08 Liquid`NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2010 03:05 IntoTheWow wrote:On June 10 2010 03:04 Liquid`NonY wrote: Wait why all the hate on him? None of you guys eat beef or what? =/ Killing to eat != killing for entertainment. Beef isn't needed to sustain human life. Humans eat it for pleasure. Eating beef is killing for pleasure, just the same.
what a reach
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On June 10 2010 11:57 jackofclubs81 wrote:I realize that many people are against bullfighting, but there are two points I bring up: 1. Its a part of their culture. Your opinion of civilized isnt necessarily theirs. 2. Theres no reason to wish the person to be hurt just because he may be part of a bad cause. If I disagreed with your way of life that wouldnt make it good for me to want you to die unless you were doing something evil which affected people.(murder, rape etc.) Not that I agree with bullfighting. I find it stupid that people get so much amusement from killing agressive and unintelligent animals. I just disagree with your response to the situation.
I dont know about the rest of the people posting in this thread, but I for one think that culture doesnt give people a right to perform sadistic acts. To me that sounds like you respect suicide bombers because they often believe theyre sacrificing themselves for their beliefs. I justify my anger towards bullfighters or other people that perform sadistic acts towards animals through my only newly found vegetarian ways. About more than a year ago i didnt really think about the injustice done towards animals by even making them live the way we want them to live just because their intelligence might be a lesser intelligence than ours. Only just about a year ago i had a talk with a friend of mine (who also posts on TL) about the benefits of being a vegetarian (from a moral point of view) and practically changed my eating behaviours over night (not exactly over night but I became a veggie about 2 weeks after he got me some insight in the matter). If youre willing to let yourselves be educated about the cruelties that happen in the meat/leather/clothing industry i think a lot of people wouldnt want to support cruelty towards animals anymore and bullfighting is just about as unnecessary as it will get. Now that i think of it im pretty shamed of the way i used to live before i really gave thought to the whole injustice-towards-animals thing.
on topic: The guy had it coming. Not prying on his suffering but when youre stupid enough to pit yourself against a bull you cant really blame the animal if youre getting hurt. Also its not like its an equal fight. The bulls are usually held in the dark and are deprived of food for several days (not sure about the duration) so once they get released into the arena theyre blinded for a long time and arent really that strong anymore. I wouldnt really call that an equal fight.
TL;DR: veggie raging against people trying to justify bullfights or cruelty towards animals at all.
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Guy had it coming to him... Taunting that bull and all...
Man I could go for a hamburger now.
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On June 10 2010 12:33 eMbrace wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2010 03:08 Liquid`NonY wrote:On June 10 2010 03:05 IntoTheWow wrote:On June 10 2010 03:04 Liquid`NonY wrote: Wait why all the hate on him? None of you guys eat beef or what? =/ Killing to eat != killing for entertainment. Beef isn't needed to sustain human life. Humans eat it for pleasure. Eating beef is killing for pleasure, just the same. what a reach
get it?
+ Show Spoiler +awwww I...made a protoss joke
oh its, its sticky. ew.
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