EPTPeople need to listen to real music - Page 5
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JohnColtrane
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phosphorylation
United States2935 Posts
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phosphorylation
United States2935 Posts
On May 18 2010 09:31 JohnColtrane wrote: i get more enjoyment from hip hop guys like fat jon, mf doom, nujabes etc. than i do from classical guys, so why should i listen to 'real music?' people can argue the artistic perspective all day, and it may have merit, but personally i just want something nice to listen to. im not going to abandon something that sounds nice to me because it's not real or artistic enough Completely legitimate view. As I mentioned in my post, I sort of pity of you because I feel like you are missing out on better musical experience, but if this is what you seek in music, so be it. | ||
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JohnColtrane
Australia4813 Posts
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Tal
United Kingdom1017 Posts
Someone said that just because Kant and Adorno said something doesn't mean it's right. Well of course it doesn't. But it's not just them...nearly every philosopher or serious thinker on art puts artists like Shakespeare, Mozart or Picasso far above your average 'pop artists' for many many compelling reasons. I'm happy to make an 'appeal to the authority' of the greatest thinkers in human history - I certainly trust them more then anyone I've met who's still alive. And actually, all the smartest people I've met agree with the philosophers... People describe elitists as very proud people, but I think it's the opposite. I'm rejecting my own pride, and admitting my teenage self was unsurprisingly, very wrong about what the important things in life are. Sticking to my ill-thought out principles would have been stupid. | ||
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dani_caliKorea
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On May 18 2010 09:33 phosphorylation wrote: Completely legitimate view. As I mentioned in my post, I sort of pity of you because I feel like you are missing out on better musical experience, but if this is what you seek in music, so be it. what a dick post you pity a person for enjoying music? | ||
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phosphorylation
United States2935 Posts
you have some reading comprehension problems or your missing the point on purpose either way, you don't seem too clever | ||
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endy
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Deleted User 3420
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On May 18 2010 12:13 endy wrote: I like Scatman John. dude who doesn't | ||
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phosphorylation
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HeadhunteR
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Spiffeh
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krndandaman
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
all we need is someone from the anime thread commentating on the jpop portion and it will be legendary | ||
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phosphorylation
United States2935 Posts
Calling the 5th beethoven symphony "pritty shitty." Hmm, it's still pretty damn good in my opinion although, yes, Beethoven has composed more complex and arguably superior works later in his life. | ||
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Lemonwalrus
United States5465 Posts
On May 18 2010 12:48 phosphorylation wrote: No problem with last few posts. I just hope that you recognize there exists music that can do a lot more than "pump you up before playing sports", make you feel good etc.. and perhaps, sometime, you can spare some time to delve into it. You will be rewarded. Calling the 5th beethoven symphony "pritty shitty." Hmm, it's still pretty damn good in my opinion although, yes, Beethoven has composed more complex and arguably superior works later in his life. I think you are ignoring the repeated argument that just because you feel like the reasons you like the music you like are 'more' important than that of others doesn't make it so, it just makes you condescending. | ||
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JohannesH
Finland1364 Posts
On May 18 2010 11:45 Tal wrote: phosphorylation - it's really comforting to see you fighting the good fight in this thread. For a while it looked like the thread was going to totally disintegrate into 'I like what I what I like and everything's utterly subjective'. Someone said that just because Kant and Adorno said something doesn't mean it's right. Well of course it doesn't. But it's not just them...nearly every philosopher or serious thinker on art puts artists like Shakespeare, Mozart or Picasso far above your average 'pop artists' for many many compelling reasons. I'm happy to make an 'appeal to the authority' of the greatest thinkers in human history - I certainly trust them more then anyone I've met who's still alive. And actually, all the smartest people I've met agree with the philosophers... People describe elitists as very proud people, but I think it's the opposite. I'm rejecting my own pride, and admitting my teenage self was unsurprisingly, very wrong about what the important things in life are. Sticking to my ill-thought out principles would have been stupid. So you let other people decide what artforms are worth your attention on the grounds that they're smart and know better? Thats fucking spineless If you agree with their thoughts on what constitutes worthwhile art, well excellent, but if you're too stupid to make your own call on the matter... Then who are you to judge at all about who is a good authority on the subject What's in it for YOU to follow these Serious Thinkers (whoever they are) on what makes art good? Also - I'm a preetty serious thinker and I'm telling you that Rainbow is far above your average pop artists, so listen to Rainbow | ||
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phosphorylation
United States2935 Posts
Why? Because most composers (who actually devote their lives to creating music) have this goal -- to create good pieces of art, not some musical drug -- in mind when they create their work. Listeners should respect that; and certainly, I do and so did the academics and philosophers over history. | ||
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Lemonwalrus
United States5465 Posts
I wrote out a long response at first, but the above is really the only thing that wasn't beating a dead horse. cheers. | ||
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phosphorylation
United States2935 Posts
On May 18 2010 13:00 JohannesH wrote: So you let other people decide what artforms are worth your attention on the grounds that they're smart and know better? Thats fucking spineless If you agree with their thoughts on what constitutes worthwhile art, well excellent, but if you're too stupid to make your own call on the matter... Then who are you to judge at all about who is a good authority on the subject What's in it for YOU to follow these Serious Thinkers (whoever they are) on what makes art good? Also - I'm a preetty serious thinker and I'm telling you that Rainbow is far above your average pop artists, so listen to Rainbow You actually don't have much of an argument here. If Tal does admit that he is not smart enough to formulate a thorough philosophy/aesthetic judgment on the matter(I don't think he says this but to prove a point) and instead reads and believes the ideas of the famous thinkers, as stupid as he may seem to you, he is still much smarter than the fools who attempt to formulate their own aesthetic theory (and they will usually miss the mark completely) just for the sake of avoiding seeming "spineless." | ||
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