On May 17 2010 20:28 SCC-Faust wrote: This is all opinionated.
Learn what an opinion is. No music is superior because different people enjoy different things. Just like how you probably think receiving anal sex is absolutely inferior to giving anal sex, although some guys tend to disagree. You can't tell them they are wrong because they enjoy something different.
QFT.
It's all about taste. You can't say "X is better than Y" because in someone elses ears it will sound completely different. Going on about your musical expertise is irrelevant. I've played several instruments over the past years but it does not make me more qualified to judge what is good and what is bad.
On May 17 2010 20:24 Wohmfg wrote: This is actually the worst blog I've ever seen.
First of all, you're completely distasteful about a man who has just died and who is obviously well liked by a large amount of people here. You insult him when it is completely unnecessary. I don't care how true it is, you keep that stuff to yourself because it is a horrible thing to say. It serves no purpose.
Then you go on to complain about what is wrong with different genres of music. You can't see past your own view of what you enjoy about music. It's completely ignorant. People like music for different reasons. I listen to/watch k-pop because the girls are hot and the songs are fun. Does that mean I can't enjoy prog rock? No.
You're trying to objectively argue that some music is bad. You can't do that. You can only do that if you set up some completely arbitrary features to judge it on, and therefore your argument completely falls down.
Try and see things from other people's perspectives instead of just judging everything by your set of rules, which hold no more merit than anyone else's.
that's pretty spot on
It's also absolutely retarded to say music like this won't stand the test of time. Of course it will, there will always be people that like this kind of stuff because it's AWESOME, sure classical is nice once in a while, but heavy metal just has it's own kind of magic to it that there is no way you could get from any classical song.
I also laughed at how he called it "music" in quotes, which is pretty accurate, i think good music is anything that can make you happy, and dio makes me happier than any classical stuff so it's therefore better to me.
On May 17 2010 21:14 flamewheel91 wrote: Also people there's no need to be abrasive. He's entitled to his opinion just like we are entitled to ours.
He's shitting on everyone else's opinion based on his personal taste. Being entitled to an opinion is different from broadcasting it over a dead person. OP's contempt is reciprocated.
You know it's funny I didn't see who the OP was before reading the quotes from the other thread and about half the OP. And this meant I totally misread the following:
I apologize for I am about to burst precious little bubbles, but only arrogant tone-deafs could so firmly believe others to be ignorant simply because they do not appreciate certain styles of "music".
What amuses me coming back to it is that the way I initially read it is fine. It can be read both ways. Only someone as 'arrogantly tone-deaf' as the OP could believe others ignorant for not appreciating his belief in what is superior music.
Also the whole analogy between bw and sc2 is pretty bad. Gaming is akin to sports, as eSPORTS is the chosen name. Not eART. Music is often enjoyed because of the emotional response it triggers in the listener, much like any form of art. So comparing music to games is pretty bad. A better example would be to compare masterpieces of films with very popular films (sometimes these are the same of course). But really, a popular blockbuster is trying to achieve a whole different set of goals compared to an art-house movie. Comparing the two, which have such vastly different goals and just happen to be using the same medium, is as silly as comparing Beethoven's Fifth (which is awesome as art) with Kesha's Tik Tok (which is awesome because we got the starcraft parody out of it). No it's awesome because people can play it like alot of K-pop or rock or metal and feel something from it. You don't put classical music on at most parties, it's not going to work.
Anyway I think the OP is mistaking the intentions of the producers of such music, just as he is mistaking why people enjoy these types of music. He should perhaps save such 'contempt and pity' for long diatribes with his 'impressive group of friends' and save the rest of us his bile
On May 17 2010 20:22 Vegetarian Wolf wrote: As someone who listens to both classical music (a lot of it, with a passion) and heavy metal, I regretfully inform you that your opinion is wrong.
I kind of agreed with your point until you said Jay Chou was legit. I lol'ed. What, because he used to play classical piano and cello, it automatically makes him "better?" Terrible, terrible damage.
Agreed. The OP seems like one of those faux hoity toity guys who listen to classical music on super expensive sound systems while drinking wine.
OP, you're an idiot. I'm pretty sure not a single person in the world cares about your taste in music and even though you're free to let us know, it doesn't give you the right of doing so in a thread about the said musician's death. I don't even care if you're an idiot and think your musical taste is superior to anyone else's, just don't be an asshole, okay?
On May 17 2010 20:28 SCC-Faust wrote: This is all opinionated.
Learn what an opinion is. No music is superior because different people enjoy different things. Just like how you probably think receiving anal sex is absolutely inferior to giving anal sex, although some guys tend to disagree. You can't tell them they are wrong because they enjoy something different.
Epic post :D
on topic: Well, classical music is nice and Bethooven is surely great, but neglecting every other kind of music (no matter how inferior it might be) is very limiting and makes you miss on some good stuff.
The only thing I have to agree with is that rap is incredibly dumb. All those cool dudes just make me sick... The only bearable one is Eminem for the reason that he is more of a stand up comedian than a singer.
If Mona Lisa was painted today, do you think it would be the most famous painting in a few hundred years? What about Beethoven? You and your point are dumb.
The only thing worse than a classical music elitist is a metal elitist. But Dio was a fucking baller.
On May 17 2010 19:59 SoManyDeadLings wrote: Let's start with R.A.P. music, but since everyone already knows about the Retards Attempting Poetry, I rest my case.
I'm no hip hop connoisseur but statements like this just...
I'm betting you haven't investigated the genre at all. I put on some Public Enemy just for you, bro.
I guess my point is that the vast majority of popular music will not stand the test of time.
But this isn't news to anyone with the most rudimentary knowledge of music.
On May 17 2010 19:59 SoManyDeadLings wrote: Let's start with R.A.P. music, but since everyone already knows about the Retards Attempting Poetry, I rest my case.
This is the exact moment when I stopped caring about your narrow minded opinion.
Regardless of the quality of music you listen to vs. the general quality of modern pop music (which I agree is poor), you greatly disrespected a man's life work on the day of his death, which is unacceptable.
Not only did you interpret your opinion as the truth, you did it in an absurdly pompous and disrespectful way.
Also, it's worth noting that if you are just trolling, you wasted a much larger portion of your life on it than anyone else in this thread.
i know this sounds excessive but i feel like saying any way of thinking is superior to another way of thinking is superior to another is kind of ridiculous, though there is a certain poetic beauty in accepting certain things as truths.
so i can't agree with your classification of classical music as the uber-genre, but i can respect your willingness to force sweet, beautiful ignorance upon yourself at only the cost of making yourself look like a massively pretentious douche.
Your blog makes as much sense as a rant about which colour is better than which.
You are the contemptible one.
On May 17 2010 21:14 flamewheel91 wrote: Also people there's no need to be abrasive.
o rly
On May 17 2010 19:59 SoManyDeadLings wrote: I lol'ed hard in contempt and pity. arrogant tone-deafs certain upbring instills so much damage on one's ability to appreciate real music
I have to agree with what OP's saying about Dio. It didn't really bother me at all that he died. Sure, a man died, that's all very sad. But 1.8 people die every second, so I'm not going to spend a day mourning about one person who's music I never listened to anyway, just because he's a well known musician.
I do, however, respect that other people are sad because of it. Of course, musicians and actors I really like have died, and I'm saddened because I know they won't make any new great songs, or star in more great movies or TV-series, but that's how life is. I'm pretty sure noone on TL knew Dio personally, and if someone here did: I'm sorry for their loss, because a friend or family member of theirs died, which really sucks for them.
Now, on the music front, I understand what OP's saying. I used to do the same thing, spend all my time at parties trying to make people give jazz and classical music a chance. I mostly don't like today's pop music, rap, rock and metal, but there are of course exceptions. Though from my experience, I'll rarely like a new musician or composer if it's not within my favorite sub-genres of the music I like. I'm then better off not listening to this music, because that'll mean that I'll have to spend most of my time listening to music I don't like - just to have a small chance of maybe finding a new song or artist I'll like.
I mostly listen to jazz, because that's music that I, as a jazz musician and fan can really appreciate. When I sit down and listen to how the great jazz musicians play, I feel all these emotions. I hear all these small strokes of genius in their playing, and understand that they've reached a level of skill few others share, and are able to explore the music as they improvise. While most music is rehearsed, and then played just the way it's written down on a piece of paper (this goes for classical music too), jazz musicians have to work from a starting point, within a large and open frame and explore the music either alone or together. That is what I like about jazz, because I can never know where the music will go. I can also say with absolute certainty that most of today's greatest jazz and classical musicians are among the masters of their instruments, at a much higher level than most pop, rock and metal artists are. This still doesn't make jazz or classical music better than any other genre, because the only person that can say what music is best - in their mind, is people themselves.
You obviously have no idea what rap and hip hop is.
You also obviously have no idea about classical music and are just a huge ... superficial airhead.
I dont see why people care if other people care that someone died. I dont expect you to care when my family members die, they dont have any meaning to you. I dont care about Dio's death, but I'll be sad when Leonard Cohen dies.
Then again, I listen to this song everyday on repeat before I start my day..
Lyrics
In the summertime when the weather is high You can stretch right up and touch the sky When the weather's fine You got women, you got women on your mind Have a drink, have a drive Go out and see what you can find
If her daddy's rich take her out for a meal If her daddy's poor just do what you feel Speed along the lane Do a ton or a ton an' twenty-five When the sun goes down You can make it, make it good in a lay-by
EPT
