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On July 26 2009 19:58 GTR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2009 19:57 damon2400 wrote:
when was the last time there was a tvt final in ANY individual league? a long long long long time last i remember was... ever 2004? oov vs boxer.
I'm excited!
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MrHoon
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Yeahbloodlust just ruined everything. Ogre Magis >>>> paladins in everyway
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On July 26 2009 19:58 Fredflintstone wrote:Now that ritard Jesse is probably thinking 'psh yea i knew Effort wasn't shiiiit'.
LOL
almost made me spew my water
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On July 26 2009 20:00 darktreb wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2009 19:57 keV. wrote:On July 26 2009 19:56 darktreb wrote:On July 26 2009 19:54 MrHoon wrote:On July 26 2009 19:53 keV. wrote:On July 26 2009 19:51 Itachii wrote:On July 26 2009 19:46 Aegraen wrote:On July 26 2009 19:45 Itachii wrote:On July 26 2009 19:42 Aegraen wrote:On July 26 2009 19:40 Plexa wrote:
Iris winning one more game would mean so much more than effort. Let's face it, effort is a fucking monster and will win many more titles and have many more chances at making a title. This is pretty much iris's last chance. After Shinhan 3/Daum he really fucking deserves another crack at a title. Eh? SC2 is coming out shortly. At best, there is only 2 more years for pro SC1. There is going to be so much money in SC2, its going to be ridiculous. you are delusional,balancing SC2 will take months, till then there will be no true pro stuff in it.And keep waiting for it to come, this "soon" is since like 4 months. Some of you are acting like as soon as this SC2 comes out, SC1 will dissapear. If you didn't notice SC1 Pro scene didn't start up when SC hit its balance peak. A lot of you seem to be forgetting this. Also, money speaks. Players will go where the money is, and that will be SC2. How do you know where money will go?Blizzard became GOM sponsor few weeks ago.Sure pro scene didnt start when SC was perfectly balanced like now, but you need this balance to get SC1 pros to SC2.Why move over to inbalanced game when you have all the leagues and set scene for SC?Becouse of better graphics? You are very enthousiastic about SC2 and thats understandable, but dont expect it to take over SC1 like nothing, especially in korea. WC2 battlenet was perfectly balanced too. Orcs >>> Human BLOODLUST IS OP MAN Honestly I think if War2 was a brand new game today, it might be more balanced than we remember. Invisibility just has so much potential. Also Humans dominated sea games in War2 ... the Invisible Transports were basically unstoppable. You guys are SOOO underestimating how good heal was. Wasn't it 6 Mana per HP? Full mana Paladin could only heal like 42 HP or something. Bloodlust cost 50 Mana so you always had it on all your Ogre Magi, didn't have to micro spells in battle (just Bloodlust up beforehand by B doubleclick B doubleclick B doubleclick ...) and it did like 2X or 3X damage I don't even remember.
Dude you could totally 300 style bottleneck in that game. After that orc wouldn't be able to bloodlust up fast enough on D
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MrHoon
10183 Posts
On July 26 2009 20:00 Axidboy wrote:
Iris originally came up as monster TvT befor proving he can play other matchups too, i think finals will be a lot closer than it seems on paper!!
Yeah the TvT lineage was like this
Xellos
Casy
Iris
Flash
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On July 26 2009 19:53 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2009 19:50 Aegraen wrote:On July 26 2009 19:43 Plexa wrote:On July 26 2009 19:42 Aegraen wrote:On July 26 2009 19:40 Plexa wrote:
Iris winning one more game would mean so much more than effort. Let's face it, effort is a fucking monster and will win many more titles and have many more chances at making a title. This is pretty much iris's last chance. After Shinhan 3/Daum he really fucking deserves another crack at a title. Eh? SC2 is coming out shortly. At best, there is only 2 more years for pro SC1. There is going to be so much money in SC2, its going to be ridiculous. What are you talking about  Yes SC2 is coming, but in all likelihood it won't be marketable as an esport product properly until the last expansion. SC will atleast live until then What? It's going to be the biggest E-Sport in the world when it releases. Money speaks. I'll say this again. SC Pro scene started up when the game was fairly new still. Balance wasn't at its peak and it flourished. You don't need the extreme sort of balance of current SC1 to have a competitive thriving Pro Scene. SC already has established sponsors and an established reputation which makes it more attractive to sponsors whereas SC2 is an untested product and you could get another WC3 map altering incident to fix balance happening again Money speaks, and that money probably isn't leaving SC in korea for quite some time.
So, when the whole of Korea is playing SC2 and there is no more young blood for SC you think SC pro scene will survive? You also think that sponsors and corporations are going to pass up an opportunity to be the leaders of the largest, most successful international E-Sport?
SC2 is going to be massive, simply massive. Blizzard is going to pump hundreds of thousands of dollars into SC2. Theres a good chance that Blizzard will try and jumpstart the American E-Sports revolution and its quite possible for an American Proleague. Secondly, GOM will be heavily invested in the International and National Scene and when the corporations and sponsors see the massive success they will instantly jump on board.
Face it, SC1 has at most 2 more years of shelf life. There won't be many more titles to win.
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Pretty funny SDM just took him out of the audience. I am sure SJM had a good time
Wonder if he will get to do a mumbo jumbo!
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poor effort, there goes my liquibet
at least flash gets to face an easier opponent now in his best mu
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MrHoon
10183 Posts
On July 26 2009 20:01 keV. wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2009 20:00 darktreb wrote:On July 26 2009 19:57 keV. wrote:On July 26 2009 19:56 darktreb wrote:On July 26 2009 19:54 MrHoon wrote:On July 26 2009 19:53 keV. wrote:On July 26 2009 19:51 Itachii wrote:On July 26 2009 19:46 Aegraen wrote:On July 26 2009 19:45 Itachii wrote:On July 26 2009 19:42 Aegraen wrote:
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Eh? SC2 is coming out shortly. At best, there is only 2 more years for pro SC1. There is going to be so much money in SC2, its going to be ridiculous. you are delusional,balancing SC2 will take months, till then there will be no true pro stuff in it.And keep waiting for it to come, this "soon" is since like 4 months. Some of you are acting like as soon as this SC2 comes out, SC1 will dissapear. If you didn't notice SC1 Pro scene didn't start up when SC hit its balance peak. A lot of you seem to be forgetting this. Also, money speaks. Players will go where the money is, and that will be SC2. How do you know where money will go?Blizzard became GOM sponsor few weeks ago.Sure pro scene didnt start when SC was perfectly balanced like now, but you need this balance to get SC1 pros to SC2.Why move over to inbalanced game when you have all the leagues and set scene for SC?Becouse of better graphics? You are very enthousiastic about SC2 and thats understandable, but dont expect it to take over SC1 like nothing, especially in korea. WC2 battlenet was perfectly balanced too. Orcs >>> Human BLOODLUST IS OP MAN Honestly I think if War2 was a brand new game today, it might be more balanced than we remember. Invisibility just has so much potential. Also Humans dominated sea games in War2 ... the Invisible Transports were basically unstoppable. You guys are SOOO underestimating how good heal was. Wasn't it 6 Mana per HP? Full mana Paladin could only heal like 42 HP or something. Bloodlust cost 50 Mana so you always had it on all your Ogre Magi, didn't have to micro spells in battle (just Bloodlust up beforehand by B doubleclick B doubleclick B doubleclick ...) and it did like 2X or 3X damage I don't even remember. Dude you could totally 300 style bottleneck in that game. After that orc wouldn't be able to bloodlust up fast enough on D
Theoretically one can just spam Rune onto the Chokepoint instantly killing all paladins
God Rune Spam was so gay
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On July 26 2009 20:01 keV. wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2009 20:00 darktreb wrote:On July 26 2009 19:57 keV. wrote:On July 26 2009 19:56 darktreb wrote:On July 26 2009 19:54 MrHoon wrote:On July 26 2009 19:53 keV. wrote:On July 26 2009 19:51 Itachii wrote:On July 26 2009 19:46 Aegraen wrote:On July 26 2009 19:45 Itachii wrote:On July 26 2009 19:42 Aegraen wrote:
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Eh? SC2 is coming out shortly. At best, there is only 2 more years for pro SC1. There is going to be so much money in SC2, its going to be ridiculous. you are delusional,balancing SC2 will take months, till then there will be no true pro stuff in it.And keep waiting for it to come, this "soon" is since like 4 months. Some of you are acting like as soon as this SC2 comes out, SC1 will dissapear. If you didn't notice SC1 Pro scene didn't start up when SC hit its balance peak. A lot of you seem to be forgetting this. Also, money speaks. Players will go where the money is, and that will be SC2. How do you know where money will go?Blizzard became GOM sponsor few weeks ago.Sure pro scene didnt start when SC was perfectly balanced like now, but you need this balance to get SC1 pros to SC2.Why move over to inbalanced game when you have all the leagues and set scene for SC?Becouse of better graphics? You are very enthousiastic about SC2 and thats understandable, but dont expect it to take over SC1 like nothing, especially in korea. WC2 battlenet was perfectly balanced too. Orcs >>> Human BLOODLUST IS OP MAN Honestly I think if War2 was a brand new game today, it might be more balanced than we remember. Invisibility just has so much potential. Also Humans dominated sea games in War2 ... the Invisible Transports were basically unstoppable. You guys are SOOO underestimating how good heal was. Wasn't it 6 Mana per HP? Full mana Paladin could only heal like 42 HP or something. Bloodlust cost 50 Mana so you always had it on all your Ogre Magi, didn't have to micro spells in battle (just Bloodlust up beforehand by B doubleclick B doubleclick B doubleclick ...) and it did like 2X or 3X damage I don't even remember. Dude you could totally 300 style bottleneck in that game. After that orc wouldn't be able to bloodlust up fast enough on D
I don't remember bottlenecks working that well ... by the time you get Heal, Death and Decay wasn't too far away and that singlehandedly eliminated the concept of a "contain" in every way.
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WC2 BNE was so damn good. I played the shit out of that game...
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On July 26 2009 20:02 MrHoon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2009 20:01 keV. wrote:On July 26 2009 20:00 darktreb wrote:On July 26 2009 19:57 keV. wrote:On July 26 2009 19:56 darktreb wrote:On July 26 2009 19:54 MrHoon wrote:On July 26 2009 19:53 keV. wrote:On July 26 2009 19:51 Itachii wrote:On July 26 2009 19:46 Aegraen wrote:On July 26 2009 19:45 Itachii wrote:
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you are delusional,balancing SC2 will take months, till then there will be no true pro stuff in it.And keep waiting for it to come, this "soon" is since like 4 months.
Some of you are acting like as soon as this SC2 comes out, SC1 will dissapear. If you didn't notice SC1 Pro scene didn't start up when SC hit its balance peak. A lot of you seem to be forgetting this. Also, money speaks. Players will go where the money is, and that will be SC2. How do you know where money will go?Blizzard became GOM sponsor few weeks ago.Sure pro scene didnt start when SC was perfectly balanced like now, but you need this balance to get SC1 pros to SC2.Why move over to inbalanced game when you have all the leagues and set scene for SC?Becouse of better graphics? You are very enthousiastic about SC2 and thats understandable, but dont expect it to take over SC1 like nothing, especially in korea. WC2 battlenet was perfectly balanced too. Orcs >>> Human BLOODLUST IS OP MAN Honestly I think if War2 was a brand new game today, it might be more balanced than we remember. Invisibility just has so much potential. Also Humans dominated sea games in War2 ... the Invisible Transports were basically unstoppable. You guys are SOOO underestimating how good heal was. Wasn't it 6 Mana per HP? Full mana Paladin could only heal like 42 HP or something. Bloodlust cost 50 Mana so you always had it on all your Ogre Magi, didn't have to micro spells in battle (just Bloodlust up beforehand by B doubleclick B doubleclick B doubleclick ...) and it did like 2X or 3X damage I don't even remember. Dude you could totally 300 style bottleneck in that game. After that orc wouldn't be able to bloodlust up fast enough on D Theoretically one can just spam Rune onto the Chokepoint instantly killing all paladins God Rune Spam was so gay
Ohh yeah haha almost forgot about Rune! The grandfather of Spider Mines haha!
Ogre Magi definitely rocked Paladins. But Mages were way better than Death Knights because of Invis and the lack of Exorcism.
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On July 26 2009 20:02 darktreb wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2009 20:01 keV. wrote:On July 26 2009 20:00 darktreb wrote:On July 26 2009 19:57 keV. wrote:On July 26 2009 19:56 darktreb wrote:On July 26 2009 19:54 MrHoon wrote:On July 26 2009 19:53 keV. wrote:On July 26 2009 19:51 Itachii wrote:On July 26 2009 19:46 Aegraen wrote:On July 26 2009 19:45 Itachii wrote:
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you are delusional,balancing SC2 will take months, till then there will be no true pro stuff in it.And keep waiting for it to come, this "soon" is since like 4 months.
Some of you are acting like as soon as this SC2 comes out, SC1 will dissapear. If you didn't notice SC1 Pro scene didn't start up when SC hit its balance peak. A lot of you seem to be forgetting this. Also, money speaks. Players will go where the money is, and that will be SC2. How do you know where money will go?Blizzard became GOM sponsor few weeks ago.Sure pro scene didnt start when SC was perfectly balanced like now, but you need this balance to get SC1 pros to SC2.Why move over to inbalanced game when you have all the leagues and set scene for SC?Becouse of better graphics? You are very enthousiastic about SC2 and thats understandable, but dont expect it to take over SC1 like nothing, especially in korea. WC2 battlenet was perfectly balanced too. Orcs >>> Human BLOODLUST IS OP MAN Honestly I think if War2 was a brand new game today, it might be more balanced than we remember. Invisibility just has so much potential. Also Humans dominated sea games in War2 ... the Invisible Transports were basically unstoppable. You guys are SOOO underestimating how good heal was. Wasn't it 6 Mana per HP? Full mana Paladin could only heal like 42 HP or something. Bloodlust cost 50 Mana so you always had it on all your Ogre Magi, didn't have to micro spells in battle (just Bloodlust up beforehand by B doubleclick B doubleclick B doubleclick ...) and it did like 2X or 3X damage I don't even remember. Dude you could totally 300 style bottleneck in that game. After that orc wouldn't be able to bloodlust up fast enough on D I don't remember bottlenecks working that well ... by the time you get Heal, Death and Decay wasn't too far away and that singlehandedly eliminated the concept of a "contain" in every way.
Well, regardless this went from Orge Mag v Paladin to meta game theory crafting and I don't want to start that shit. The point is, I think pros will go to where the money is.
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On July 26 2009 20:01 Aegraen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2009 19:53 Plexa wrote:On July 26 2009 19:50 Aegraen wrote:On July 26 2009 19:43 Plexa wrote:On July 26 2009 19:42 Aegraen wrote:On July 26 2009 19:40 Plexa wrote:
Iris winning one more game would mean so much more than effort. Let's face it, effort is a fucking monster and will win many more titles and have many more chances at making a title. This is pretty much iris's last chance. After Shinhan 3/Daum he really fucking deserves another crack at a title. Eh? SC2 is coming out shortly. At best, there is only 2 more years for pro SC1. There is going to be so much money in SC2, its going to be ridiculous. What are you talking about Yes SC2 is coming, but in all likelihood it won't be marketable as an esport product properly until the last expansion. SC will atleast live until then What? It's going to be the biggest E-Sport in the world when it releases. Money speaks. I'll say this again. SC Pro scene started up when the game was fairly new still. Balance wasn't at its peak and it flourished. You don't need the extreme sort of balance of current SC1 to have a competitive thriving Pro Scene. SC already has established sponsors and an established reputation which makes it more attractive to sponsors whereas SC2 is an untested product and you could get another WC3 map altering incident to fix balance happening again Money speaks, and that money probably isn't leaving SC in korea for quite some time. So, when the whole of Korea is playing SC2 and there is no more young blood for SC you think SC pro scene will survive? You also think that sponsors and corporations are going to pass up an opportunity to be the leaders of the largest, most successful international E-Sport? SC2 is going to be massive, simply massive. Blizzard is going to pump hundreds of thousands of dollars into SC2. Theres a good chance that Blizzard will try and jumpstart the American E-Sports revolution and its quite possible for an American Proleague. Secondly, GOM will be heavily invested in the International and National Scene and when the corporations and sponsors see the massive success they will instantly jump on board. Face it, SC1 has at most 2 more years of shelf life. There won't be many more titles to win.
someone is really going to be dissapointed
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On July 26 2009 20:04 keV. wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2009 20:02 darktreb wrote:On July 26 2009 20:01 keV. wrote:On July 26 2009 20:00 darktreb wrote:On July 26 2009 19:57 keV. wrote:On July 26 2009 19:56 darktreb wrote:On July 26 2009 19:54 MrHoon wrote:On July 26 2009 19:53 keV. wrote:On July 26 2009 19:51 Itachii wrote:On July 26 2009 19:46 Aegraen wrote:
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If you didn't notice SC1 Pro scene didn't start up when SC hit its balance peak. A lot of you seem to be forgetting this. Also, money speaks. Players will go where the money is, and that will be SC2. How do you know where money will go?Blizzard became GOM sponsor few weeks ago.Sure pro scene didnt start when SC was perfectly balanced like now, but you need this balance to get SC1 pros to SC2.Why move over to inbalanced game when you have all the leagues and set scene for SC?Becouse of better graphics? You are very enthousiastic about SC2 and thats understandable, but dont expect it to take over SC1 like nothing, especially in korea. WC2 battlenet was perfectly balanced too. Orcs >>> Human BLOODLUST IS OP MAN Honestly I think if War2 was a brand new game today, it might be more balanced than we remember. Invisibility just has so much potential. Also Humans dominated sea games in War2 ... the Invisible Transports were basically unstoppable. You guys are SOOO underestimating how good heal was. Wasn't it 6 Mana per HP? Full mana Paladin could only heal like 42 HP or something. Bloodlust cost 50 Mana so you always had it on all your Ogre Magi, didn't have to micro spells in battle (just Bloodlust up beforehand by B doubleclick B doubleclick B doubleclick ...) and it did like 2X or 3X damage I don't even remember. Dude you could totally 300 style bottleneck in that game. After that orc wouldn't be able to bloodlust up fast enough on D I don't remember bottlenecks working that well ... by the time you get Heal, Death and Decay wasn't too far away and that singlehandedly eliminated the concept of a "contain" in every way. Well, regardless this went from Orge Mag v Paladin to meta game theory crafting and I don't want to start that shit. The point is, I think pros will go to where the money is.
Haha ok fair enough. As my parting comment, I did actually play Human primarily and liked it more. But man, Bloodlust was good....
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On July 26 2009 20:05 Itachii wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2009 20:01 Aegraen wrote:On July 26 2009 19:53 Plexa wrote:On July 26 2009 19:50 Aegraen wrote:On July 26 2009 19:43 Plexa wrote:On July 26 2009 19:42 Aegraen wrote:On July 26 2009 19:40 Plexa wrote:
Iris winning one more game would mean so much more than effort. Let's face it, effort is a fucking monster and will win many more titles and have many more chances at making a title. This is pretty much iris's last chance. After Shinhan 3/Daum he really fucking deserves another crack at a title. Eh? SC2 is coming out shortly. At best, there is only 2 more years for pro SC1. There is going to be so much money in SC2, its going to be ridiculous. What are you talking about Yes SC2 is coming, but in all likelihood it won't be marketable as an esport product properly until the last expansion. SC will atleast live until then What? It's going to be the biggest E-Sport in the world when it releases. Money speaks. I'll say this again. SC Pro scene started up when the game was fairly new still. Balance wasn't at its peak and it flourished. You don't need the extreme sort of balance of current SC1 to have a competitive thriving Pro Scene. SC already has established sponsors and an established reputation which makes it more attractive to sponsors whereas SC2 is an untested product and you could get another WC3 map altering incident to fix balance happening again Money speaks, and that money probably isn't leaving SC in korea for quite some time. So, when the whole of Korea is playing SC2 and there is no more young blood for SC you think SC pro scene will survive? You also think that sponsors and corporations are going to pass up an opportunity to be the leaders of the largest, most successful international E-Sport? SC2 is going to be massive, simply massive. Blizzard is going to pump hundreds of thousands of dollars into SC2. Theres a good chance that Blizzard will try and jumpstart the American E-Sports revolution and its quite possible for an American Proleague. Secondly, GOM will be heavily invested in the International and National Scene and when the corporations and sponsors see the massive success they will instantly jump on board. Face it, SC1 has at most 2 more years of shelf life. There won't be many more titles to win. someone is really going to be dissapointed
Someone is totally going to eat his words.
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Iris crushed effort ^^;
I hope to see more of SJM in the future.
Game 2 when SDM was going crazy and he just blurts out that he doesn't remember SJM's name was just hilarious. :>
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On July 26 2009 20:06 tyreek wrote:
Iris crushed effort ^^;
I hope to see more of SJM in the future.
Game 2 when SDM was going crazy and he just blurts out that he doesn't remember SJM's name was just hilarious. :>
that was pretty insulting -__- how can you forget your co-hosts name.
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On July 26 2009 20:06 keV. wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2009 20:05 Itachii wrote:On July 26 2009 20:01 Aegraen wrote:On July 26 2009 19:53 Plexa wrote:On July 26 2009 19:50 Aegraen wrote:On July 26 2009 19:43 Plexa wrote:On July 26 2009 19:42 Aegraen wrote:On July 26 2009 19:40 Plexa wrote:
Iris winning one more game would mean so much more than effort. Let's face it, effort is a fucking monster and will win many more titles and have many more chances at making a title. This is pretty much iris's last chance. After Shinhan 3/Daum he really fucking deserves another crack at a title. Eh? SC2 is coming out shortly. At best, there is only 2 more years for pro SC1. There is going to be so much money in SC2, its going to be ridiculous. What are you talking about Yes SC2 is coming, but in all likelihood it won't be marketable as an esport product properly until the last expansion. SC will atleast live until then What? It's going to be the biggest E-Sport in the world when it releases. Money speaks. I'll say this again. SC Pro scene started up when the game was fairly new still. Balance wasn't at its peak and it flourished. You don't need the extreme sort of balance of current SC1 to have a competitive thriving Pro Scene. SC already has established sponsors and an established reputation which makes it more attractive to sponsors whereas SC2 is an untested product and you could get another WC3 map altering incident to fix balance happening again Money speaks, and that money probably isn't leaving SC in korea for quite some time. So, when the whole of Korea is playing SC2 and there is no more young blood for SC you think SC pro scene will survive? You also think that sponsors and corporations are going to pass up an opportunity to be the leaders of the largest, most successful international E-Sport? SC2 is going to be massive, simply massive. Blizzard is going to pump hundreds of thousands of dollars into SC2. Theres a good chance that Blizzard will try and jumpstart the American E-Sports revolution and its quite possible for an American Proleague. Secondly, GOM will be heavily invested in the International and National Scene and when the corporations and sponsors see the massive success they will instantly jump on board. Face it, SC1 has at most 2 more years of shelf life. There won't be many more titles to win. someone is really going to be dissapointed Someone is totally going to eat his words.
send me pm with this post 2 months... hell even half a year after SC2 is out and lets see how pro scene set in it
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