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FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11567 Posts
July 26 2009 05:26 GMT
#761
On July 26 2009 14:24 Machine[eh] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2009 14:18 JWD wrote:
Much best have something creative planned here, because there is just no way he can keep up with JB in a straight up PvP...


Much went standard against Stork yesterday even though Stork has a 60% win-rate vs P.

So Much might go standard again seeing as he and Jangbi both have 50% win-rate vs P.


it has nothing to do with winrate. Jangbi is just a macro monster and much really can't compete with that sadly
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
July 26 2009 05:26 GMT
#762
On July 26 2009 14:25 integral wrote:
Effort with the SLIGHTEST of smiles as they cheer for him, haha


cj face ^^
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On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
July 26 2009 05:26 GMT
#763
The thumbs down by effort pretty much just karmically doomed CJ to lose 4-1 :D.
ZeitgeistMovie
Profile Joined March 2009
144 Posts
July 26 2009 05:26 GMT
#764
FBH and/or Juni have to be heros today. They need to seal the deal.
The Venus Project - A resource-based economy, like SC
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
July 26 2009 05:26 GMT
#765
On July 26 2009 14:22 QuakerOats wrote:
I don't understand why great didn't just attack the drones instead of attacking the hatchery in the beginning.


I'm guessing it is because you can normally take out the hatchery in a 9pool vs 12hatch situation. However the rush distances on this map don't allow for that to happen so um I'm not sure what he was thinking
Speake
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States494 Posts
July 26 2009 05:26 GMT
#766
On July 26 2009 14:23 GHOSTCLAW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2009 14:22 QuakerOats wrote:
I don't understand why great didn't just attack the drones instead of attacking the hatchery in the beginning.


he was probably taught that the lings must be doing dps. that's kind of a random guess, but it's the only think that i can think of that would explain why he chose to attack what he did.


Attacking the drones is a good way to take unecessary damage while also NOT trapping lings at effort's nat, which is why almost always those lings go for the hat rather than the main.
tQ.Speake
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3019 Posts
July 26 2009 05:26 GMT
#767
This strat appears to be completely viable in ZvZ on maps like Heartbreak (and Medusa comes to mind as well) where you can effectively block runbys without too much difficulty.

In the hands of a great Z with perfect mechanics and multitasking, you can get a huge advantage continuously pressing a 1 Hatch opponent with small groups (or even single) of Lings thanks to your 2 Hatch advantage and base defense.

Key is to not make any mistakes and allow a runby, and to keep sneaking units into your opponent's base until you get your Spire and end it with the Larva advantage.
Refrige
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States179 Posts
July 26 2009 05:28 GMT
#768
On July 26 2009 14:26 FragKrag wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2009 14:24 Machine[eh] wrote:
On July 26 2009 14:18 JWD wrote:
Much best have something creative planned here, because there is just no way he can keep up with JB in a straight up PvP...


Much went standard against Stork yesterday even though Stork has a 60% win-rate vs P.

So Much might go standard again seeing as he and Jangbi both have 50% win-rate vs P.


it has nothing to do with winrate. Jangbi is just a macro monster and much really can't compete with that sadly


yeah and tbh, Bisu's mainly responsible for Jangbi's relatively low vP win rate
GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
July 26 2009 05:28 GMT
#769
On July 26 2009 14:26 darktreb wrote:
This strat appears to be completely viable in ZvZ on maps like Heartbreak (and Medusa comes to mind as well) where you can effectively block runbys without too much difficulty.

In the hands of a great Z with perfect mechanics and multitasking, you can get a huge advantage continuously pressing a 1 Hatch opponent with small groups (or even single) of Lings thanks to your 2 Hatch advantage and base defense.

Key is to not make any mistakes and allow a runby, and to keep sneaking units into your opponent's base until you get your Spire and end it with the Larva advantage.


the pathing is a ton shorter on medusa than on heartbreak ridge.

the mechanics and multitasking is starting to come to every player now (in zvz) - the decisionmaking about the build order, and what players think that they can execute feels different for every zerg player.
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JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-26 05:29:17
July 26 2009 05:28 GMT
#770
On July 26 2009 14:26 GHOSTCLAW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2009 14:24 JWD wrote:
On July 26 2009 14:18 uriden wrote:
Wow, an interesting ZvZ for once!

Dude...there have been so many great ZvZs lately. Pretty much all of Effort's ZvZs in PL playoffs have been amazing...also Kwanro vs. Zero in MSL was sick.

Jaedong and Zerg-heavy maps (Battle Royale, RAII) have totally changed ZvZ over the past year and a half or so. This matchup is now a far cry from the BO-determined "whoever has more mutas at X:XX wins" games of a few years back. New levels of micro and tactics have made ZvZ more sophisticated, and more enjoyable to watch, than ever.


it's finally starting to turn into a matchup where the more skilled player wins. The thinking depth got a ton harder imo, and, just like the other mirrors, requires making the right choice of build against the opponent and the map.

Also I feel that the best ZvZ players have differentiated themselves by being able to adapt to unfavorable BO choices with unprecedented success. This game was a perfect example — Effort proved that smart, practiced choices (pulling drones) and superior micro are enough to defeat 9pool with 12hatch.
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Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
July 26 2009 05:28 GMT
#771
On July 26 2009 14:18 Mah Buckit! wrote:
The thing is, great got NO kills with those early lings but lost 2-3 to drones...

By "no" do you mean "some"? Because otherwise I call bullshit.
brood war for life, brood war forever
food
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1951 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-26 05:32:23
July 26 2009 05:28 GMT
#772
for some reason many people think 9 pool is an instawin vs 12 hat
it has to be played out perfectly, i think you supposed to bring a drone to opponents expo so you can sunk instantly before lings come out.. it can be defended either way, 9 pool supposed to come out ahead but that doesnt always happen
Can someone ban this guy please? FA?
baeracaed
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States604 Posts
July 26 2009 05:29 GMT
#773
I will never understand people getting worked up when the players show some life, like showing a thumbs down or taunting the other team. Mostly because the huge group of jaded fucks that call these professionals "the worst ever", or "they need to quit", or that they "sucks ass". I guess it's two different groups of people, though.
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MuffinDude
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3837 Posts
July 26 2009 05:29 GMT
#774
Jangbi's pvp is at 50%, but as I said many times in the past, he is like 4 - 8 against bisu. 33.33%! Of the 65 games he played, 12 of them were against bisu. So 1/6 of his pvps were against bisu, which lowers his pvp by a lot. If you look at his record, he has a winning record against most other protosses except maybe like best.
Zerg can be so abusive sometimes | third member of the "loli is not a crime club" PM konadora to join!
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
July 26 2009 05:29 GMT
#775
Much at bottom in purple
Jangbi at top in teal
Destination
brood war for life, brood war forever
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27179 Posts
July 26 2009 05:29 GMT
#776
Much = purple toss
Jangbi = teal toss
ModeratorGodfather
GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
July 26 2009 05:29 GMT
#777
and here we go, wich much in purple at bottom, jangbi in teal at top
PhotographerLiquipedia. Drop me a pm if you've got questions/need help.
saikeraku
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada2933 Posts
July 26 2009 05:30 GMT
#778
Go Jangbi go.
usopsama
Profile Joined April 2008
6502 Posts
July 26 2009 05:30 GMT
#779
Get us a 3-1, Jangbi.
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27179 Posts
July 26 2009 05:30 GMT
#780
Both with the first pylon in their base.
ModeratorGodfather
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