Much went standard against Stork yesterday even though Stork has a 60% win-rate vs P.

So Much might go standard again seeing as he and Jangbi both have 50% win-rate vs P.

it has nothing to do with winrate. Jangbi is just a macro monster and much really can't compete with that sadly

GHOSTCLAW

United States17042 Posts

July 26 2009 05:26 GMT

#762

On July 26 2009 14:25 integral wrote:
Effort with the SLIGHTEST of smiles as they cheer for him, haha

cj face ^^

On_Slaught

United States12190 Posts

July 26 2009 05:26 GMT

#763

The thumbs down by effort pretty much just karmically doomed CJ to lose 4-1 :D.

ZeitgeistMovie

144 Posts

July 26 2009 05:26 GMT

#764

FBH and/or Juni have to be heros today. They need to seal the deal.

knyttym

United States5797 Posts

July 26 2009 05:26 GMT

#765

On July 26 2009 14:22 QuakerOats wrote:
I don't understand why great didn't just attack the drones instead of attacking the hatchery in the beginning.

I'm guessing it is because you can normally take out the hatchery in a 9pool vs 12hatch situation. However the rush distances on this map don't allow for that to happen so um I'm not sure what he was thinking

Speake

United States494 Posts

July 26 2009 05:26 GMT

#766

On July 26 2009 14:23 GHOSTCLAW wrote:

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he was probably taught that the lings must be doing dps. that's kind of a random guess, but it's the only think that i can think of that would explain why he chose to attack what he did.

Attacking the drones is a good way to take unecessary damage while also NOT trapping lings at effort's nat, which is why almost always those lings go for the hat rather than the main.

darktreb

United States3016 Posts

July 26 2009 05:26 GMT

#767

This strat appears to be completely viable in ZvZ on maps like Heartbreak (and Medusa comes to mind as well) where you can effectively block runbys without too much difficulty.

In the hands of a great Z with perfect mechanics and multitasking, you can get a huge advantage continuously pressing a 1 Hatch opponent with small groups (or even single) of Lings thanks to your 2 Hatch advantage and base defense.

Key is to not make any mistakes and allow a runby, and to keep sneaking units into your opponent's base until you get your Spire and end it with the Larva advantage.

Refrige

United States179 Posts

July 26 2009 05:28 GMT

#768

On July 26 2009 14:26 FragKrag wrote:

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it has nothing to do with winrate. Jangbi is just a macro monster and much really can't compete with that sadly

yeah and tbh, Bisu's mainly responsible for Jangbi's relatively low vP win rate

GHOSTCLAW

United States17042 Posts

July 26 2009 05:28 GMT

#769

On July 26 2009 14:26 darktreb wrote:
This strat appears to be completely viable in ZvZ on maps like Heartbreak (and Medusa comes to mind as well) where you can effectively block runbys without too much difficulty.

In the hands of a great Z with perfect mechanics and multitasking, you can get a huge advantage continuously pressing a 1 Hatch opponent with small groups (or even single) of Lings thanks to your 2 Hatch advantage and base defense.

Key is to not make any mistakes and allow a runby, and to keep sneaking units into your opponent's base until you get your Spire and end it with the Larva advantage.

the pathing is a ton shorter on medusa than on heartbreak ridge.

the mechanics and multitasking is starting to come to every player now (in zvz) - the decisionmaking about the build order, and what players think that they can execute feels different for every zerg player.

JWD

United States12607 Posts

July 26 2009 05:28 GMT

#770

On July 26 2009 14:26 GHOSTCLAW wrote:

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it's finally starting to turn into a matchup where the more skilled player wins. The thinking depth got a ton harder imo, and, just like the other mirrors, requires making the right choice of build against the opponent and the map.

Also I feel that the best ZvZ players have differentiated themselves by being able to adapt to unfavorable BO choices with unprecedented success. This game was a perfect example — Effort proved that smart, practiced choices (pulling drones) and superior micro are enough to defeat 9pool with 12hatch.

Crunchums

United States11144 Posts

July 26 2009 05:28 GMT

#771

On July 26 2009 14:18 Mah Buckit! wrote:
The thing is, great got NO kills with those early lings but lost 2-3 to drones...

By "no" do you mean "some"? Because otherwise I call bullshit.

food

United States1951 Posts

July 26 2009 05:28 GMT

#772

for some reason many people think 9 pool is an instawin vs 12 hat
it has to be played out perfectly, i think you supposed to bring a drone to opponents expo so you can sunk instantly before lings come out.. it can be defended either way, 9 pool supposed to come out ahead but that doesnt always happen

baeracaed

United States604 Posts

July 26 2009 05:29 GMT

#773

I will never understand people getting worked up when the players show some life, like showing a thumbs down or taunting the other team. Mostly because the huge group of jaded fucks that call these professionals "the worst ever", or "they need to quit", or that they "sucks ass". I guess it's two different groups of people, though.

MuffinDude

United States3837 Posts

July 26 2009 05:29 GMT

#774

Jangbi's pvp is at 50%, but as I said many times in the past, he is like 4 - 8 against bisu. 33.33%! Of the 65 games he played, 12 of them were against bisu. So 1/6 of his pvps were against bisu, which lowers his pvp by a lot. If you look at his record, he has a winning record against most other protosses except maybe like best.