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Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
July 26 2009 05:30 GMT
#781
what? Much builds his 1st pylon in his main?!

Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27149 Posts
July 26 2009 05:31 GMT
#782
Jangbi heads out, checks for nat cheese, now heading south. Much heading north as well at the same time.

Much with gate / gas, Jangbi with the same.
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darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3016 Posts
July 26 2009 05:31 GMT
#783
On July 26 2009 14:28 GHOSTCLAW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2009 14:26 darktreb wrote:
This strat appears to be completely viable in ZvZ on maps like Heartbreak (and Medusa comes to mind as well) where you can effectively block runbys without too much difficulty.

In the hands of a great Z with perfect mechanics and multitasking, you can get a huge advantage continuously pressing a 1 Hatch opponent with small groups (or even single) of Lings thanks to your 2 Hatch advantage and base defense.

Key is to not make any mistakes and allow a runby, and to keep sneaking units into your opponent's base until you get your Spire and end it with the Larva advantage.


the pathing is a ton shorter on medusa than on heartbreak ridge.

the mechanics and multitasking is starting to come to every player now (in zvz) - the decisionmaking about the build order, and what players think that they can execute feels different for every zerg player.


You're right - you'll lose to a 9 pool under most circumstances on Medusa. But in other situations maybe not.

On Heartbreak it's a lot safer in general but even then Effort had to walk a tight rope (and Great might have won with 9 Pool speed instead).
usopsama
Profile Joined April 2008
6502 Posts
July 26 2009 05:31 GMT
#784
Jangbi, do some manner pylons, yo.
GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
July 26 2009 05:31 GMT
#785
jangbi checks for the proxy, much is trying to go for the manner pylon, but jangbi just stops a probe there to prevent it.
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Titusmaster6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5937 Posts
July 26 2009 05:31 GMT
#786
Fate has smiled upon Much, purple is the power color for pvp.

Just check the Stork vs. Bisu series
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Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27149 Posts
July 26 2009 05:32 GMT
#787
Cores are up, but with anti-manner pylons in their mineral lines.
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Mystlord *
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10264 Posts
July 26 2009 05:32 GMT
#788
IMPOSSIBLE STANDARD PLAY FROM BOTH!!!

No manner pylons either.

anti manner pylon in Much's base though, and same for Jangbi.

Much getting one zealot before core, and JangBi is doing the same.
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JIJIyO
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1957 Posts
July 26 2009 05:32 GMT
#789
Just got here...........COME ON CJ YOU CAN DO THIS!!
KT_Violet
GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
July 26 2009 05:32 GMT
#790
antimanner pylon for much, core timing is exactly the same for both players.
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TheFallofTroy
Profile Joined May 2009
Canada780 Posts
July 26 2009 05:32 GMT
#791
On July 26 2009 14:29 MuffinDude wrote:
Jangbi's pvp is at 50%, but as I said many times in the past, he is like 4 - 8 against bisu. 33.33%! Of the 65 games he played, 12 of them were against bisu. So 1/6 of his pvps were against bisu, which lowers his pvp by a lot. If you look at his record, he has a winning record against most other protosses except maybe like best.


Much has a record of 3-8 vs Bisu so I am not really sure what point you are trying to make here. And to be honest I am guessing most players have a losing record against Bisu.
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Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27149 Posts
July 26 2009 05:33 GMT
#792
Core spinning for Jangbi as a zealot chases around Much's probe. Much opts for a second gateway.
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GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
July 26 2009 05:33 GMT
#793
2 gate goon for much, scouted by jangbi, much is getting later range, jangbi is getting later gate.
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Heaven_n
Profile Joined April 2009
Mexico170 Posts
July 26 2009 05:33 GMT
#794
much delays tech a bit to get his first zlot out earlier janbi doesnt and gets it after core
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Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27149 Posts
July 26 2009 05:33 GMT
#795
Both scouting probes are dead. Jangbi out to expand now.
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GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
July 26 2009 05:33 GMT
#796
jangbi kills much's scouting probe before jangbi's dies.
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GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
July 26 2009 05:34 GMT
#797
jangbi expands, with 2 goons , zeal, and core spinning, much has 3 goons and a zeal, but no range.
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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66183 Posts
July 26 2009 05:34 GMT
#798
Jangbi has expo being built
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Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
July 26 2009 05:34 GMT
#799
On July 26 2009 14:32 Machine[eh] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2009 14:29 MuffinDude wrote:
Jangbi's pvp is at 50%, but as I said many times in the past, he is like 4 - 8 against bisu. 33.33%! Of the 65 games he played, 12 of them were against bisu. So 1/6 of his pvps were against bisu, which lowers his pvp by a lot. If you look at his record, he has a winning record against most other protosses except maybe like best.


Much has a record of 3-8 vs Bisu so I am not really sure what point you are trying to make here. And to be honest I am guessing most players have a losing record against Bisu.

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ZeitgeistMovie
Profile Joined March 2009
144 Posts
July 26 2009 05:34 GMT
#800
Didn't Jangbi see the 2gate? Is early expo safe against 2gate on desti? Because of the bridge?
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