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On July 18 2009 14:26 ZeitgeistMovie wrote: He got lucky (unscouted 2 fact push), plus the map is super imba. Low ground base FTL.
nothing wrong with the map, byzantium is pretty much the same as shades and i dont see anyone complaining about it.
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On July 18 2009 14:23 tedster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2009 14:22 Nevuk wrote: If stork had semi-contained the terran with his initial goons, that push wouldn't have worked nearly as well (could've kited the rines and vults all the way to his main). He couldnt do this because he ate that mine early on and had half-hp goons across the board, the two tanks would have ripped them apart. I meant that he should've moved out with his first goon really. Might not have changed the result of the game, but would've given him more warning that something was up.
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On July 18 2009 14:27 GTR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2009 14:26 ZeitgeistMovie wrote: He got lucky (unscouted 2 fact push), plus the map is super imba. Low ground base FTL. nothing wrong with the map, byzantium is pretty much the same as shades and i dont see anyone complaining about it. byzantium is MUCH, much easier to stop a two fact push
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On July 18 2009 14:28 Nevuk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2009 14:23 tedster wrote:On July 18 2009 14:22 Nevuk wrote: If stork had semi-contained the terran with his initial goons, that push wouldn't have worked nearly as well (could've kited the rines and vults all the way to his main). He couldnt do this because he ate that mine early on and had half-hp goons across the board, the two tanks would have ripped them apart. I meant that he should've moved out with his first goon really. Might not have changed the result of the game, but would've given him more warning that something was up. i agree. just pressuring and annoying him with a dragoon or two (jangbi does this often and well) can help surprisingly a lot. i guess stork played it TOO safely
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lol everyone stop bitching about map imbalance. Just appreciate that you
1) Saw a two fact, which NEVER happens 2) Saw stork fail miserably and embarrassingly, which is always delicious.
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Calm is 7-1 vs. Samsung KHAN opponents in Proleague play in the 2008-2009 season, his only loss being an ace match loss to Hades in R4.
Just figured I'd put that out there.
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On July 18 2009 14:31 OneOther wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2009 14:28 Nevuk wrote:On July 18 2009 14:23 tedster wrote:On July 18 2009 14:22 Nevuk wrote: If stork had semi-contained the terran with his initial goons, that push wouldn't have worked nearly as well (could've kited the rines and vults all the way to his main). He couldnt do this because he ate that mine early on and had half-hp goons across the board, the two tanks would have ripped them apart. I meant that he should've moved out with his first goon really. Might not have changed the result of the game, but would've given him more warning that something was up. i agree. just pressuring and annoying him with a dragoon or two (jangbi does this often and well) can help surprisingly a lot. i guess stork played it TOO safely I also think he should've canceled his nexus and thrown down a third gateway. I don't really disagree with anything else he did that game though.
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that 2 fact was 100% awesome.
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No wonder he was put out against Stork. He was training all week for that shitty 2 fact trash-of-a-push into the small choke of the natural. Once he took control of that, there's basically no way for toss to come out.
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On July 18 2009 14:33 Nevuk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2009 14:31 OneOther wrote:On July 18 2009 14:28 Nevuk wrote:On July 18 2009 14:23 tedster wrote:On July 18 2009 14:22 Nevuk wrote: If stork had semi-contained the terran with his initial goons, that push wouldn't have worked nearly as well (could've kited the rines and vults all the way to his main). He couldnt do this because he ate that mine early on and had half-hp goons across the board, the two tanks would have ripped them apart. I meant that he should've moved out with his first goon really. Might not have changed the result of the game, but would've given him more warning that something was up. i agree. just pressuring and annoying him with a dragoon or two (jangbi does this often and well) can help surprisingly a lot. i guess stork played it TOO safely I also think he should've canceled his nexus and thrown down a third gateway. I don't really disagree with anything else he did that game though. i missed this in the game but wasn't the nexus finished before the push arrived? i thought he went one gate robo expo, but exactly sure
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On July 18 2009 14:22 tedster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2009 14:20 Shivaz wrote: wtf, i ranked stork winning as my most confident. i was like lol who is this last guy Stork EZ NEVER bet on stork in an individual game/set, there is literally no way to predict if he will even show up to a match So we dont bet the match when Stork plays, true? :D
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On July 18 2009 14:35 OneOther wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2009 14:33 Nevuk wrote:On July 18 2009 14:31 OneOther wrote:On July 18 2009 14:28 Nevuk wrote:On July 18 2009 14:23 tedster wrote:On July 18 2009 14:22 Nevuk wrote: If stork had semi-contained the terran with his initial goons, that push wouldn't have worked nearly as well (could've kited the rines and vults all the way to his main). He couldnt do this because he ate that mine early on and had half-hp goons across the board, the two tanks would have ripped them apart. I meant that he should've moved out with his first goon really. Might not have changed the result of the game, but would've given him more warning that something was up. i agree. just pressuring and annoying him with a dragoon or two (jangbi does this often and well) can help surprisingly a lot. i guess stork played it TOO safely I also think he should've canceled his nexus and thrown down a third gateway. I don't really disagree with anything else he did that game though. i missed this in the game but wasn't the nexus finished before the push arrived? i thought he went one gate robo expo, but exactly sure No, it was still finishing when he saw the initial push.
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On July 18 2009 14:23 NO MY LIQUIBET wrote: Stork, you knew that first mine was there and you even has a zealot to absorb it. Why didn't you do the smart thing? Please, stop senselessly bashing stork when you don't know what the hell you're talking about. He obviously only thought there was a single mine there, and had the zealot absorb it.
Stork played extremely well after the bad bit of luck initially (not only was his build disadvantageous against 2 fact, but his goons were all damaged). He let the natural nexus finish so that the t would go for it, and thus advance more slowly to that point of death where the high ground tank can hit the mineral line. Then, he tried to send the probe out for a secret expo, which unfortunately got scouted by a vulture passing through at the right time. Stork also did the absolute best tactic in that spot, which was to counter the terran directly, and it nearly worked.
Every stork loss seems to be a launching platform for clueless people to make fun of him, and I just don't get it.
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wtf that praying person was kinda freaky lol, kinda looked possessed
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United States10774 Posts
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No one answered my question: Why do progamers usually scout clockwise? Habit or what?
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