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TwoStep
Profile Joined January 2009
United States294 Posts
July 14 2009 17:15 GMT
#241
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 14 2009 19:58 Too_MuchZerg wrote:
Map statistics: (MSL Only)

Heartbreak Ridge
TvZ 1-2
ZvP 2-1
PvT 1-2
Mirrors Zerg: 0 Protoss: 1 Terran: 1
Total games: 11

Carthage 3
TvZ 2-3
ZvP 0-0
PvT 2-1
Mirrors Zerg: 1 Protoss: 2 Terran: 3
Total games: 14

Outsider
TvZ 1-4
ZvP 0-0
PvT 0-3
Mirrors Zerg: 1 Protoss: 1 Terran: 3
Total games: 13

Byzantium 3
TvZ 1-3
ZvP 2-0
PvT 2-0
Mirrors Zerg: 0 Protoss: 1 Terran: 4
Total games: 13


No wonder flash lost Outsider clearly imba for zerg

Flash could've thumbed it down but chose to get rid of HBR. His fault.
Arf
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
July 14 2009 17:32 GMT
#242
On July 15 2009 02:15 TwoStep wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 14 2009 19:58 Too_MuchZerg wrote:
Map statistics: (MSL Only)

Heartbreak Ridge
TvZ 1-2
ZvP 2-1
PvT 1-2
Mirrors Zerg: 0 Protoss: 1 Terran: 1
Total games: 11

Carthage 3
TvZ 2-3
ZvP 0-0
PvT 2-1
Mirrors Zerg: 1 Protoss: 2 Terran: 3
Total games: 14

Outsider
TvZ 1-4
ZvP 0-0
PvT 0-3
Mirrors Zerg: 1 Protoss: 1 Terran: 3
Total games: 13

Byzantium 3
TvZ 1-3
ZvP 2-0
PvT 2-0
Mirrors Zerg: 0 Protoss: 1 Terran: 4
Total games: 13


No wonder flash lost Outsider clearly imba for zerg

Flash could've thumbed it down but chose to get rid of HBR. His fault.

I think Too_MuchZerg may have been kidding: why look at just the MSL for map statistics? Outsider is looking pretty well balanced overall.
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TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
July 14 2009 17:57 GMT
#243
On July 15 2009 00:18 geod wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2009 00:08 jello_biafra wrote:
On July 14 2009 20:13 Scaramanga wrote:
On July 14 2009 20:10 Vasoline73 wrote:
On July 14 2009 20:05 Scaramanga wrote:
On July 14 2009 19:59 Camlito wrote:
On July 14 2009 19:53 Scaramanga wrote:
Fuck that, this has happend like 8 times where flash loses to a worse opponent
ffs MAKE TURRETS, NOT HARD


Specific reason why you used 8 ?

4 seasons ago flash won osl
Since then 8 sl's, only against jaedong or bisu would he be considered it to be even, all other times he's been favorite to win, he hasen't played jd or bisu in any leauge to be knocked out, hence 8 times hes lost to shittier players, half the time its from 14cc or no turrets


GGPlay, Yarnc, Yarnc again, ForGG, Leta, Luxury, BeSt...

GGPlay, Yarnc (first time especially), ForGG, and Leta were so painful for Flash fans. BeSt was super painful for me because he had the game won and decided not to push because hes RETARDED SORRY FLASH.

Ugh. And now Kwanro. Gee Kwanro... can't wait to see your interesting MSL games... I'm sure you won't lose in the next round. When I think about it though, Flash probably would have, so it's ok.

Flash should be in the finals, he is the best terran in the world and theres no reason to lose to kwanro

I think if that were true then he would have been in at least 1 final of the last few OSLs and MSLs -.-

True lol. Correct me if i'm wrong but i think Flash has only one Starleague Final in his entire career up to date. Even Fantasy has two, Stork has so many (4?).Maybe he is just one hit wonder (like Anytime before). After that he still does good but nothing more.


Anytime has 2 OSL finals -- his second one was a loss to the Golden Mouse seeking Nada, if you'd recall.

Flash also did win the GSI which is a lot harder than a lot of leagues I can think of. He's definitely hit a moment where he has to either step up or get washed into mediocrity. The only thing that's retained his S-Class lately was his wreckage of the other 2 S-Class terrans, but being a mirror match up wonder doesn't mean anything unless your other games can back it up.
Remember Violet.
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
July 14 2009 18:05 GMT
#244
Canata!!
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the real challenge is ahead !
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
Phelix
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
1931 Posts
July 14 2009 18:08 GMT
#245
This time, the MSL changes the brackets using the KeSPA ranks, Jaedong will most likely lose against Canata!

Ko In Kyu Fighting!
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haitike
Profile Joined June 2009
Spain2714 Posts
July 14 2009 18:21 GMT
#246
Outsider is a balanced map with 53%/52%/50% in iccup (http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/mapinfo/iccup_outsider.html). If Zerg wins in pro scene is because this is a good zerg year with lots of good zergs.

I think that MSL maps ar Terran flavored imo.
R04R
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1631 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-14 18:28:27
July 14 2009 18:28 GMT
#247
Any recommended games? Thanks beforehand.
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Jusciax
Profile Joined August 2007
Lithuania588 Posts
July 14 2009 19:03 GMT
#248
Poor Flash
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
July 14 2009 19:29 GMT
#249
Whoever the fuck did it, stop calling Flash a one hit wonder! He's been the highest ranked terran for about as long as I've followed the progaming scene (a year or so).
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
July 14 2009 19:29 GMT
#250
Blame Artosis for calling the kid "the best terran of all time, its not even debatable"
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BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
July 14 2009 19:30 GMT
#251
On July 14 2009 20:39 SuperArc wrote:
there is no clear #1 terran atm, Leta, Flash, fantasy are all sharing the #1 rank currently

If I had to put put life on the line for one of them to win an OSL, it would be Fantasy.
Sun Tzu once said, "Defiler becomes useless at the presences of a vessel."
Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
July 14 2009 19:39 GMT
#252
On July 15 2009 04:29 Holgerius wrote:
Whoever the fuck did it, stop calling Flash a one hit wonder! He's been the highest ranked terran for about as long as I've followed the progaming scene (a year or so).


Seriously, how can you call Flash one-hit wonder? The guy won 54 games this proleague season and shares the prize for most proleague wins with Jaedong. His elo hasn't drop below 2200 for more than 1.5 years and he has qualified to every single league in last 2 years as far as I can recall.

Truely one hit wonder, lol my ass...
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
July 14 2009 19:44 GMT
#253
Flash now out of both leagues again...so early, too

Go (T)Canata! Also I'm continuing to be impressed by Zero...
✌
ryuu_
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1266 Posts
July 14 2009 19:59 GMT
#254
poor Flash.
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TwoStep
Profile Joined January 2009
United States294 Posts
July 14 2009 20:01 GMT
#255
When was the last time Flash played a Bo5? I know he has one against July coming up.
Arf
Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
July 14 2009 20:37 GMT
#256
On July 15 2009 05:01 TwoStep wrote:
When was the last time Flash played a Bo5? I know he has one against July coming up.


Long time ago... I think last August against Jaedong in Gom Season 1 final.
mog87
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1586 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-14 22:07:19
July 14 2009 22:05 GMT
#257
Lol flash is still the best terran in the world, Flash is superior to Leta in every aspect and Fantasy's only point of contention is TvP, otherwise flash is better. And Anytime being a 1 hit wonder...where do you people find the time to make up these ridiculous things.

Again Let me restate most of fantasy's matches are TvP, which is his best MU, from that alone calling him the best is silly. Hes definitely been putting up the best OSL performances in recent seasons, well aside from winning it, but that is all. To me Light was stronger than Fantasy this season.

Anywho heres hoping for a strong next year for terrans like Sea. Mind and Midas.

And theres 1 upside to Flash losing..Zero has a way better chance vs Kwanro than he does Flash, which is incase he doesnt make it past JD in OSL, but JD isnt looking invincible atm, so maybe he will go far in both leagues.
Nokeboy
Profile Joined December 2008
United States1009 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-14 22:09:22
July 14 2009 22:08 GMT
#258
Woot Flash is out!
Too bad he didn't have HBR vs a Protoss to get a free win off of!
TwoStep
Profile Joined January 2009
United States294 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-14 22:17:14
July 14 2009 22:14 GMT
#259
On July 15 2009 07:05 mog87 wrote:
Lol flash is still the best terran in the world, Flash is superior to Leta in every aspect and Fantasy's only point of contention is TvP, otherwise flash is better. And Anytime being a 1 hit wonder...where do you people find the time to make up these ridiculous things.

Again Let me restate most of fantasy's matches are TvP, which is his best MU, from that alone calling him the best is silly. Hes definitely been putting up the best OSL performances in recent seasons, well aside from winning it, but that is all. To me Light was stronger than Fantasy this season.

Anywho heres hoping for a strong next year for terrans like Sea. Mind and Midas.

And theres 1 upside to Flash losing..Zero has a way better chance vs Kwanro than he does Flash, which is incase he doesnt make it past JD in OSL, but JD isnt looking invincible atm, so maybe he will go far in both leagues.

Flash's is better in TvT, but worse in TvP and TvZ. Fantasy's TvZ is bad, but Flash's isn't even passable for a S-class player at this point, it's gotten him knocked out of the two "official" leagues.
Arf
Rostam
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2552 Posts
July 14 2009 22:17 GMT
#260
On July 15 2009 07:14 TwoStep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2009 07:05 mog87 wrote:
Lol flash is still the best terran in the world, Flash is superior to Leta in every aspect and Fantasy's only point of contention is TvP, otherwise flash is better. And Anytime being a 1 hit wonder...where do you people find the time to make up these ridiculous things.

Again Let me restate most of fantasy's matches are TvP, which is his best MU, from that alone calling him the best is silly. Hes definitely been putting up the best OSL performances in recent seasons, well aside from winning it, but that is all. To me Light was stronger than Fantasy this season.

Anywho heres hoping for a strong next year for terrans like Sea. Mind and Midas.

And theres 1 upside to Flash losing..Zero has a way better chance vs Kwanro than he does Flash, which is incase he doesnt make it past JD in OSL, but JD isnt looking invincible atm, so maybe he will go far in both leagues.

Flash's is better in TvT, but worse in TvP and TvZ. Fantasy's TvZ is bad, but Flash's isn't even mediocre at this point.


Based on..?

Put Fantasy in Flash's place in the OSL group, you think he would've advanced?
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