hopefully canata goes back to his old TvT self and turtles for hours, giving me enough time to watch NaDa and Savior dominate their games... then on to flash's games and end the night with Boxer...
Man on a side note.. 2 hatch muta is seriously almost unstoppable. It's ridiculous in the hands of a good zerg. It takes perfect play from the terran to survive and even then the game isn't won.
AND HELL YES FLASH HELL YES WIN GAME 3 (Im bummed my stream is behind because I can't keep refreshing the thread to see wsup
On July 14 2009 19:30 Vasoline73 wrote: I feel like Flash is going to lose game 3 on outsider though . Prove me wrong Flash!
It's hard to believe in Flash's TvZ these days. Winning this, and two consecutive TvZs in GOM (quite possible scenario) would go a long way in restoring the faith though.
flash... i hope he practices hard with all his free time... he just wasnt ready for this year's zerg uprising... then again, no one seems to be able to stop this year's zergs...
On July 14 2009 19:53 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: Make no mistake. Flash lost this game because he had only 1 turret ready at his nat mins and lost his nat gas. Everything else after that was bullshit
So stupid imo. Like what the fuck do you do against that? Damn man, I'm usually not pissed after a game, but sigh. Fanboy tears are falling. Gee just let him macro off 4 gas Flash, you'll be fine.
On July 14 2009 19:53 Scaramanga wrote: Fuck that, this has happend like 8 times where flash loses to a worse opponent ffs MAKE TURRETS, NOT HARD
you know how ironic this statement would sound if posted 5 months ago lol?
Well i dont know any terran that can defend kwanro's 11 muta harras with ONE turret, its a fucking joke, flash should have walked over kwanro 2-0 but apparently he feels he can get away with not making defence, i think kwanro killed about 30 scvs that game
Flash needs to go home and reinvent his TvZ. With Proleague over and only GOM left to play in, this is his first real break in like 18 months, arguably 2 years. Last chance, Flash!
Yeah. I think darktreb brings up a good point... Flash is out of everything pretty much. Should *hopefully* help him.. even though I think he is a lost cause at this point (except TvT where he is ultra gosu)
On July 14 2009 19:53 Scaramanga wrote: Fuck that, this has happend like 8 times where flash loses to a worse opponent ffs MAKE TURRETS, NOT HARD
Specific reason why you used 8 ?
4 seasons ago flash won osl Since then 8 sl's, only against jaedong or bisu would he be considered it to be even, all other times he's been favorite to win, he hasen't played jd or bisu in any leauge to be knocked out, hence 8 times hes lost to shittier players, half the time its from 14cc or no turrets
On July 14 2009 19:53 Scaramanga wrote: Fuck that, this has happend like 8 times where flash loses to a worse opponent ffs MAKE TURRETS, NOT HARD
Specific reason why you used 8 ?
4 seasons ago flash won osl Since then 8 sl's, only against jaedong or bisu would he be considered it to be even, all other times he's been favorite to win, he hasen't played jd or bisu in any leauge to be knocked out, hence 8 times hes lost to shittier players, half the time its from 14cc or no turrets
GGPlay, Yarnc, Yarnc again, ForGG, Leta, Luxury, BeSt...
GGPlay, Yarnc (first time especially), ForGG, and Leta were so painful for Flash fans. BeSt was super painful for me because he had the game won and decided not to push because hes RETARDED SORRY FLASH.
Ugh. And now Kwanro. Gee Kwanro... can't wait to see your interesting MSL games... I'm sure you won't lose in the next round. When I think about it though, Flash probably would have, so it's ok.
On July 14 2009 19:53 Scaramanga wrote: Fuck that, this has happend like 8 times where flash loses to a worse opponent ffs MAKE TURRETS, NOT HARD
Specific reason why you used 8 ?
4 seasons ago flash won osl Since then 8 sl's, only against jaedong or bisu would he be considered it to be even, all other times he's been favorite to win, he hasen't played jd or bisu in any leauge to be knocked out, hence 8 times hes lost to shittier players, half the time its from 14cc or no turrets
GGPlay, Yarnc, Yarnc again, ForGG, Leta, Luxury, BeSt...
GGPlay, Yarnc (first time especially), ForGG, and Leta were so painful for Flash fans. BeSt was super painful for me because he had the game won and decided not to push because hes RETARDED SORRY FLASH.
Ugh. And now Kwanro. Gee Kwanro... can't wait to see your interesting MSL games... I'm sure you won't lose in the next round. When I think about it though, Flash probably would have, so it's ok.
Flash should be in the finals, he is the best terran in the world and theres no reason to lose to kwanro
On July 14 2009 19:53 Scaramanga wrote: Fuck that, this has happend like 8 times where flash loses to a worse opponent ffs MAKE TURRETS, NOT HARD
Specific reason why you used 8 ?
4 seasons ago flash won osl Since then 8 sl's, only against jaedong or bisu would he be considered it to be even, all other times he's been favorite to win, he hasen't played jd or bisu in any leauge to be knocked out, hence 8 times hes lost to shittier players, half the time its from 14cc or no turrets
GGPlay, Yarnc, Yarnc again, ForGG, Leta, Luxury, BeSt...
GGPlay, Yarnc (first time especially), ForGG, and Leta were so painful for Flash fans. BeSt was super painful for me because he had the game won and decided not to push because hes RETARDED SORRY FLASH.
Ugh. And now Kwanro. Gee Kwanro... can't wait to see your interesting MSL games... I'm sure you won't lose in the next round. When I think about it though, Flash probably would have, so it's ok.
Flash should be in the finals, he is the best terran in the world and theres no reason to lose to kwanro
fanboyism taking over much? fantasy has been the best terran for 3+ months. and i'm inclined to say leta has been 2nd best for that amount of time as well.
On July 14 2009 19:53 Scaramanga wrote: Fuck that, this has happend like 8 times where flash loses to a worse opponent ffs MAKE TURRETS, NOT HARD
Specific reason why you used 8 ?
4 seasons ago flash won osl Since then 8 sl's, only against jaedong or bisu would he be considered it to be even, all other times he's been favorite to win, he hasen't played jd or bisu in any leauge to be knocked out, hence 8 times hes lost to shittier players, half the time its from 14cc or no turrets
GGPlay, Yarnc, Yarnc again, ForGG, Leta, Luxury, BeSt...
GGPlay, Yarnc (first time especially), ForGG, and Leta were so painful for Flash fans. BeSt was super painful for me because he had the game won and decided not to push because hes RETARDED SORRY FLASH.
Ugh. And now Kwanro. Gee Kwanro... can't wait to see your interesting MSL games... I'm sure you won't lose in the next round. When I think about it though, Flash probably would have, so it's ok.
Flash should be in the finals, he is the best terran in the world and theres no reason to lose to kwanro
fanboyism taking over much? fantasy has been the best terran for 3+ months. and i'm inclined to say leta has been 2nd best for that amount of time as well.
Can't argue with results :/. Sad sad day for Flash fans I think. Hopefully he puts a good showing in GOM and then reinvents himself during off season
On July 14 2009 19:53 Scaramanga wrote: Fuck that, this has happend like 8 times where flash loses to a worse opponent ffs MAKE TURRETS, NOT HARD
Specific reason why you used 8 ?
4 seasons ago flash won osl Since then 8 sl's, only against jaedong or bisu would he be considered it to be even, all other times he's been favorite to win, he hasen't played jd or bisu in any leauge to be knocked out, hence 8 times hes lost to shittier players, half the time its from 14cc or no turrets
GGPlay, Yarnc, Yarnc again, ForGG, Leta, Luxury, BeSt...
GGPlay, Yarnc (first time especially), ForGG, and Leta were so painful for Flash fans. BeSt was super painful for me because he had the game won and decided not to push because hes RETARDED SORRY FLASH.
Ugh. And now Kwanro. Gee Kwanro... can't wait to see your interesting MSL games... I'm sure you won't lose in the next round. When I think about it though, Flash probably would have, so it's ok.
Flash should be in the finals, he is the best terran in the world and theres no reason to lose to kwanro
fanboyism taking over much? fantasy has been the best terran for 3+ months. and i'm inclined to say leta has been 2nd best for that amount of time as well.
GG, sigh, why do half of Forggs games end up like this nowadays? Awkward low econ micro fests which he proceeds to lose even when he has better micro than his opponent but he fucks up multitasking + decision making.
On July 14 2009 19:53 Scaramanga wrote: Fuck that, this has happend like 8 times where flash loses to a worse opponent ffs MAKE TURRETS, NOT HARD
Specific reason why you used 8 ?
4 seasons ago flash won osl Since then 8 sl's, only against jaedong or bisu would he be considered it to be even, all other times he's been favorite to win, he hasen't played jd or bisu in any leauge to be knocked out, hence 8 times hes lost to shittier players, half the time its from 14cc or no turrets
GGPlay, Yarnc, Yarnc again, ForGG, Leta, Luxury, BeSt...
GGPlay, Yarnc (first time especially), ForGG, and Leta were so painful for Flash fans. BeSt was super painful for me because he had the game won and decided not to push because hes RETARDED SORRY FLASH.
Ugh. And now Kwanro. Gee Kwanro... can't wait to see your interesting MSL games... I'm sure you won't lose in the next round. When I think about it though, Flash probably would have, so it's ok.
Flash should be in the finals, he is the best terran in the world and theres no reason to lose to kwanro
fanboyism taking over much? fantasy has been the best terran for 3+ months. and i'm inclined to say leta has been 2nd best for that amount of time as well.
On July 14 2009 19:53 Scaramanga wrote: Fuck that, this has happend like 8 times where flash loses to a worse opponent ffs MAKE TURRETS, NOT HARD
Specific reason why you used 8 ?
4 seasons ago flash won osl Since then 8 sl's, only against jaedong or bisu would he be considered it to be even, all other times he's been favorite to win, he hasen't played jd or bisu in any leauge to be knocked out, hence 8 times hes lost to shittier players, half the time its from 14cc or no turrets
GGPlay, Yarnc, Yarnc again, ForGG, Leta, Luxury, BeSt...
GGPlay, Yarnc (first time especially), ForGG, and Leta were so painful for Flash fans. BeSt was super painful for me because he had the game won and decided not to push because hes RETARDED SORRY FLASH.
Ugh. And now Kwanro. Gee Kwanro... can't wait to see your interesting MSL games... I'm sure you won't lose in the next round. When I think about it though, Flash probably would have, so it's ok.
Flash should be in the finals, he is the best terran in the world and theres no reason to lose to kwanro
fanboyism taking over much? fantasy has been the best terran for 3+ months. and i'm inclined to say leta has been 2nd best for that amount of time as well.
Zero just played so damn well that game. He let his Muta stack take one Archon shot and that was really the only minor mistake I was able to see. The sim city at his third was gorgeous.
On July 14 2009 21:02 Solinren wrote: TooMuchZerg, post that in the R&S thread, no one is going to read it here =.=
There are some who are interested these statistics, they don't just type it I bet there are people who want to follow who is qualified to survivor and for future rounds (which R&S doesn't provide).
Dont worry these are going to be gone after this round (as survivor list is completed, only 20 offline spots left after that). Not going to post when RO8 starts
Zergs are just imba now. Not just the OSL, but so far no one has won against a zerg in the MSL ro16 (and unlikely to happen with Effort/Upmagic and Jaedong/Kal left).
Terrans are still doing fine, I guess, but this sucks badly for Protoss. Come on, I want some epic PvZ/PvT and less ZvZ :/
So many zergs are advancing in all the leagues this season. The maps were not that imbalanced a month or so earlier, either. Heartbreak ridge, I thought, was a toss heaven, but zerg players can't seem to lose on it anymore. There isn't any toss in the OSL and both are now cluttered with zergs. It seems too disproportionate. I hope we don't end up getting a zvz final.
*sigh* Flash.... being a major fan I still have to say... Flash's play really hasn't been up to par for the last half part of the season...Out of both MSL and OSL.... as painfully as last season... Well, hope for a better season next year. Still got faith!! WIN THE GOM FLASH!!
What is happening? Canata getting farther then both leagues (MSL, OSL) than Flash? IT'S RAINING CATS MAYBE 5 YEARS OF MEDIOCRITY WILL WIN YOU A INDIVIDUAL LEAGUE
On July 14 2009 19:53 Scaramanga wrote: Fuck that, this has happend like 8 times where flash loses to a worse opponent ffs MAKE TURRETS, NOT HARD
Specific reason why you used 8 ?
4 seasons ago flash won osl Since then 8 sl's, only against jaedong or bisu would he be considered it to be even, all other times he's been favorite to win, he hasen't played jd or bisu in any leauge to be knocked out, hence 8 times hes lost to shittier players, half the time its from 14cc or no turrets
GGPlay, Yarnc, Yarnc again, ForGG, Leta, Luxury, BeSt...
GGPlay, Yarnc (first time especially), ForGG, and Leta were so painful for Flash fans. BeSt was super painful for me because he had the game won and decided not to push because hes RETARDED SORRY FLASH.
Ugh. And now Kwanro. Gee Kwanro... can't wait to see your interesting MSL games... I'm sure you won't lose in the next round. When I think about it though, Flash probably would have, so it's ok.
Flash should be in the finals, he is the best terran in the world and theres no reason to lose to kwanro
I think if that were true then he would have been in at least 1 final of the last few OSLs and MSLs -.-
On July 14 2009 19:53 Scaramanga wrote: Fuck that, this has happend like 8 times where flash loses to a worse opponent ffs MAKE TURRETS, NOT HARD
Specific reason why you used 8 ?
4 seasons ago flash won osl Since then 8 sl's, only against jaedong or bisu would he be considered it to be even, all other times he's been favorite to win, he hasen't played jd or bisu in any leauge to be knocked out, hence 8 times hes lost to shittier players, half the time its from 14cc or no turrets
GGPlay, Yarnc, Yarnc again, ForGG, Leta, Luxury, BeSt...
GGPlay, Yarnc (first time especially), ForGG, and Leta were so painful for Flash fans. BeSt was super painful for me because he had the game won and decided not to push because hes RETARDED SORRY FLASH.
Ugh. And now Kwanro. Gee Kwanro... can't wait to see your interesting MSL games... I'm sure you won't lose in the next round. When I think about it though, Flash probably would have, so it's ok.
Flash should be in the finals, he is the best terran in the world and theres no reason to lose to kwanro
I think if that were true then he would have been in at least 1 final of the last few OSLs and MSLs -.-
True lol. Correct me if i'm wrong but i think Flash has only one Starleague Final in his entire career up to date. Even Fantasy has two, Stork has so many (4?).Maybe he is just one hit wonder (like Anytime before). After that he still does good but nothing more.
On July 14 2009 19:53 Scaramanga wrote: Fuck that, this has happend like 8 times where flash loses to a worse opponent ffs MAKE TURRETS, NOT HARD
Specific reason why you used 8 ?
4 seasons ago flash won osl Since then 8 sl's, only against jaedong or bisu would he be considered it to be even, all other times he's been favorite to win, he hasen't played jd or bisu in any leauge to be knocked out, hence 8 times hes lost to shittier players, half the time its from 14cc or no turrets
GGPlay, Yarnc, Yarnc again, ForGG, Leta, Luxury, BeSt...
GGPlay, Yarnc (first time especially), ForGG, and Leta were so painful for Flash fans. BeSt was super painful for me because he had the game won and decided not to push because hes RETARDED SORRY FLASH.
Ugh. And now Kwanro. Gee Kwanro... can't wait to see your interesting MSL games... I'm sure you won't lose in the next round. When I think about it though, Flash probably would have, so it's ok.
Flash should be in the finals, he is the best terran in the world and theres no reason to lose to kwanro
I think if that were true then he would have been in at least 1 final of the last few OSLs and MSLs -.-
True lol. Correct me if i'm wrong but i think Flash has only one Starleague Final in his entire career up to date. Even Fantasy has two, Stork has so many (4?).Maybe he is just one hit wonder (like Anytime before). After that he still does good but nothing more.
I said this two months ago, and it's still true; fantasy is the best terran in the world. Flash may be more consistent, but fantasy will always post better results because he/oov are more innovative, and he has a stronger upside.
On July 14 2009 23:14 nozaro33 wrote: What is happening? Canata getting farther then both leagues (MSL, OSL) than Flash? IT'S RAINING CATS MAYBE 5 YEARS OF MEDIOCRITY WILL WIN YOU A INDIVIDUAL LEAGUE
On July 14 2009 19:53 Scaramanga wrote: Fuck that, this has happend like 8 times where flash loses to a worse opponent ffs MAKE TURRETS, NOT HARD
Specific reason why you used 8 ?
4 seasons ago flash won osl Since then 8 sl's, only against jaedong or bisu would he be considered it to be even, all other times he's been favorite to win, he hasen't played jd or bisu in any leauge to be knocked out, hence 8 times hes lost to shittier players, half the time its from 14cc or no turrets
GGPlay, Yarnc, Yarnc again, ForGG, Leta, Luxury, BeSt...
GGPlay, Yarnc (first time especially), ForGG, and Leta were so painful for Flash fans. BeSt was super painful for me because he had the game won and decided not to push because hes RETARDED SORRY FLASH.
Ugh. And now Kwanro. Gee Kwanro... can't wait to see your interesting MSL games... I'm sure you won't lose in the next round. When I think about it though, Flash probably would have, so it's ok.
Flash should be in the finals, he is the best terran in the world and theres no reason to lose to kwanro
I think if that were true then he would have been in at least 1 final of the last few OSLs and MSLs -.-
True lol. Correct me if i'm wrong but i think Flash has only one Starleague Final in his entire career up to date. Even Fantasy has two, Stork has so many (4?).Maybe he is just one hit wonder (like Anytime before). After that he still does good but nothing more.
Anytime has 2 OSL finals -- his second one was a loss to the Golden Mouse seeking Nada, if you'd recall.
Flash also did win the GSI which is a lot harder than a lot of leagues I can think of. He's definitely hit a moment where he has to either step up or get washed into mediocrity. The only thing that's retained his S-Class lately was his wreckage of the other 2 S-Class terrans, but being a mirror match up wonder doesn't mean anything unless your other games can back it up.
Whoever the fuck did it, stop calling Flash a one hit wonder! He's been the highest ranked terran for about as long as I've followed the progaming scene (a year or so).
On July 15 2009 04:29 Holgerius wrote: Whoever the fuck did it, stop calling Flash a one hit wonder! He's been the highest ranked terran for about as long as I've followed the progaming scene (a year or so).
Seriously, how can you call Flash one-hit wonder? The guy won 54 games this proleague season and shares the prize for most proleague wins with Jaedong. His elo hasn't drop below 2200 for more than 1.5 years and he has qualified to every single league in last 2 years as far as I can recall.
Lol flash is still the best terran in the world, Flash is superior to Leta in every aspect and Fantasy's only point of contention is TvP, otherwise flash is better. And Anytime being a 1 hit wonder...where do you people find the time to make up these ridiculous things.
Again Let me restate most of fantasy's matches are TvP, which is his best MU, from that alone calling him the best is silly. Hes definitely been putting up the best OSL performances in recent seasons, well aside from winning it, but that is all. To me Light was stronger than Fantasy this season.
Anywho heres hoping for a strong next year for terrans like Sea. Mind and Midas.
And theres 1 upside to Flash losing..Zero has a way better chance vs Kwanro than he does Flash, which is incase he doesnt make it past JD in OSL, but JD isnt looking invincible atm, so maybe he will go far in both leagues.
On July 15 2009 07:05 mog87 wrote: Lol flash is still the best terran in the world, Flash is superior to Leta in every aspect and Fantasy's only point of contention is TvP, otherwise flash is better. And Anytime being a 1 hit wonder...where do you people find the time to make up these ridiculous things.
Again Let me restate most of fantasy's matches are TvP, which is his best MU, from that alone calling him the best is silly. Hes definitely been putting up the best OSL performances in recent seasons, well aside from winning it, but that is all. To me Light was stronger than Fantasy this season.
Anywho heres hoping for a strong next year for terrans like Sea. Mind and Midas.
And theres 1 upside to Flash losing..Zero has a way better chance vs Kwanro than he does Flash, which is incase he doesnt make it past JD in OSL, but JD isnt looking invincible atm, so maybe he will go far in both leagues.
Flash's is better in TvT, but worse in TvP and TvZ. Fantasy's TvZ is bad, but Flash's isn't even passable for a S-class player at this point, it's gotten him knocked out of the two "official" leagues.
On July 15 2009 07:05 mog87 wrote: Lol flash is still the best terran in the world, Flash is superior to Leta in every aspect and Fantasy's only point of contention is TvP, otherwise flash is better. And Anytime being a 1 hit wonder...where do you people find the time to make up these ridiculous things.
Again Let me restate most of fantasy's matches are TvP, which is his best MU, from that alone calling him the best is silly. Hes definitely been putting up the best OSL performances in recent seasons, well aside from winning it, but that is all. To me Light was stronger than Fantasy this season.
Anywho heres hoping for a strong next year for terrans like Sea. Mind and Midas.
And theres 1 upside to Flash losing..Zero has a way better chance vs Kwanro than he does Flash, which is incase he doesnt make it past JD in OSL, but JD isnt looking invincible atm, so maybe he will go far in both leagues.
Flash's is better in TvT, but worse in TvP and TvZ. Fantasy's TvZ is bad, but Flash's isn't even mediocre at this point.
Based on..?
Put Fantasy in Flash's place in the OSL group, you think he would've advanced?
Based on the way he's looked in his TvZ matches, what else? It's impossible to tell whether Fantasy would've advanced or not, SC is rarely so predictable like tennis, just take Bisu for example. But, Fantasy has looked better in his TvZs than Flash has. Sometimes it's not about one player doing better, it's about the other one doing worse.
On July 15 2009 07:08 Nokeboy wrote: Woot Flash is out! Too bad he didn't have HBR vs a Protoss to get a free win off of!
Oh hey! It's the cry baby turtle guy from GOM! Still on that turtle train huh?
Anyways, I would take Flash over Leta, and I still think Flash is better than Fantasy minus TvP. But I would choose Fantasy to take an OSL first just because he doesn't do stupid shit ala Flash.. lol. Fantasy's preparation makes him the better terran right now.
Flash's TvP is very good, second best behind Fantasy, his wins against Bisu and Stork prove that. It's Flash's TvZ is whats medicore. I wonder who has the best TvZ?
On July 15 2009 07:17 TwoStep wrote: Based on the way he's looked in his TvZ matches, what else? It's impossible to tell whether Fantasy would've advanced or not, SC is rarely so predictable like tennis, just take Bisu for example. But, Fantasy has looked better in his TvZs than Flash has. Sometimes it's not about one player doing better, it's about the other one doing worse.
Hmm I see your point, but I'm not entirely with you. There are some "safe" bets in SC, and I cant quite understand your point about Bisu. Here's something that perfectly illustrates the current status of the protoss race and KTY's place in it...
Fantasy barely plays TvZ, and even from what hes shown this season there is no indiciation that his TvZ being better, yes he had a nice victory over JD, but then loses to like Hogil. In this case its not about one player doing worse, its about 1 player not even "doing", you cant declare fantasy's the better TvZer on an argument seemingly based on his absence of play.
Again Flash is the best terran no debate, hes just not in the OSL/MSL at the moment.
Combine the three and you get the best player of all time!! :D
If you look at overall play though i'd seriously say that Flash is still the best. He has a significant amount of PL wins and has just gotten very unlucky with running into a line of the best zergs in the world (with July and Effort still in line).
I'm hoping he can pull it together and win GomTV. He has nothing else to train for :D.
On July 15 2009 07:46 mog87 wrote: Again Flash is the best terran no debate, hes just not in the OSL/MSL at the moment.
"no debate"? How can you even say that at this point? It's just wrong. Yes, there was a time where Flash was undoubtedly the best Terran, but that is not the case anymore.
It's very premature to say at what level Fantasy's TvZ is playing these days. He's played a total of 6 games since losing to Jaedong in the finals. His TvZ ELO is below iloveoov. And not that's peak ELO, it's current. TvP Fantasy has been posting better results in his games of late and should surpass Flash in TvP ELO shortly. TvT Flash is still on a 10 game winning streak including a win over Fantasy.
The available evidence suggests that Fantasy > Flash TvP, Flash > Fantasy TvT, with TvZ indeterminate due to lack of games. To blindly say Fantasy > Flash or Flash > Fantasy isn't taking an objective view of their results.
Put Fantasy in Flash's place in the OSL group, you think he would've advanced?
Definitively!
I don't think there is any player out there who would be a definite favourite to advance from that group in OSL, save for Jaedong. That was ridiculously tough group. Flash loss to Kwanro is a different case...
Even more than Flash, Yarnc's style is the perfect counter to Fantasy's. For Fantasy to have advanced from the group would have involved him beating both Effort and Jaedong. It's definitely possible, but it still would've been difficult.
Flash had that 3rd game in the bag, he had 2 dropships for the longest fucking time with his giant marine corp roaming the map not doing work. Kwanro had NOTHING on those dropships, flash fucked himself over by hanging those ships on top of his natural CC over what must have been a 5 minute golden timing window for drops. Man, that was painful to watch.