Based on the way he's looked in his TvZ matches, what else?
It's impossible to tell whether Fantasy would've advanced or not, SC is rarely so predictable like tennis, just take Bisu for example. But, Fantasy has looked better in his TvZs than Flash has.
Sometimes it's not about one player doing better, it's about the other one doing worse.

dekuschrub

United States2069 Posts

July 14 2009 22:23 GMT

#262

god flashh noooooooo

he raped kwanro so bad in game 2.. sadly bionic really just doesnt work on outsider

that and he kinda got messed up by mutas

Vasoline73

United States7805 Posts

July 14 2009 22:25 GMT

#263

On July 15 2009 07:08 Nokeboy wrote:
Woot Flash is out!
Too bad he didn't have HBR vs a Protoss to get a free win off of!

Oh hey! It's the cry baby turtle guy from GOM! Still on that turtle train huh?

Anyways, I would take Flash over Leta, and I still think Flash is better than Fantasy minus TvP. But I would choose Fantasy to take an OSL first just because he doesn't do stupid shit ala Flash.. lol. Fantasy's preparation makes him the better terran right now.

dekuschrub

United States2069 Posts

July 14 2009 22:28 GMT

#264

I would have to agree...
flash is having some serious decision making issues.

fantasy is best terran right now...

i mean a terran with tvp like that is just magical really

FireGuyX

United States1712 Posts

July 14 2009 22:30 GMT

#265

Flash's TvP is very good, second best behind Fantasy, his wins against Bisu and Stork prove that. It's Flash's TvZ is whats medicore. I wonder who has the best TvZ?

disciple

9070 Posts

July 14 2009 22:32 GMT

#266

On July 15 2009 07:17 TwoStep wrote:
Based on the way he's looked in his TvZ matches, what else?
It's impossible to tell whether Fantasy would've advanced or not, SC is rarely so predictable like tennis, just take Bisu for example. But, Fantasy has looked better in his TvZs than Flash has.
Sometimes it's not about one player doing better, it's about the other one doing worse.

Hmm I see your point, but I'm not entirely with you. There are some "safe" bets in SC, and I cant quite understand your point about Bisu. Here's something that perfectly illustrates the current status of the protoss race and KTY's place in it...

one man army?

knyttym

United States5797 Posts

July 14 2009 22:42 GMT

#267

lol Midas what the hell is he doing up there

mog87

United States1586 Posts

July 14 2009 22:46 GMT

#268

Fantasy barely plays TvZ, and even from what hes shown this season there is no indiciation that his TvZ being better, yes he had a nice victory over JD, but then loses to like Hogil. In this case its not about one player doing worse, its about 1 player not even "doing", you cant declare fantasy's the better TvZer on an argument seemingly based on his absence of play.

Again Flash is the best terran no debate, hes just not in the OSL/MSL at the moment.

On_Slaught

United States12190 Posts

July 14 2009 22:56 GMT

#269

As far as Terrans go, i'd say the best are:

TvT = Flash

TvP = Fantasy

TvZ = Leta

Combine the three and you get the best player of all time!! :D

If you look at overall play though i'd seriously say that Flash is still the best. He has a significant amount of PL wins and has just gotten very unlucky with running into a line of the best zergs in the world (with July and Effort still in line).

I'm hoping he can pull it together and win GomTV. He has nothing else to train for :D.

vx70GTOJudgexv

United States3161 Posts

July 14 2009 23:21 GMT

#270

Good luck in the Ro8 Canata, you're gonna f*ckin' need it.

Jaedong, Bisu or Fantasy.;

r33k

Italy3402 Posts

July 14 2009 23:55 GMT

#271

On July 15 2009 07:42 kNyTTyM wrote:
lol Midas what the hell is he doing up there

TvZ used to be Midas' best matchup, only limited by sAviOr in his bonjwa period, which is pretty much what killed Midas' career.

Murdoink

Chile1219 Posts

July 15 2009 00:06 GMT

#272

Just realized Canata can make it to the finals without facing Jaedong/Bisu/Fantasy
WOOO

samachking

Bahrain4949 Posts

July 15 2009 00:13 GMT

#273

On July 15 2009 09:06 Murdoink wrote:
Just realized Canata can make it to the finals without facing Jaedong/Bisu/Fantasy
WOOO

Wrong, he has to face one of those 3 100% due to seeding rules.

Carnac

Germany / USA16648 Posts

July 15 2009 00:39 GMT

#274

On July 15 2009 07:46 mog87 wrote:
Again Flash is the best terran no debate, hes just not in the OSL/MSL at the moment.

"no debate"? How can you even say that at this point? It's just wrong. Yes, there was a time where Flash was undoubtedly the best Terran, but that is not the case anymore.

arb

Noobville17921 Posts

July 15 2009 00:39 GMT

#275

Why is Kwanrollllled not in this thread

Lebesgue

4542 Posts

July 15 2009 00:49 GMT

#276

On July 15 2009 09:39 arb wrote:
Why is Kwanrollllled not in this thread

Because that joke started to be annoying...

NovaTheFeared

United States7224 Posts

July 15 2009 00:57 GMT

#277

It's very premature to say at what level Fantasy's TvZ is playing these days. He's played a total of 6 games since losing to Jaedong in the finals. His TvZ ELO is below iloveoov. And not that's peak ELO, it's current. TvP Fantasy has been posting better results in his games of late and should surpass Flash in TvP ELO shortly. TvT Flash is still on a 10 game winning streak including a win over Fantasy.

The available evidence suggests that Fantasy > Flash TvP, Flash > Fantasy TvT, with TvZ indeterminate due to lack of games. To blindly say Fantasy > Flash or Flash > Fantasy isn't taking an objective view of their results.

geod

Vietnam450 Posts

July 15 2009 02:52 GMT

#278

On July 15 2009 07:17 Rostam wrote:

Put Fantasy in Flash's place in the OSL group, you think he would've advanced?

Definitively!

Lebesgue

4542 Posts

July 15 2009 03:23 GMT

#279

On July 15 2009 11:52 geod wrote:

Show nested quote +

Definitively!

I don't think there is any player out there who would be a definite favourite to advance from that group in OSL, save for Jaedong. That was ridiculously tough group. Flash loss to Kwanro is a different case...

Nevuk

United States16280 Posts

July 15 2009 06:12 GMT

#280

Even more than Flash, Yarnc's style is the perfect counter to Fantasy's. For Fantasy to have advanced from the group would have involved him beating both Effort and Jaedong. It's definitely possible, but it still would've been difficult.