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deathgod6
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States5064 Posts
July 05 2009 11:21 GMT
#601
wow sick games. GG Flash!
4.0 GPA = A rank 5.0 GPA = Olympic --------- Bisu, Best, Fantasy. i ♥ oov. They can get in my BoxeR anyday.
Rostam
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2552 Posts
July 05 2009 11:21 GMT
#602
On July 05 2009 20:17 Nokeboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2009 20:16 MrHoon wrote:
On July 05 2009 20:15 Nokeboy wrote:
On July 05 2009 20:12 Jayson X wrote:
On July 05 2009 20:05 Nokeboy wrote:
It might be hard to do but its extremely cheap, you shouldn't be able to win a game by defending the whole time.


Bullshit, if anything you shouldn't be able to LOOSE a game by attacking the whole time.

Terran is best turtling race and best 200/200 army. You shouldn't be able to successfully hold off any type of offense until you get 200/200 imo.

so basically you're calling Shuttle's mistake a terran issue?

Singular "mistake". Flash made many mistakes, including losing his army like 3 times on fair fights. Its ok, he is a terran and can turtle until the protoss kills himself from boredom.


"Fair fights"? You realize most of that game Shuttle was 40-60 supply ahead of Flash with 2x as many gateways as Flash had factories?
BW forever || Thall
Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
July 05 2009 11:21 GMT
#603
flash 2-0
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51615 Posts
July 05 2009 11:21 GMT
#604
"if you do not know who jaedong is, then you are a communist"
Commentator
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4749 Posts
July 05 2009 11:21 GMT
#605
On July 05 2009 20:20 MrHoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2009 20:17 Nokeboy wrote:
On July 05 2009 20:16 MrHoon wrote:
On July 05 2009 20:15 Nokeboy wrote:
On July 05 2009 20:12 Jayson X wrote:
On July 05 2009 20:05 Nokeboy wrote:
It might be hard to do but its extremely cheap, you shouldn't be able to win a game by defending the whole time.


Bullshit, if anything you shouldn't be able to LOOSE a game by attacking the whole time.

Terran is best turtling race and best 200/200 army. You shouldn't be able to successfully hold off any type of offense until you get 200/200 imo.

so basically you're calling Shuttle's mistake a terran issue?

Singular "mistake". Flash made many mistakes, including losing his army like 3 times on fair fights. Its ok, he is a terran and can turtle until the protoss kills himself from boredom.

Singular?
Not reinforcing fast enough?
Recalling into a minefield?
Instead of destroying CC's which could've ended the game he runs the opposite direction?
Constantly throwing units into walled off places?
Shuttle made plenty and plenty of mistakes.


Exactly. His gameplan was good, but he was not on the neccessary level to execute it. Nothing wrong with terran turteling, that is a trademark of the race.
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
foeffa
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Belgium2115 Posts
July 05 2009 11:22 GMT
#606
GG, good to see Flash pull through. Bad news for July. ^^
觀過斯知仁矣.
dasanivan
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States532 Posts
July 05 2009 11:22 GMT
#607
hell that was such genius timing push.
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4749 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-05 11:23:04
July 05 2009 11:22 GMT
#608
Well, at least game 2 showed how hard Flash outclasses Shuttle.
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
AlTheCake
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada1071 Posts
July 05 2009 11:22 GMT
#609
On July 05 2009 20:22 dasanivan wrote:
hell that was such genius timing push.

Flash always had such good timing~
Nokeboy
Profile Joined December 2008
United States1009 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-05 11:24:29
July 05 2009 11:22 GMT
#610
On July 05 2009 20:20 MrHoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2009 20:17 Nokeboy wrote:
On July 05 2009 20:16 MrHoon wrote:
On July 05 2009 20:15 Nokeboy wrote:
On July 05 2009 20:12 Jayson X wrote:
On July 05 2009 20:05 Nokeboy wrote:
It might be hard to do but its extremely cheap, you shouldn't be able to win a game by defending the whole time.


Bullshit, if anything you shouldn't be able to LOOSE a game by attacking the whole time.

Terran is best turtling race and best 200/200 army. You shouldn't be able to successfully hold off any type of offense until you get 200/200 imo.

so basically you're calling Shuttle's mistake a terran issue?

Singular "mistake". Flash made many mistakes, including losing his army like 3 times on fair fights. Its ok, he is a terran and can turtle until the protoss kills himself from boredom.

Singular?
Not reinforcing fast enough?
Recalling into a minefield?
Instead of destroying CC's which could've ended the game he runs the opposite direction?
Constantly throwing units into walled off places?
Shuttle made plenty and plenty of mistakes.

How do you avoid recalling into a mine field when Flash was turtling as hard as he was? He had like 100 turrets surrounded his base and science vessel at every expansion for EMP, tanks if no science vessel and mines where neither of the 2 were present. For a unit that takes 0 micro and no presence of mind to use, mines sure do a lot of damage. I am like F- player if I actually do play, but even I could take 15 vultures and plant mines evenly throughout my base so there is no open space to recall.

"Fair fights"? You realize most of that game Shuttle was 40-60 supply ahead of Flash with 2x as many gateways as Flash had factories?

Yes, he fell behind after losing 2 fair fights toward the beginning about 5-8 minutes after Shuttle pulled back on fail proxy
SilverskY
Profile Joined September 2008
Korea (South)3086 Posts
July 05 2009 11:23 GMT
#611
FlaSh's TvP is out of this world. Fucking unbelievable.
Graphics
Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
July 05 2009 11:23 GMT
#612
On July 05 2009 20:20 Nokeboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2009 20:19 Smix wrote:
On July 05 2009 20:17 Nokeboy wrote:
On July 05 2009 20:16 MrHoon wrote:
On July 05 2009 20:15 Nokeboy wrote:
On July 05 2009 20:12 Jayson X wrote:
On July 05 2009 20:05 Nokeboy wrote:
It might be hard to do but its extremely cheap, you shouldn't be able to win a game by defending the whole time.


Bullshit, if anything you shouldn't be able to LOOSE a game by attacking the whole time.

Terran is best turtling race and best 200/200 army. You shouldn't be able to successfully hold off any type of offense until you get 200/200 imo.

so basically you're calling Shuttle's mistake a terran issue?

Singular "mistake". Flash made many mistakes, including losing his army like 3 times on fair fights. Its ok, he is a terran and can turtle until the protoss kills himself from boredom.


Nokeboy listen to your own sig: "just enjoy watching it!"

Just because I don't play the game doesn't mean that I can't form my own opinion.

At the highest level of play, you shouldn't be able to be 100% defensive and win. 70/30, 80/20, 50/50 sure, but not 100/0

of course you can, but are fucking cluless in your statmennts, becouse you watch best players in the world playing the game you dont understand.
La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3019 Posts
July 05 2009 11:23 GMT
#613
Second straight time Flash played Shuttle on Outsider and just straight rolled him midgame....
Musoeun
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States4324 Posts
July 05 2009 11:23 GMT
#614
On July 05 2009 20:18 sushiman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2009 20:04 MrHoon wrote:
On July 05 2009 20:03 Tinithor wrote:
On July 05 2009 20:01 sushiman wrote:
ugh, so boring. just flash waiting for all minerals to run out. -_-


How else was he supposed to win in that position...

he wanted to see dropships with 20 vultures in them harassing all expos simutaniously while MNM micro against high templars

WITHOUT USING ANY MINERALS

I like seeing at least SOME form of harassment. Maybe an attack or two. Just sitting in your base and waiting for your opponent to get mined out while doing nothing isn't my idea of an entertaining game.


Flash repeatedly took down shuttle's center expansion attempts, and didn't have the army to do more than that.

Oh, and that bottom right base? He had to take it away from Shuttle first.

No attacks my ass.

(Btw, this game remind anybody of Hogil vs Violet?).
Don't Shoot the Penguins. | Dance, 성은, dance! | Killer FanKlub | Action sucks. | Storm Terran hwaiting.
DoX.)
Profile Joined December 2008
Singapore6164 Posts
July 05 2009 11:23 GMT
#615
lol flash

I cant believe i missed the July games -_-
Rostam
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2552 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-05 11:25:33
July 05 2009 11:24 GMT
#616
On July 05 2009 20:22 Nokeboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2009 20:20 MrHoon wrote:
On July 05 2009 20:17 Nokeboy wrote:
On July 05 2009 20:16 MrHoon wrote:
On July 05 2009 20:15 Nokeboy wrote:
On July 05 2009 20:12 Jayson X wrote:
On July 05 2009 20:05 Nokeboy wrote:
It might be hard to do but its extremely cheap, you shouldn't be able to win a game by defending the whole time.


Bullshit, if anything you shouldn't be able to LOOSE a game by attacking the whole time.

Terran is best turtling race and best 200/200 army. You shouldn't be able to successfully hold off any type of offense until you get 200/200 imo.

so basically you're calling Shuttle's mistake a terran issue?

Singular "mistake". Flash made many mistakes, including losing his army like 3 times on fair fights. Its ok, he is a terran and can turtle until the protoss kills himself from boredom.

Singular?
Not reinforcing fast enough?
Recalling into a minefield?
Instead of destroying CC's which could've ended the game he runs the opposite direction?
Constantly throwing units into walled off places?
Shuttle made plenty and plenty of mistakes.

How do you avoid recalling into a mine field when Flash was turtling as hard as he was? He had like 100 turrets surrounded his base and science vessel at every expansion for EMP, tanks if no science vessel and mines where neither of the 2 were present. For a unit that takes 0 micro and no presence of mind to use, mines sure do a lot of damage. I am like F- player if I actually do play, but even I could take 15 vultures and plant mines evenly throughout my base so there is no open space to recall.


By all means, I would invite you to go on ICCup and play some TvP and let everyone know how easy it is.

Oh, and the obvious answer to your question is: ...don't recall.
BW forever || Thall
AlTheCake
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada1071 Posts
July 05 2009 11:24 GMT
#617
On July 05 2009 20:22 Nokeboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2009 20:20 MrHoon wrote:
On July 05 2009 20:17 Nokeboy wrote:
On July 05 2009 20:16 MrHoon wrote:
On July 05 2009 20:15 Nokeboy wrote:
On July 05 2009 20:12 Jayson X wrote:
On July 05 2009 20:05 Nokeboy wrote:
It might be hard to do but its extremely cheap, you shouldn't be able to win a game by defending the whole time.


Bullshit, if anything you shouldn't be able to LOOSE a game by attacking the whole time.

Terran is best turtling race and best 200/200 army. You shouldn't be able to successfully hold off any type of offense until you get 200/200 imo.

so basically you're calling Shuttle's mistake a terran issue?

Singular "mistake". Flash made many mistakes, including losing his army like 3 times on fair fights. Its ok, he is a terran and can turtle until the protoss kills himself from boredom.

Singular?
Not reinforcing fast enough?
Recalling into a minefield?
Instead of destroying CC's which could've ended the game he runs the opposite direction?
Constantly throwing units into walled off places?
Shuttle made plenty and plenty of mistakes.

How do you avoid recalling into a mine field when Flash was turtling as hard as he was? He had like 100 turrets surrounded his base and science vessel at every expansion for EMP, tanks if no science vessel and mines where neither of the 2 were present. For a unit that takes 0 micro and no presence of mind to use, mines sure do a lot of damage. I am like F- player if I actually do play, but even I could take 15 vultures and plant mines evenly throughout my base so there is no open space to recall.

THATS WHY SHUTTLE SHOULD HAVE RECALLED IN A BETTER POSITION. IT WAS SHUTTLES MISTAKE.

My god.
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13081 Posts
July 05 2009 11:24 GMT
#618
"im mumbo and this is jumbo" XD
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
Jayson X
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Switzerland2431 Posts
July 05 2009 11:24 GMT
#619
july against flash <3
Nokeboy
Profile Joined December 2008
United States1009 Posts
July 05 2009 11:25 GMT
#620
On July 05 2009 20:23 Musoeun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2009 20:18 sushiman wrote:
On July 05 2009 20:04 MrHoon wrote:
On July 05 2009 20:03 Tinithor wrote:
On July 05 2009 20:01 sushiman wrote:
ugh, so boring. just flash waiting for all minerals to run out. -_-


How else was he supposed to win in that position...

he wanted to see dropships with 20 vultures in them harassing all expos simutaniously while MNM micro against high templars

WITHOUT USING ANY MINERALS

I like seeing at least SOME form of harassment. Maybe an attack or two. Just sitting in your base and waiting for your opponent to get mined out while doing nothing isn't my idea of an entertaining game.


Flash repeatedly took down shuttle's center expansion attempts, and didn't have the army to do more than that.

Oh, and that bottom right base? He had to take it away from Shuttle first.

No attacks my ass.

(Btw, this game remind anybody of Hogil vs Violet?).

I don't know the map too well but that expansion is Flash's and don't you have to go through the middle to go there? Good job taking out an expansion that has no defenses and cut off the path for reinforcements by turtling at your expansion
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