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On May 08 2009 19:39 Heimatloser wrote: Bullshit. Next thing we see is maps where building-addons for terrans are already standing in the base, like scans from first moment, auto-attached physic-labs and controll-towers... You're a Zerg and you call this Bullshit? This is brilliant.
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On May 08 2009 19:39 Essence wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2009 19:36 iLoveKTF wrote: Im fine with this, at least this forces the protoss to not open forge expand in pvz. I was about to say this. Whining people like "OMG Infested Terran in PvZ imba" are ridiculous. Don't do the same f'ing build every other game on maps that almost always favor it for 2 years, or if you do, prepare to be countered.
The 'imbaness' is that only one race can take advantage of that CC in middle... And that map isn't very good for 2 gate or 1 gate tech.
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On May 08 2009 19:32 SilverSkyLark wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2009 19:29 immacolate wrote: infested terran in pvz? come on this is imba bullshit.
That's what they said against mech. But no offense, Infested Terrans has always been in SC and people who whine about it are idiots who don't want to look for a solution. You can always take out that CC before queens pop.
No offense but which part of INFESTED TERRAN IN PVZ were you not able to understand?
Terrans have ranged units, tanks and mines that can take down ITs while they are closing in, Protoss only has dragoons and they do not even inflict full damage to ITs.
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Smix
United States4549 Posts
wow same placement again lol
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Shit, same positions as last game 2!
ZerO - OJ - 9 Kal - Creme - 6 (colors too!??!)
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They can't be sniped easily at all, it forces protoss to make a large goon army or to switch to reavers. It's pretty influential. And SilverSkyLark saying it is fine because they have been in the game forever is bullshit of course. The game wasn't meant like this, if it adds an extra dynamic then all for the better but if it creates an imbalance it's bullshit. We'll have to see in the coming games if protoss can beat zerg when zerg knows they will face reavers on this map.
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Yeah, but with making infested terrans he didnt even have a chance to use mutas, and his lurkers were extremely delayed.
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On May 08 2009 19:43 immacolate wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2009 19:32 SilverSkyLark wrote:On May 08 2009 19:29 immacolate wrote: infested terran in pvz? come on this is imba bullshit.
That's what they said against mech. But no offense, Infested Terrans has always been in SC and people who whine about it are idiots who don't want to look for a solution. You can always take out that CC before queens pop. No offense but which part of INFESTED TERRAN IN PVZ were you not able to understand? Terrans have ranged units, tanks and mines that can take down ITs while they are closing in, Protoss only has dragoons and they do not even inflict full damage to ITs.
* Large numbers of Dragoons with the Singularity Charge upgrade can destroy Infested Terrans before they can come within range to do harm. * The High Templar's Psionic Storm can easily stop Infested Terrans in their tracks. * Scouts and Carriers can attack Infested Terrans with complete impunity. * Reavers can eliminate Infested Terrans before they can approach close enough to destroy anything. * The Dark Archon's Maelstrom can immobilize Infested Terrans. Infested Terrans can also be taken over completely with Mind Control.
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Ohh, ensnare -> Infested Terran at mineral line?
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On May 08 2009 19:41 amoxicilline wrote: He's just the first who can do it in a televised match.
That's what makes it awesome. Sure Yosh has done mech TvZ before Fantasy, but Fantasy made it popular. Doing a new strategy successfully in a televised match gives other players confidence to use your strategy.
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On May 08 2009 19:41 amoxicilline wrote: I don't see how brilliant this is , it's not like they asked themselves why there was a cc in the middle of the map during practice ...
I'm pretty sure every pro zerg tried that in practice and every pro p faced it .
He's just the first who can do it in a televised match.
he still played well though
I agree, this is hardly brilliant. Its not like he had to come up with a strat.
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If the map had more about it that favored Toss, I'd be fine with it, but it seems like it's going to be a protoss graveyard all over from the few games we've seen on it.
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protoss counter: Mind Control. ggnore
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3 Lions
United States3705 Posts
overpool from Zero, Kal scouts in the right direction
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BTW I'm waiting for the "OMG HOLy WORLD IMBA!!!11!1!1!eleventy-one" thread to begin in brood war.
Looks like another overpool from zero, and a pylon-gate opening in the main for Kal.
Is Forge-FE impossible on the map? like i said, only other game I saw was a 5pool by Thezerg.
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On May 08 2009 19:42 OSWater wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2009 19:39 Heimatloser wrote: Bullshit. Next thing we see is maps where building-addons for terrans are already standing in the base, like scans from first moment, auto-attached physic-labs and controll-towers... shit why not. maybe there could be maps with creep on the ground in same areas too. it leaves it open for creative play. its been like 10 years, why not have a bit of fun.
They could have premade nuke silos and covert ops.
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See, now I demand a Mind controlled infested terran. DEMAND.
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Kal is 2 gating. Game two again? ;P
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Smix
United States4549 Posts
commentators: this is an important game for kal... his image has been weakening and if he loses the gap can only get bigger and bigger.. oh? is he going 2 gate?
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3 Lions
United States3705 Posts
imagine if a Protoss MC'd a queen and infested the CC before the Zerg
you can't steal already-infested CC's right? (lol obvious question)
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