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On April 24 2009 08:45 Starparty wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2009 00:08 IdrA wrote:On April 22 2009 22:01 Starparty wrote:On April 22 2009 21:56 IdrA wrote:On April 22 2009 21:52 Starparty wrote:On April 22 2009 19:17 IdrA wrote:
can the launcher not be changed to recognize a different game type?
The problem is the map signature. If you remove the map signature (i.e that little blizz icon onthe map) you will suddenly be able to create a game on any map in WCG mode. hence why i asked if they could make it so you dont have to use wcg mode well logically their tracker probably wouldnt note the game in that case... I dont really understand what you're getting at tbh. If you had the tracker set to, for example, only UMSmode maps, you would still need a signature on the map or you could theoretically win the online preliminaries by constantly playing evolves. what? just set it to check for one vs one mode if 2 people who both have gamon on play a one vs one then it records the result. wgt used to work that way i think, before blizzard fucked it all up Yes, but in that way there still isnt any control what map is being used. Just by toggling one on one mode doesnt mean that previously mentioned four maps are the only ones selectable to play on. Think of it as the old Blizzard ladder. When you picked Ladder mode you could only play maps with a ladder signature, as added on certain maps (ex Lost Temple), thus there was some kind of control what map was played. Its the exact same thing here. When you play in WCG mode, only maps with this certain blizzard signature can be played. And this signature is added by a special version of Staredit, one which cannot open locked korean pro maps. Its remarkably simple really. If you just read what i actually write you wont have to restate your question all the time. its already been answered back and forth... 
replay records map information, since it shows it in bwchart, replays can be uploaded to a site directly through the launcher. wgt's use to do it. therefore the site has access to the replay and the map name. set it to only accept games played on specific maps.
this has all been done before. dont really see why youre arguing.
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Thanks for the positive feedback.
We realize the importance of LAN latency and this feature has actually been in the works for incorporation into the launcher during the third week of May, but due to the amount of e-mails we received and the huge thread here, we decided to shift things around and bring it out a little earlier than we planned.
We will continue to play test during the week and over the weekend. The next tournament will definitely be much less "laggy".
Regarding the maps, Starparty really summarized it well. I'd like to point out that many Korean pro maps even when unlocked can be opened by StarEdit but when saved it gets corrupted. For example, one of the maps when saved were changed so that there were terrains missing which gave crazy huge advantage to one of the players. As we work directly with KeSPA and map creators, it's a simple matter to get the permission to use the maps and to get unlocked maps, but as the data gets corrupted during the signing process, we haven't been able to use it for our ladders. Hope this gives a better insight.
Having said that, we are working on other methods of play like LAN over Internet with map CRC checking and automatic replay collection for results saving for operations of smaller scale tournaments.
Thanks,
Sang Hong
World Cyber Games / Manager of Contents Development
sanger at wcg dot com
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iNcontroL
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OK!
Just tested the new GamOn
Lan latency: CHECK
Anti Hack: CHECK
No dropping: CHECK
WCG has REALLY come through guys.. we got it down.
PS: The admin was SUPER nice and SUPER serious about appeasing us. So big props to sanger <3
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On April 24 2009 15:50 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
OK!
Just tested the new GamOn
Lan latency: CHECK
Anti Hack: CHECK
No dropping: CHECK
WCG has REALLY come through guys.. we got it down.
PS: The admin was SUPER nice and SUPER serious about appeasing us. So big props to sanger <3
That's amazing to hear. Do we know if Day[9] + others will be in attendance because of these changes?
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Wow, this is good news. Looks like WCG really is moving in the right direction after all.
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its awesome what years of mediocrity can do to standards
the olympics of gaming is finally approaching the standards of tournaments run by sc2gg and eggy-x17
time for a parade
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On April 24 2009 16:06 IdrA wrote:
its awesome what years of mediocrity can do to standards
the olympics of gaming is finally approaching the standards of tournaments run by sc2gg and eggy-x17
time for a parade
Hahahahaha!
That's pretty much what I was thinking.
Have to admit therefore that it's nice that they take time to read and answer the forums of the community.
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If finding reasons to say something negative were a competition greg, you'd never have to call your opponent a skilless newbie.
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if i never got to insult people i wouldnt really be all that good at finding negative stuff to say now would i?
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iNcontroL
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oh so you are saying that with practice (continually) you are able to maintain this level? I always assumed it was some kind of ingrained talent or something.
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no im saying finding negative stuff to say kind of leads to insulting people
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The only pro gamer in this thread is the only one posting terribly and off topic constantly. Go figure.
Incontrol/sanger and everybody else who directly helped out to make this all come together so fast. THANKYOU!
Sorry dino. No wcg this year!
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congratulating them on catching up to 2 years ago is not good posting
i was making valid complaints about the map pool and then pointing out that they have not accomplished anything noteworthy. inc then diverted the discussion.
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On April 24 2009 15:50 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
OK!
Just tested the new GamOn
Lan latency: CHECK
Anti Hack: CHECK
No dropping: CHECK
WCG has REALLY come through guys.. we got it down.
PS: The admin was SUPER nice and SUPER serious about appeasing us. So big props to sanger <3
Wow...that was fast. lol, glad to hear that things really are getting done. Thank you to everyone involved!
Idra I think you might of missed this post when you said they've done nothing noteworthy, might want to reread.
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I'm not talking about your valid complaints idra. Those were all fine. Your extreme negativity towards any improvement doesn't compliment the fact that 'hey guys we are happy'. Just because other people have done it better doesn't mean you have to be so cynical. They are reading this thread, they do have programmers on the job fixing the problems.
I'll make it simple. Are you happy they raised there standards? That is my point really. Be happy for ten fucking seconds man. Smiling gets easier the more you do it =).
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thx for the life lessons
ill smile when i dont have to try to tvp nony on gaia
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i think the only reason dino wont be playing will be because of inactivity, not due to the no hack policy or im sure hed be bashing you some more ^^. i think this is great im really glad this is all fixed and when are the tournaments going to start? any clue inc? and also idra lol stop being such a debby downer geez
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iNcontroL
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On April 24 2009 23:39 likeaboss wrote:
i think the only reason dino wont be playing will be because of inactivity, not due to the no hack policy or im sure hed be bashing you some more ^^. i think this is great im really glad this is all fixed and when are the tournaments going to start? any clue inc? and also idra lol stop being such a debby downer geez
I THINK the next tourney starts on schedule which is like may 5th or something? Not sure.. but with this working perfectly they will start asap.
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Let's not break out the champagne yet gentlemen...
Idra's comment on what years of mediocrity does to standards is right on. In criminal kidnappings and torture victims there is something called Stockholm Syndrome where a kidnapped prisoner actually thanks the guy who is torturing him if he does something slightly nice. it's a total loss of perspective. let's remember this is still wcg. these celebrations over one email message are insane. do you think wcg has no problems now that the lan latency thing (which was egregiously retarded to even be an issue for two seconds, like no where else in the BW tourney world) is fixed?
basically the SC community is a guy, and WCG organization has been kicking us in the nuts and poking us in the eye. now they stopped poking us in the eye and continue kicking us in the nuts, so we thank them.
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On April 25 2009 00:08 fast ball player wrote:
Let's not break out the champagne yet gentlemen...
Idra's comment on what years of mediocrity does to standards is right on. In criminal kidnappings and torture victims there is something called Stockholm Syndrome where a kidnapped prisoner actually thanks the guy who is torturing him if he does something slightly nice. it's a total loss of perspective. let's remember this is still wcg. these celebrations over one email message are insane. do you think wcg has no problems now that the lan latency thing (which was egregiously retarded to even be an issue for two seconds, like no where else in the BW tourney world) is fixed?
basically the SC community is a guy, and WCG organization has been kicking us in the nuts and poking us in the eye. now they stopped poking us in the eye and continue kicking us in the nuts, so we thank them.
Except we have absolutely no reason to NOT be happy about these speedy responses. Continuing to be bitter because they are long overdue is nothing but pessimistic. They didn't have to make these fixes and we'd still participate kicking and screaming because we have NO other choice in tourneys (I can get into how as a long term model this is bad for them but with bare facts: they didn't have to do this).
We got what we wanted. That is reason enough to be happy. I am thankful that I won't have a crashing program and I WILL have lan latency for my online qualification of the most important tourney of the year.
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