[WL] Playoffs: KTF vs OZ - Page 89

On March 25 2009 01:31 koreasilver wrote:
Hwasin has shown a bunch of games where he will fly around the map with his bionic forces while building up a tank force at his nat.

Regardless, Flash's triple starport was overkill, and two starports are more than enough to produce enough vessals. Not producing tanks against hydralurk is just stupid, it's like deliberately making a game harder for yourself. Flash was producing more than enough vessals to irradiate defilers, and if he made tanks the hydras would not have been able to shoot down vessals as easily. He already had enough barracks, and he already had a factory with a machine shop attached to it that he used to produce vultures for mines. Constant tank production from just one factory would have been enough to make Jaedong's hydralurk unit composition much less effective.

On March 25 2009 05:30 ASAzerg wrote:
So it seems that some random guys think they have better decision-making than Flash who's not just extremely talented in Starcraft, but practices around 12 hours a day with other pros. Bravo! Perfect logic.

On March 25 2009 05:55 koreasilver wrote:

Of course Flash is better than anyone on this forum, he's open to errors. Just because someone is better than us doesn't mean that we cannot criticize his mistakes. You're the one that has presented a fallacious argument.

On March 25 2009 07:17 ASAzerg wrote:


We can criticize their errors when they lack scouting or information and get caught off guard. Flash clearly saw that Jaedong had switched tech to hydra-lurk and chose not to build tank. It could be that it'll be harder to micro such a slow moving unit in a huge map, and many other reasons. Let me remind you that we're just watching through the eyes of the observer who could not even keep up with all the actions. So, no, your argument is stupid.

Oh and you think you're so smart? Hwasin did tanks with bio build as you said and by.Hero completely trounced him with hydra-lurk push late game that seemed very similar to Jaedong. Try watch more games, kid.

On March 24 2009 09:42 SimonB wrote:

On the contrary, he generally does that when he should've won, but fucked up royally.

I can think of three other games where he had similar looks of shock.

Game 3 versus GGPlay on Plasma when he had a huge lead, and then got so overconfident that he didn't build any defenses except spider mines and so GGPlay just sent in a few groups of zerglings through.

Soon after that, there was a game versus Jaedong where he 14cc and lost to a zergling rush.

And just recently against Fantasy when he again lost after 14ccing.

I think everybody who is saying Flash played well needs to watch the second half of that game again. That was not just below average play for Flash's standards. It's below average play for progamer standards.

Counting only in a span of 10 minutes, I saw 20 vessels get sniped. I'm not exaggerating; I'm not rounding up. 20 vessels killed mostly by hydras because he was too late to move them. I saw pitiful groups of marines (without adequate medics, sometimes no medics) getting picked off doing hardly any damage. I saw them walking into lurkers. I saw groups of pure firebats going against groups of pure hydras (wtf?). I saw not a single tank. I saw a command center get sniped when he carelessly let it float within hydra range.

Where were his units? He was on 4 base! You macro up huge armies of M&M on 4 base, not to mention a lot of tanks. I'll bet you he had an obscene amount of minerals left when he GGed.