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On March 06 2009 20:33 raga4ka wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2009 20:19 Scorch wrote: Fuck this. How can Jaedong beat Bisu, only to lose to Stork right after that? Its simple , people pissing to much at stork , but when it turns in to a macro game i expect Stork to kill almost eny opponent . Bisu doesn't have the macro of Stork he is more of a multitasking harrasing type and you can't out multitask Jaedong . Also Jaedong doesn't have the macro of July/by.hero ( he does have good macro thought ). He doesn't even have their large army control . When it comes to controling 2 - 3 groups of units Jaedong micros pretty well but when you go in to the big fights Jaedong just attack moves just like all zerg . Thats why i respect July's ZvP much more then enyones - More macro , controling at least 4 groups of units at once like its 1 control group which kills down the protoss ball and you can clean it up later with superiour macro . If things are going this way by.hero has a pretty good chance at royal roading this OSL , his biggest threads are Jaedong and Luxury the way i see it , presuming he can take out Hwasin that is ... Its better to control 4 - 5 groups of units and do a good damage to the protoss ball , then attack moving all your shit in to them and losing all your army ... Attack moving is only good when you know you can outmacro him .
I remember by.hero's the one that had 2000+ mineral for two thirds of the game against some terran recently.
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how can ppl not see how amazing Stork's pvz style is?? He doesn't have Bisu's godly game sense and timing, he doesn't have that feeling where everything in the game just snaps into place and rapes the opponent.
But, he makes up for that with hard hard practice, solid defense, excellent mechanics, and an overall amazingly solid game. This guy is the epitomy of work-starcraft. He makes up for his total lack of understanding for pvz with hard work and with that he managed to take down the best zvp'ers in the game, and that for one amazes me.
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On March 07 2009 06:32 Creationism wrote: how can ppl not see how amazing Stork's pvz style is?? He doesn't have Bisu's godly game sense and timing, he doesn't have that feeling where everything in the game just snaps into place and rapes the opponent.
But, he makes up for that with hard hard practice, solid defense, excellent mechanics, and an overall amazingly solid game. This guy is the epitomy of work-starcraft. He makes up for his total lack of understanding for pvz with hard work and with that he managed to take down the best zvp'ers in the game, and that for one amazes me.
Stork = Naruto!! Bisu = Sasuke :\
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On March 07 2009 06:35 BisuBoi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2009 06:32 Creationism wrote: how can ppl not see how amazing Stork's pvz style is?? He doesn't have Bisu's godly game sense and timing, he doesn't have that feeling where everything in the game just snaps into place and rapes the opponent.
But, he makes up for that with hard hard practice, solid defense, excellent mechanics, and an overall amazingly solid game. This guy is the epitomy of work-starcraft. He makes up for his total lack of understanding for pvz with hard work and with that he managed to take down the best zvp'ers in the game, and that for one amazes me. Stork = Naruto!! Bisu = Sasuke :\ Actually, "six dragons" sounds like something out of Naruto.
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On March 07 2009 06:32 Creationism wrote: how can ppl not see how amazing Stork's pvz style is?? He doesn't have Bisu's godly game sense and timing, he doesn't have that feeling where everything in the game just snaps into place and rapes the opponent.
But, he makes up for that with hard hard practice, solid defense, excellent mechanics, and an overall amazingly solid game. This guy is the epitomy of work-starcraft. He makes up for his total lack of understanding for pvz with hard work and with that he managed to take down the best zvp'ers in the game, and that for one amazes me.
I'm not sure you can definitively say that he works harder than any other progamer. Just because he has "low" apm and great results doesn't necessarily mean that he practices more, more so that it favors his style. I am sure he could play at 300+ if he really wanted to, but some people prefer to play at lower apm, and focus on micro.
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Holy crap stork i believed in you from the beginning. Now keep up this work ethic and take the series.
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how can people not say jaedong had a good lead? He had two more gas expansions and had them for a while, he just killed almost all corsairs with scourge, he was even in supply and he had hive tech.
Then he just lost alot of units while doing zero damage and one of his expansion hatcheries = gg
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You know, for all the Protoss whining about Tears of the Moon imba, Protoss are 9-1 against Zerg on Return of the King this OSL.
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On March 07 2009 08:49 Jaksiel wrote: You know, for all the Protoss whining about Tears of the Moon imba, Protoss are 9-1 against Zerg on Return of the King this OSL.
Yes, and Jaedong thumbed down Medusa instead. Which at least gives you an idea of how he feels about playing here.
On March 07 2009 07:09 I_L_Jl wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2009 06:32 Creationism wrote: how can ppl not see how amazing Stork's pvz style is?? He doesn't have Bisu's godly game sense and timing, he doesn't have that feeling where everything in the game just snaps into place and rapes the opponent.
But, he makes up for that with hard hard practice, solid defense, excellent mechanics, and an overall amazingly solid game. This guy is the epitomy of work-starcraft. He makes up for his total lack of understanding for pvz with hard work and with that he managed to take down the best zvp'ers in the game, and that for one amazes me. I'm not sure you can definitively say that he works harder than any other progamer. Just because he has "low" apm and great results doesn't necessarily mean that he practices more, more so that it favors his style. I am sure he could play at 300+ if he really wanted to, but some people prefer to play at lower apm, and focus on micro.
Maybe not, but Stork is notorious for his ability for figuring out stuff when given time. Most of the times when he loses, it's because he prepared for one thing and his opponent ended up doing something completely different. i.e. Iris and Flash both killing him with much more aggressive builds than he's used to.
As someone has pointed out, if Stork becomes much more powerful once the game enters macro phase. It was surprising Jaedong went for the macro game over a mid-game push.
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I don't have anything against Stork, but if he beats Jaedong, and the final is Bisu v Stork, Stork better win. If not, then I'll have something against him.
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On March 07 2009 09:08 Jaksiel wrote: I don't have anything against Stork, but if he beats Jaedong, and the final is Bisu v Stork, Stork better win. If not, then I'll have something against him. I want Bisu to beat Stork if this happens for a fucking epic LOL akin to the their other final, which was really good.
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On March 07 2009 08:49 Jaksiel wrote: You know, for all the Protoss whining about Tears of the Moon imba, Protoss are 9-1 against Zerg on Return of the King this OSL. 9-1 this OSL? I guess that means Protoss really sucked it up PvZ on RotK last season, considering those 9 wins are all of the PvZ victories on the map (meaning, they lost every PvZ last season on RotK).
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On March 07 2009 09:36 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2009 08:49 Jaksiel wrote: You know, for all the Protoss whining about Tears of the Moon imba, Protoss are 9-1 against Zerg on Return of the King this OSL. 9-1 this OSL? I guess that means Protoss really sucked it up PvZ on RotK last season, considering those 9 wins are all of the PvZ victories on the map (meaning, they lost every PvZ last season on RotK).
To be fair, the 5 P's in those games were SangHo, Pure, Rock, BestGod, and Kal (who lost to Effort for what it's worth.)
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Jaedong T_T.... what a bad flank
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On March 07 2009 09:47 huameng wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2009 09:36 Sentenal wrote:On March 07 2009 08:49 Jaksiel wrote: You know, for all the Protoss whining about Tears of the Moon imba, Protoss are 9-1 against Zerg on Return of the King this OSL. 9-1 this OSL? I guess that means Protoss really sucked it up PvZ on RotK last season, considering those 9 wins are all of the PvZ victories on the map (meaning, they lost every PvZ last season on RotK). To be fair, the 5 P's in those games were SangHo, Pure, Rock, BestGod, and Kal (who lost to Effort for what it's worth.) well if you look at it that way the 4 wins out of 9 come from stork/bisu, so...
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looooooooool Best's army positioning vs Bisu was so bad
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On March 07 2009 01:44 baubo wrote: Stork showing once again that he can throw away game after game against nobodies in the PL only to show his true skills in starleagues. The man is so good when he actually bothers to practice.
And I agree that Stork's macro and army control is incredible. He loses so many PvZs early. But if the game stays even when he breaks out of his base, Stork literally becomes ten times harder to beat. Personally id say Storks macro is second to none. Sometimes he's fucking amazing and other times he just scrubs out.
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On March 07 2009 08:42 Painbringer wrote: how can people not say jaedong had a good lead? He had two more gas expansions and had them for a while, he just killed almost all corsairs with scourge, he was even in supply and he had hive tech.
Then he just lost alot of units while doing zero damage and one of his expansion hatcheries = gg i don't think jaedong had a good lead. i think they were about even, until jaedong had that horrible battle and lost the center+let stork take his fourth. it's not like stork lost his shuttle/reaver, or a lot of corsairs, so i don't know why you are saying jaedong had a big lead. stork had a good sair count for a long time, especially during when they mattered the most. stork's gameplan was designed to move out with that large army of templar/goon/zealot/reaver, so you can't really say either one had a lead unless 1)stork harassed really well 2)jaedong killed all of corsairs or shuttle/reaver. neither of those happened.
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On March 07 2009 10:32 OneOther wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2009 08:42 Painbringer wrote: how can people not say jaedong had a good lead? He had two more gas expansions and had them for a while, he just killed almost all corsairs with scourge, he was even in supply and he had hive tech.
Then he just lost alot of units while doing zero damage and one of his expansion hatcheries = gg i don't think jaedong had a good lead. i think they were about even, until jaedong had that horrible battle and lost the center+let stork take his fourth. it's not like stork lost his shuttle/reaver, or a lot of corsairs, so i don't know why you are saying jaedong had a big lead. stork had a good sair count for a long time, especially during when they mattered the most. stork's gameplan was designed to move out with that large army of templar/goon/zealot/reaver, so you can't really say either one had a lead unless 1)stork harassed really well 2)jaedong killed all of corsairs or shuttle/reaver. neither of those happened.
Yeah the important thing to note here is jaedong has to have all those expansions to keep up, much like protoss on pvt. This is bc fundamentally the toss army gets waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay stronger in the midgame to late game, zeal chon temp reaver is super hard to deal with as zerg, which is y u see games like bisu vs savior in the msl where savior chose simply to never engage bisu's main army. Allowing stork to produce such an army evens out and even puts jaedong behind. Also, on those hatches, drones get wiped left and right, so yes they were up, but not always fully effective.
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