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WindCalibur
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Canada938 Posts
February 07 2009 10:53 GMT
#181
Kwanro should have had way more hydras than he did.....i mean he had 4 bases...right? I think he just screwed up his macro and also let the storms do too much damage
Phearlock
Profile Joined December 2007
Norway400 Posts
February 07 2009 10:53 GMT
#182
Well, free really got the most out of his army, kwanro I think could have picked his battles a lot better really. >.<
LosingID8
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
CA10828 Posts
February 07 2009 10:53 GMT
#183
On February 07 2009 19:52 koziol wrote:
yes lol i thought kwarno has this ez when somebody wrote that free dosent mine at all ~

it was a good move by kwanro but free hardly lost any probes and it was for only a short period of time.
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TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-07 10:56:13
February 07 2009 10:54 GMT
#184
On February 07 2009 19:51 baubo wrote:
How did that happen?

I mean, how? That game defied all logic.

Free was ahead in upgrades and kwanro over expanded while free went basically all in off 2 base with like 8 or so gates. This coupled with the resources kwanro commited to the drop harass (2 ovies 4 lurksers and 200/200 for drops) left free with a pretty big timing window where he was very ahead in supply and he took perfect advantage of it with great execution.

Kwanro needed to wait as long as possibl to engage and not pump drones for quite as long. He also needed to get his hydra upgrades sooner.

As it went kwanro engaged right outside of free's base, this gave him the smallest amount of hydras he couldve had. Not a wise choice
Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
snapcrackle
Profile Joined December 2008
United States568 Posts
February 07 2009 10:57 GMT
#185
i think kwanro should have transitioned to mutas .... when goons came out kwanro was still pumping hydras. he should've made a spire while the contain was in place... then build a dozen mutas to pick off all the templars that free was saving up in his base (kwanro even knew free had a bunch of templars)
TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
February 07 2009 10:57 GMT
#186
On February 07 2009 19:57 snapcrackle wrote:
i think kwanro should have transitioned to mutas .... when goons came out kwanro was still pumping hydras. he should've made a spire while the contain was in place... then build a dozen mutas to pick off all the templars that free was saving up in his base (kwanro even knew free had a bunch of templars)

*glare*

Free had massed sairs , or did you forget about that?
Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
snapcrackle
Profile Joined December 2008
United States568 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-07 11:00:32
February 07 2009 10:59 GMT
#187
On February 07 2009 19:57 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2009 19:57 snapcrackle wrote:
i think kwanro should have transitioned to mutas .... when goons came out kwanro was still pumping hydras. he should've made a spire while the contain was in place... then build a dozen mutas to pick off all the templars that free was saving up in his base (kwanro even knew free had a bunch of templars)

*glare*

Free had massed sairs , or did you forget about that?

*glare*

mass sairs die later ...always do since the toss stop production. no difference in this game by the time the push started happening there weren't any sairs left
Jaksiel
Profile Joined November 2008
United States4130 Posts
February 07 2009 11:00 GMT
#188
On February 07 2009 19:52 LosingID8 wrote:
free vs forgg in Ro16

should be a good match


Should be a good macro-fest. Free's PvT is usually pretty entertaining, if fairly ugly at times (see: GOM match vs. Mind).
Zero fighting.
TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-07 11:02:24
February 07 2009 11:01 GMT
#189
On February 07 2009 19:59 snapcrackle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2009 19:57 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
On February 07 2009 19:57 snapcrackle wrote:
i think kwanro should have transitioned to mutas .... when goons came out kwanro was still pumping hydras. he should've made a spire while the contain was in place... then build a dozen mutas to pick off all the templars that free was saving up in his base (kwanro even knew free had a bunch of templars)

*glare*

Free had massed sairs , or did you forget about that?

mass sairs die later ...always do since the toss stop production. no difference in this game by the time the push started happening there weren't any sairs left

So your solution to beating someone who opens the game with 7 sairs is to invest 900/900 into muta? Horrible.

Even if he loses some sairs, if hes against muta he will simply rebuild them.
Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
Jaksiel
Profile Joined November 2008
United States4130 Posts
February 07 2009 11:01 GMT
#190
Kwanro is now going to have to overcome Byzantium 2 vs. a Protoss to advance.
Zero fighting.
johanes
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Czech Republic2229 Posts
February 07 2009 11:02 GMT
#191
On February 07 2009 19:54 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2009 19:51 baubo wrote:
How did that happen?

I mean, how? That game defied all logic.

Free was ahead in upgrades and kwanro over expanded while free went basically all in off 2 base with like 8 or so gates. This coupled with the resources kwanro commited to the drop harass (2 ovies 4 lurksers and 200/200 for drops) left free with a pretty big timing window where he was very ahead in supply and he took perfect advantage of it with great execution.

Kwanro needed to wait as long as possibl to engage and not pump drones for quite as long. He also needed to get his hydra upgrades sooner.

As it went kwanro engaged right outside of free's base, this gave him the smallest amount of hydras he couldve had. Not a wise choice

also he should have more lings as free was goon heavy, but probably not enough larvae AFAIK
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
February 07 2009 11:03 GMT
#192
On February 07 2009 19:54 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2009 19:51 baubo wrote:
How did that happen?

I mean, how? That game defied all logic.

Free was ahead in upgrades and kwanro over expanded while free went basically all in off 2 base with like 8 or so gates. This coupled with the resources kwanro commited to the drop harass (2 ovies 4 lurksers and 200/200 for drops) left free with a pretty big timing window where he was very ahead in supply and he took perfect advantage of it with great execution.

Kwanro needed to wait as long as possibl to engage and not pump drones for quite as long. He also needed to get his hydra upgrades sooner.

As it went kwanro engaged right outside of free's base, this gave him the smallest amount of hydras he couldve had. Not a wise choice


Well, I was really surprised that Kwanro had such a low unit count. He skipped spire tech totally so I thought his ground army had to have been larger.

Plus Free's harrass was pretty much nullified, so the zerg economy should've been a solid 3 base.

I guess Kwanro must've sacrifice a lot of probe production for his initial push.
Meh
TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
February 07 2009 11:04 GMT
#193
On February 07 2009 20:03 baubo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2009 19:54 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
On February 07 2009 19:51 baubo wrote:
How did that happen?

I mean, how? That game defied all logic.

Free was ahead in upgrades and kwanro over expanded while free went basically all in off 2 base with like 8 or so gates. This coupled with the resources kwanro commited to the drop harass (2 ovies 4 lurksers and 200/200 for drops) left free with a pretty big timing window where he was very ahead in supply and he took perfect advantage of it with great execution.

Kwanro needed to wait as long as possibl to engage and not pump drones for quite as long. He also needed to get his hydra upgrades sooner.

As it went kwanro engaged right outside of free's base, this gave him the smallest amount of hydras he couldve had. Not a wise choice


Well, I was really surprised that Kwanro had such a low unit count. He skipped spire tech totally so I thought his ground army had to have been larger.

Plus Free's harrass was pretty much nullified, so the zerg economy should've been a solid 3 base.

I guess Kwanro must've sacrifice a lot of probe production for his initial push.

Kwanro was at 4 full bases when Free moved out. Like I said, he over expanded.
Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
snapcrackle
Profile Joined December 2008
United States568 Posts
February 07 2009 11:04 GMT
#194
On February 07 2009 20:01 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2009 19:59 snapcrackle wrote:
On February 07 2009 19:57 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
On February 07 2009 19:57 snapcrackle wrote:
i think kwanro should have transitioned to mutas .... when goons came out kwanro was still pumping hydras. he should've made a spire while the contain was in place... then build a dozen mutas to pick off all the templars that free was saving up in his base (kwanro even knew free had a bunch of templars)

*glare*

Free had massed sairs , or did you forget about that?

mass sairs die later ...always do since the toss stop production. no difference in this game by the time the push started happening there weren't any sairs left

So your solution to beating someone who opens the game with 7 sairs is to invest 900/900 into muta? Horrible.


nope. my solution to free having free reign with templars is to invest 900/900 into mutas. there was a long enough gap for a spire to be built. i noticed it the entire game and seeing as many ZvP's as i have i felt a chill go down my spine knowing that the protoss ball might end up rolling over kwanros lead. lots of zerg time it down right like jaedong in his ace match against bisu. now please stop being ignorant and take time to process the info... notice that sair production stopped. hydras picked off most if not all the sairs here and there (this was in when lurkers were containing free and when free got his shuttle sniped). 900/900 is a sound investment into mutas.
Vivi57
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States6599 Posts
February 07 2009 11:05 GMT
#195
horang blue at bottom
doctork red at top
Flash hwaiting! Nal_rA forever!
Aesop
Profile Joined October 2007
Hungary11305 Posts
February 07 2009 11:05 GMT
#196
Game started now! K vs. Horang on the very same Carthage.

And already a Probe out by blue, who is Horang2!
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Vivi57
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States6599 Posts
February 07 2009 11:05 GMT
#197
horang proxying
Flash hwaiting! Nal_rA forever!
Jaksiel
Profile Joined November 2008
United States4130 Posts
February 07 2009 11:05 GMT
#198
Proxy gate!
Zero fighting.
Aesop
Profile Joined October 2007
Hungary11305 Posts
February 07 2009 11:06 GMT
#199
Cheese incoming by Horang, he is adding a proxy pylon off the scouting path. Follows up with a single gateway, so not even double gate proxy.
ModeratorNon veritas sed auctoritas facit legem. | Liquipedia: Don't ask me, I'm retired.
Vivi57
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States6599 Posts
February 07 2009 11:06 GMT
#200
SCOUTED
Flash hwaiting! Nal_rA forever!
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