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Hoping for Free and Kwanro.
Also hoping to actually be able to watch, I'm having trouble connecting to anything on YY.
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How do i put MSL Lost saga Banner in the op?
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Russian Federation1208 Posts
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FREE AND HORANG2 !!!!
die kwanro die
despicable zerg
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NO NOT THE FUCKING CHINA COMMENTATOR FUCKK NO NOONO NOF UCK FUCK FUCK
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Lets make 3 consecutive pages bitching about that chinese guy!
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FUCKFUCKCHINESECOMMENTARYWTF?WTFFFFF
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On February 07 2009 18:34 Bosu wrote:
NO NOT THE FUCKING CHINA COMMENTATOR FUCKK NO NOONO NOF UCK FUCK FUCK
On February 07 2009 18:34 [AhunGrY]MelOn wrote:
FUCKFUCKCHINESECOMMENTARYWTF?WTFFFFF
Jesus. And to think the first of those had an EDIT. What the hell could you have possibly had to edit? xD
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Free and Kwanro! Although if Kwanro doesn't make it I won't really care... just hoping for my LB.
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Predictions:
+ Show Spoiler +Everyone bitches about the Chinese commentator a lot.
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this group is kinda predictable... I think free and horang2 will make it
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On February 07 2009 18:36 Jaksiel wrote:Predictions: + Show Spoiler +Everyone bitches about the Chinese commentator a lot.
Ahaha very clever sir.
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Free in yellow at top, Doctor.K in blue at bottom.
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CA10828 Posts
oh god... it's the chinese commentator.
i was listening to some chinese music today and the language sounded so nice... but this guy...
;;;
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I predict free and some guy who will get eliminated in the RO16.
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oh god I cant watch this with that guy talking in chinese, fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck
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On the bright side, the stream certainly is lagless. =)
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how do i make chinese guy talking go away
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if he at least evened out the volume
i wouldnt care that much
but this is insane
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CA10828 Posts
lol 91%-9%
netizens predict free > doctor k
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Free actually let his scouting probe die to Zealots. Seems sloppy.
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free going for a dt rush
doctor.k hasn't put up his robo yet
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Free's second gateway is up while Doctor.K's is still warping. Free also started a Citadel.
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CA10828 Posts
free's build:
gate, core, gate, citadel
doctork:
gate, core, goon range, gate
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Since this group isn't really a must see, and I'm pretty sure free is going to win, I'm going to watch the VOD's tomorrow, get some sleep now, and not listen to that chinese guy. Good night everyone! =)
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Hungary11291 Posts
I can LR off yaoyuan if anyone wants it?
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On February 07 2009 18:42 Aesop wrote:
I can LR off yaoyuan if anyone wants it?
yes plz 
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Looks like fast DT's for Free, Doctor.K expands to his natural.
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Chinese commentators... Nooooo.
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free going dts and drk expanding without obs, this should be over quick.
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doctork expoing
dts will win the game >_<
robo starting after archives are done
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Hungary11291 Posts
Expansion placed for doctor.k, free's templar archives are already done. Robotics just starts as DTs are already building.
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Free expands. Doctor.K brings in a Robotics, but I think the DTs get there before he can get an Observer.
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Hungary11291 Posts
First two DTs are out and heading down the map. Probe transfer by doctork, DTs are reaching his base soon. Observatory building. DTs enter the natural!
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DOCTORK DEFENDS
free is even at best.
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Hungary11291 Posts
DocK fails to block, one DT enters his main base. Probes being transferred. Free attacking with his other forces as support.
First obs should be out soon.
Free's regular forces are mainly killed. More DTs coming down. First DT in main getting chased with the help of an obs.
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i guess that was not even close to dt rape -_-;;
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Hungary11291 Posts
Still two DTs alive at the expansion, slicing away at that Nexus. Still has some shields.
Free has his natural up. Nexus might go down?? Free has more goons there, hitting it.
NEXUS DIES.
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CA10828 Posts
LOL
2 dts run past the bridges
1 blocks the ramp while 1 runs into main
now free moves into nat with his goon/zeal and dts. he gets a decent amoutn of probe kills
NAT NEXUS DOWN!
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shit, gets the nex
he was so close to defending too.
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Free lost all his units but got the Nexus at the nat, and his natural is fully up and running.
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Hungary11291 Posts
Free adding to 6 gates, he has observers himself now. K is adding his natural nexus again and has a bunch of goons, only 4 gates for him.
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Doctor K. keeps his cool.
I like that.
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Hungary11291 Posts
Free has a firm lead now, although he does not have many more forces. Starts his forge for upgrades. K needs to do something drastic.
For now he adds a citadel. Natural Nexus is almost up again.
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CA10828 Posts
it's like 6 gate vs 2 gate (with 2 warping in)
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what the fuck is with the chinese guy at 3 x the volume of the korean commentators someone explain?
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if free's micro is anything like it was last week, doctork still has this
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Free's first observer is monitoring the natural expansion of K's that just got back online. Archives and Forge for K now. Free adding cannons in his mineral lines, obviously fearing a drop. Free adding a bunch of Zeals, so maybe going to push soon. He has way more units atm.
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CA10828 Posts
zealot speed done, free getting ready to a-move into the nat ...
i sense gg soon
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Hungary11291 Posts
Free's forces streaming down the map. K adding some zealots. SOme goons are out of position, at his left hand expansion. Huge fight of goon + probe against goon+ zeal. K getting pounded left and right, even though a cannon finishes.
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50 supply army attacks doctork's 20 supply army and it's over
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Free moves out and crushes Doctor.K's meager defenses. GG.
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i think what doctor K was trying to do is get temps quickly and try and catch up with storm drops etc, but free didn't give him and time and just used his early econ advantage for an easy win.
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Well assuming free wins the next one, at least the good Doctor has a slight chance against the other two guys.
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On February 07 2009 18:47 lazz wrote:
what the fuck is with the chinese guy at 3 x the volume of the korean commentators someone explain?
if you haven't noticed, yaoyuan.com is a chinese site. The chinese commentary is aim at a Chinese audience.
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I thought if you go pretty fast expansion, isn't observers a must or cannons at least. Considering doctor K didn't see range upgrading at all.
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I hope Kwanro can show us something. He hasn't done much lately.
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On February 07 2009 18:51 Too_MuchZerg wrote:
I thought if you go pretty fast expansion, isn't observers a must or cannons at least. Considering doctor K didn't see range upgrading at all.
Well, you can vary the timing of your Robotics a little bit, get it before you get your Nexus or shortly after. In this case, placing it AFTER the Nexus was the deciding factor.
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On February 07 2009 18:51 caelym wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2009 18:47 lazz wrote:
what the fuck is with the chinese guy at 3 x the volume of the korean commentators someone explain? if you haven't noticed, yaoyuan.com is a chinese site. The chinese commentary is aim at a Chinese audience.
ah ok didnt realise is there a low qual stream without the chinese comm?
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Kwanro has the most inappropriate nick ever. I mean, "Forhightech"? Has he ever used high tech units before?
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... I'm so horribly wanting to turn my volume up, but I know the chinese commentator is going to come on and blow my ears out.
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lol chinese guy is commenting on how cute horang2 is
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On February 07 2009 18:56 Mikilatov wrote:
... I'm so horribly wanting to turn my volume up, but I know the chinese commentator is going to come on and blow my ears out.
Scared the crap out of me when he started talking again. And I am chinese, but I don't like his dull voice
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man i hope that they start streaming this on daumsports in the ro16 or something, stupid chinese guy ><
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CA10828 Posts
OK TIME TO SEE IF HORANG2 LIVES UP TO THE HYPE!
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KWANRO HYPE ALL OVER AGAIN
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Kwanro microing his overlord with 300apm. woot
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CA10828 Posts
horang2 going forge-first FE
kwanro pool first
netizen poll:
49% horang2
51% kwanro
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kwanro with lings out already, who could have guessed
2 cannons out
HIDDEN 3RD HATCH!
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Hungary11291 Posts
Hidden third on the far right of the map. Horang is still keeping tabs on Kwanro with a probe but gets chased.
Lair started for Kwanro and his natural is up and running.
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Kwanro is having extreme difficulty with killing the scouting probe.
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CA10828 Posts
kwanro with 6 lings go to horang2's nat but runs back when he sees 2 cannons. nexus warping in now.
kwanro double expoing to his nat and 4oclock.
horang2 probe is still alive?
kwanro going lair. horang2 going stargate opening.
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Hungary11291 Posts
Stargate first for Horang, directly followed by a Citadel. Probe is heading for the right side of the map - ok turns back again. Tries to figure out if it is 2 or 3 hatch.
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CA10828 Posts
citadel for horang2, spire for kwanro
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Hungary11291 Posts
Spire placed as soon as Lair is done, no den yet. Maybe plain 3 hatch muta by Kwanro.
edit: LosingID too fast for me, you go on so we dont double post everything.
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Yaoyuan not working for me, so thanks for the LR!
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CA10828 Posts
2 more hatches + hydra den + evo chamber.
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Horang still has NO intel of the right side of the map. Sending down some zealots, but lings and sunkens are in a walled off position. RUNTHROUGH TO THE MAIN, ALL FOUR MAKE IT.
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CA10828 Posts
nal_ra saying that although horang2 doesn't see the hidden expo he can predict it based on other factors.
lol horang2 runs 4 zlot into kwanro's main and scouts everything + gets like 4-5 drone kills.
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CA10828 Posts
reaver tech up next for horang2
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Hungary11291 Posts
Like 4-5 drones died to that assault. not a bad attack for Horang.
He adds three more gateways, but he STILL isnt aware of the secret expansion.
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Corsair force of five moves out from a hidden position. Gonne do a Reaver / Sair attack after all, while his Zealot leg timing led Kwanro to other assumptions.
Picks up 2nd Reaver?
This could be a huge speedleg / corsair / Reaver push. Interesting
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Hungary11291 Posts
Shuttle passes the Hydras that head up the map. Horang caught in a narrow spot
HUGE SCARABS DESTROY HYDRAS.
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CA10828 Posts
shuttle speedup done, 5 gates for horang2. he's moving out now, but kwanro has 1.5-2 groups of hydras moving up to the nat
OH SICK
horang2 drops the 2 reavers from behind and gets in 4 sick scarab shots
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Hungary11291 Posts
Kwanro is on the run now, chased by dual Reaver speedshuttle, legged zealots and one goon.
Almost manages to snipe one of the Reavers.
ENough Hydras out now, and declare the push finished. Horang needs more expansions.
STill both Reavers alive, great micro.
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CA10828 Posts
horang2 doing a great job killing 2-3 hydras here and there with reavers.
high templars out now, minor ovie harassment with sairs.
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reaver snipe
makes up for all the unkilled reavers from earlier.
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CA10828 Posts
oh nice hydra flank, snipes 4 hts
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Wow, Kwanro sniped all the HT's.
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Horrible...that just cost Horang2 the game most likely. How can you lose 4 temps without getting a single storm off? Did he forget it?
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Hungary11291 Posts
Kwanro pushing into the natural with hydras, snipes TWO wounded Reavers.
Templars out for Horand and another push incoming. Cathes some lurkers morphing. Pushes down the map again, man, he is hyper aggressive.
ALL TEMPS SNIPED BY HYDRAS. I wonder if they even had storm yet.
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CA10828 Posts
kwanro using this time to drone whore and 6 expo is running now
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nice, 3 evos runnig for kwanro with 4 bases, 5 soon
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Hungary11291 Posts
Kwanro added a bunch of drones and two more expansion hatcheries at bottom right. Horang in a VERY tough spot, now that he missed his attack window. He is adding Goons at the moment to combat the Hydra Lurker combo.
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CA10828 Posts
3 evo chambers running for kwanro, his macro is going to be so strong
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Hungary11291 Posts
Horang pushing out again, this time to clear the expansion at 12. Dual Reaver with shuttle, some temps, control group goons and maybe 8 zealots. Meets a large force of Kwaro's , hydra lurker. One storm finally hits. Kwanro retreating but killed some.
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Hive is morphing for Kwanro. Horang pushing for bottom right, to get those expansions.
Loses BOTH Reavers and gets flanked by Hydras. Most of his army dead, this looks over.
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It's over. Horang is crushed.
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jesus christ kwanro is so aggressive
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Hungary11291 Posts
Hive done, remaining goons and zealots push through some goons, but still Kwanro's macro will easily be able to replace them. Bottom expansions running now. FPview shows 103 supply for Kwanro at the moment and him frantically upgrading.
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How is Horang getting enough resources to power 8 gates off of only 2 bases?
...And as I'm wondering this, he GG's.
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FPview Horang has like 120 supply, but two temps are about to get sniped as they lagged behind the army. They die without much trouble.
Still no attempt at claiming more bases for Horang. Fight with a bunch of hydras, some good storms, but the goons might get overran in the end.
ggs out.
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The screen was on Horang's screen as he typd gg and qq'ed
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Russian Federation376 Posts
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That was brutal. Kwanro assassinated so many tech units, haha.
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CA10828 Posts
to be fair, in an interview horang2 said that he thought his hardest match today would be PvZ on this map.
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beautiful kwanro. Beautiful
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On February 07 2009 19:18 Mikilatov wrote:
That was brutal. Kwanro assassinated so many tech units, haha.
Forhighteh yo
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Maybe Savior teached him some ye olde tricks
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Thanks for live reporting and keep it up! Some appriciate those
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CA10828 Posts
LOL such a funny the ring spoof commercial
"sunday night, 12am. what is scarier than a horror movie? the fact that tomorrow is monday. who will comfort us?"
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Was pretty cool watching the last minute or so from Horang view. I wish they showed FP view more often. Usually its just at the start of the game when they are building probes.
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51449 Posts
wannabe-ragnarok girl doing a game?!
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still love fbh's bc d matrix
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still crying about that flank he did on hwasin... in most situations that many lings would've handled that many marines... but in that game the lings melted like butter ><
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Hungary11291 Posts
Ah cmon, enough of the analysis, let there be more games.
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Hungary11291 Posts
Game started, Kwanro top left, free bottom right. Map is Carthage.
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Hungary11291 Posts
Pylon at expansion as usual, free sends that probe out to scout. Kwanro appears to be going for a gas and pool, so free will have to Forge early.
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Hungary11291 Posts
Forge warping in, Kwanro morphing first 6 lings?
Probe sticks around to see what hatches out of these eggs.
6 Lings indeed! Chase that initial probe but do not go for the base yet.
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CA10828 Posts
free's sim city looks strangely familiar... identical to kal vs luxury... and we know what happened there.
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Hungary11291 Posts
Two cannons for free. Kwanro with 8 lings now, finally catches the scouting probe. Expands to his natural. Free getting a third cannon even, not even a Nexus started now. Sends out yet another probe to look for the ling allin. Kwanro spreading lings over the map to prevent scouting and whoring drones now.
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Kwanro expanding a 2nd time to top right this time. Resumes gas mining after placing that expansion. Free still weary of an all-in, finally gets his expansion Nexus and sends out one more probe for scouting purposes. Kwanro sending his ling force to catch it and manages to do so!
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Hungary11291 Posts
Cycore started for free, Hive for Kwanro. Maybe he will exploit the late expansion / core in order to go fast Muta?
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Stargate started for free now. All hatcheries done morphing for Kwanro. Now Citadel too for free. Still he cannot get any intel on his opponent, so he is simply closing off the gaps in the wall with his Zealots.
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hah that core and gateway placement says to kwanro, lets lurkah!!!
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Hungary11291 Posts
Hydra den instead of a spire for Kwanro, so he might be going for fast lurkers. Core spinning for free, templar archives and cannons at his main Nexus.
Kwanro adding a 4th hatchery. I would even think free is upgrading air attack against mutas, as he has another corsair coming. Finds the hydra den now.
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Hungary11291 Posts
Corsair claims his 2nd kill and finds the hatch morphing. 3rd gate just started for free. His corsair found the top right expansion, together with a fifth morphing hatchery. He is sending a DT to top right though!
Lurkers start firing at that wallin!
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CA10828 Posts
LOL drones get stuck on maynard and dt rapes them hahahahaha
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Hungary11291 Posts
Plenty overlords and hydras at that top right, no chance to do anything. Cycore upgrade might be cancelled by lurkers!
CORSAIRS KILL OVERLORDS AT TOP EXPANSION. DTS SNEAK IN.
New Overlord hatches in time and Kwanro kills that DT.
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+1 air attack does NOT finish.
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Dude the Chinese commentating owns LOL
+ Show Spoiler +it's so funny to hear starcraft in your second language and all the slang terms
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Free adding zeal / templar now to break out of that contain. Kwanro with his 5 hatch and many hydra style, just as against Horang. NOw he also has a sport at top right. Free still kills off an overlord there.
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Free adding some goons now, indicating he wants to break out soon. He has a shuttle too.
free still roaming the map with some corsairs. Kwanro expanding once more to the 10ish position.
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I guess Free didn't like that shuttle or something.
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Hungary11291 Posts
Shuttle moving towards top right! Corsairs ready to escort. Maybe 6-8 drones at that expansion. No scourge in the air yet, neither have I seen a spire yet. Free pressuring the contain with Storms!
Shuttle with drop incoming. Hydras follow. SNIPE SHUTTLE.
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I have tvants installed, how come yaoyuan doesn't work for me. I click the 400 button but in the end the screen says error loading (获取失败).
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Hungary11291 Posts
That was critical to free's plan, he wanted to break the contain just when Kwanro was busy dealing with the drop. Now he tries to break out, has observers ready. Throws some storms but looks undediced still. Loses yet another Observer and Kwanro is morphing more and more lurkers.
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LURKER DROPS
ALL MINING FOR FREE STOPPED
fre desperately attacking with his whole army
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Zurich15328 Posts
wait is kwanro actually winning this? how can that happen?
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Hungary11291 Posts
Lurkers dropped in free's main. ONe burrows outside of cannons range. Free still having trouble to break out against that contain. Yet another lurker drops, at the natural now. Gets 2 probes?
Free finally breaks out with his large foon force, but he needs to resume mining and clear those lurkers.
Natural cleared. Observer moving to main.
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Second lurker dies. Massive number of hydras going for free now though. He is still on 2 base. GOon temp mainly for free. Some brilliant storms and timely archon morph. Free breaking through for the moment.
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man didnt know that chinese can sound that nasty....hearing that guy i just want to hit somebody 
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This reminds me so much of the GGplay vs Kal game.
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Free has a good force, but he needs more bases now. Kwanro still on Hydra only though, but looking damn good. Only 2-3 temps left in Free's army. Kwanro suiciding some overlords. Free heading for top right, in order to shut that one down.
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Very precise storming by free, and his goon temp zeal cuts through Kwanro's hydras. He has reached the natural now! Still many goons alive and Zeals reinforcing. He could win this!
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what just happened to kwanro's army.
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What do you mean he "could win this"? Hes raping kwanro hard lol.
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Hungary11291 Posts
Free STOMPS Kwanro's natural. Kwanro reproducing here and there, but he has no chance against that Protoss Ball. Units Enter his main base where MANY drones are stacked.
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Kwanro's main getting raped, ggs out.
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So to recap:
Get contained. Throw away shuttle. Get mining stopped for a while.
Move out, rape.
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I see signs that read "thunder emperor"
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This LR sounded so wrong haha.
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How did that happen?
I mean, how? That game defied all logic.
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CA10828 Posts
free vs forgg in Ro16
should be a good match
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Hungary11291 Posts
Free just showed awesome control during the clutch moments, when he broke out of his natural and when he attacked top right. Also the instinct to go for the natural instead of for the expansion of top right clearly paid off.
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Free showing why hes a respected protoss force and why kwanro is a freaking joke zerg
Everything that game went kwanros way except for the drones getting stuck while maynarding and he gets easily stomped anyways.
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yes lol i thought kwarno has this ez when somebody wrote that free dosent mine at all ~
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On February 07 2009 19:50 Jaksiel wrote:
So to recap:
Get contained. Throw away shuttle. Get mining stopped for a while.
Move out, rape.
hey hey, it was just 2 templars and 2 zealots?, lets not confuse him with best who throws away a bunch of corsairs/shuttle&reaver then moves out and wins.
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Kwanro should have had way more hydras than he did.....i mean he had 4 bases...right? I think he just screwed up his macro and also let the storms do too much damage
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Well, free really got the most out of his army, kwanro I think could have picked his battles a lot better really. >.<
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On February 07 2009 19:52 koziol wrote:
yes lol i thought kwarno has this ez when somebody wrote that free dosent mine at all ~
it was a good move by kwanro but free hardly lost any probes and it was for only a short period of time.
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On February 07 2009 19:51 baubo wrote:
How did that happen?
I mean, how? That game defied all logic.
Free was ahead in upgrades and kwanro over expanded while free went basically all in off 2 base with like 8 or so gates. This coupled with the resources kwanro commited to the drop harass (2 ovies 4 lurksers and 200/200 for drops) left free with a pretty big timing window where he was very ahead in supply and he took perfect advantage of it with great execution.
Kwanro needed to wait as long as possibl to engage and not pump drones for quite as long. He also needed to get his hydra upgrades sooner.
As it went kwanro engaged right outside of free's base, this gave him the smallest amount of hydras he couldve had. Not a wise choice
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i think kwanro should have transitioned to mutas .... when goons came out kwanro was still pumping hydras. he should've made a spire while the contain was in place... then build a dozen mutas to pick off all the templars that free was saving up in his base (kwanro even knew free had a bunch of templars)
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On February 07 2009 19:57 snapcrackle wrote:
i think kwanro should have transitioned to mutas .... when goons came out kwanro was still pumping hydras. he should've made a spire while the contain was in place... then build a dozen mutas to pick off all the templars that free was saving up in his base (kwanro even knew free had a bunch of templars)
*glare*
Free had massed sairs , or did you forget about that?
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On February 07 2009 19:57 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2009 19:57 snapcrackle wrote:
i think kwanro should have transitioned to mutas .... when goons came out kwanro was still pumping hydras. he should've made a spire while the contain was in place... then build a dozen mutas to pick off all the templars that free was saving up in his base (kwanro even knew free had a bunch of templars) *glare* Free had massed sairs , or did you forget about that?
*glare*
mass sairs die later ...always do since the toss stop production. no difference in this game by the time the push started happening there weren't any sairs left
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On February 07 2009 19:52 LosingID8 wrote:
free vs forgg in Ro16
should be a good match
Should be a good macro-fest. Free's PvT is usually pretty entertaining, if fairly ugly at times (see: GOM match vs. Mind).
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On February 07 2009 19:59 snapcrackle wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2009 19:57 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:On February 07 2009 19:57 snapcrackle wrote:
i think kwanro should have transitioned to mutas .... when goons came out kwanro was still pumping hydras. he should've made a spire while the contain was in place... then build a dozen mutas to pick off all the templars that free was saving up in his base (kwanro even knew free had a bunch of templars) *glare* Free had massed sairs , or did you forget about that? mass sairs die later ...always do since the toss stop production. no difference in this game by the time the push started happening there weren't any sairs left
So your solution to beating someone who opens the game with 7 sairs is to invest 900/900 into muta? Horrible.
Even if he loses some sairs, if hes against muta he will simply rebuild them.
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Kwanro is now going to have to overcome Byzantium 2 vs. a Protoss to advance.
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On February 07 2009 19:54 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2009 19:51 baubo wrote:
How did that happen?
I mean, how? That game defied all logic. Free was ahead in upgrades and kwanro over expanded while free went basically all in off 2 base with like 8 or so gates. This coupled with the resources kwanro commited to the drop harass (2 ovies 4 lurksers and 200/200 for drops) left free with a pretty big timing window where he was very ahead in supply and he took perfect advantage of it with great execution. Kwanro needed to wait as long as possibl to engage and not pump drones for quite as long. He also needed to get his hydra upgrades sooner. As it went kwanro engaged right outside of free's base, this gave him the smallest amount of hydras he couldve had. Not a wise choice
also he should have more lings as free was goon heavy, but probably not enough larvae AFAIK
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On February 07 2009 19:54 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2009 19:51 baubo wrote:
How did that happen?
I mean, how? That game defied all logic. Free was ahead in upgrades and kwanro over expanded while free went basically all in off 2 base with like 8 or so gates. This coupled with the resources kwanro commited to the drop harass (2 ovies 4 lurksers and 200/200 for drops) left free with a pretty big timing window where he was very ahead in supply and he took perfect advantage of it with great execution. Kwanro needed to wait as long as possibl to engage and not pump drones for quite as long. He also needed to get his hydra upgrades sooner. As it went kwanro engaged right outside of free's base, this gave him the smallest amount of hydras he couldve had. Not a wise choice
Well, I was really surprised that Kwanro had such a low unit count. He skipped spire tech totally so I thought his ground army had to have been larger.
Plus Free's harrass was pretty much nullified, so the zerg economy should've been a solid 3 base.
I guess Kwanro must've sacrifice a lot of probe production for his initial push.
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On February 07 2009 20:03 baubo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2009 19:54 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:On February 07 2009 19:51 baubo wrote:
How did that happen?
I mean, how? That game defied all logic. Free was ahead in upgrades and kwanro over expanded while free went basically all in off 2 base with like 8 or so gates. This coupled with the resources kwanro commited to the drop harass (2 ovies 4 lurksers and 200/200 for drops) left free with a pretty big timing window where he was very ahead in supply and he took perfect advantage of it with great execution. Kwanro needed to wait as long as possibl to engage and not pump drones for quite as long. He also needed to get his hydra upgrades sooner. As it went kwanro engaged right outside of free's base, this gave him the smallest amount of hydras he couldve had. Not a wise choice Well, I was really surprised that Kwanro had such a low unit count. He skipped spire tech totally so I thought his ground army had to have been larger. Plus Free's harrass was pretty much nullified, so the zerg economy should've been a solid 3 base. I guess Kwanro must've sacrifice a lot of probe production for his initial push.
Kwanro was at 4 full bases when Free moved out. Like I said, he over expanded.
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On February 07 2009 20:01 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2009 19:59 snapcrackle wrote:On February 07 2009 19:57 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:On February 07 2009 19:57 snapcrackle wrote:
i think kwanro should have transitioned to mutas .... when goons came out kwanro was still pumping hydras. he should've made a spire while the contain was in place... then build a dozen mutas to pick off all the templars that free was saving up in his base (kwanro even knew free had a bunch of templars) *glare* Free had massed sairs , or did you forget about that? mass sairs die later ...always do since the toss stop production. no difference in this game by the time the push started happening there weren't any sairs left So your solution to beating someone who opens the game with 7 sairs is to invest 900/900 into muta? Horrible.
nope. my solution to free having free reign with templars is to invest 900/900 into mutas. there was a long enough gap for a spire to be built. i noticed it the entire game and seeing as many ZvP's as i have i felt a chill go down my spine knowing that the protoss ball might end up rolling over kwanros lead. lots of zerg time it down right like jaedong in his ace match against bisu. now please stop being ignorant and take time to process the info... notice that sair production stopped. hydras picked off most if not all the sairs here and there (this was in when lurkers were containing free and when free got his shuttle sniped). 900/900 is a sound investment into mutas.
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Game started now! K vs. Horang on the very same Carthage.
And already a Probe out by blue, who is Horang2!
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Cheese incoming by Horang, he is adding a proxy pylon off the scouting path. Follows up with a single gateway, so not even double gate proxy.
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Doctor.K turns maphack on and finds the proxy almost immediately.
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K TURNS BACK. FINDS THE PROXY.
ADDS TWO GATES, HE IS READY.
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...I think Doctor.K even got his first Zealot before Horang2 did.
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ooh, going to proxy reavers i think
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no, dts
doctork scouts horang's gas
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HIDDEN CORE FOR HORANG, CITADEL TOO.
PROXY GATE INTO PROXY TECH INTO DT??
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lol.
horang has no gates
but he does have archives...
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Horang being chased through K's base by a larger number of Zealots. CItadel finishes and Archives is started.
Horang also has a goon at the proxy, sort of giving away his tech. Kills one of Ks Zealots now.
Has a probe fighting too. Needs a pylon though.
Gateway unpowered!
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and cannon going up for k
dts should defend and this could become an interesting macro game
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Gateway finished at mainbase for Horang. K adding a cannon at his main. Horang snatching some probe kills, K going for the counter with some Zealots. This game is crazy.
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3 Zealots reach Horang's base, he has a single DT out that assaults the intruders, hasnt lost many probes as of yet. Horang used the stop spam to get them out of the way.
K adding more cannons to his main, retreats for now.
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Fucking godly probe micro. He kills 3 zealots with only like 2 or 3 probe loses with basically probes only(the dt didnt really do anything as the zeals were already did).
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i feel so sorry for anyone who has to play horang on tv
must be the most painful thing ever
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Both appear to be consolidating for the moment. K has a Robotics coming up, so mobile detection is imminent. Horang chasing him up the map with his DTs, grabs a Zealot and a GOon kill. Wont be able to do anything at the main though, as there are well positioned cannons.
Finally goon range for Horang.
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Third gate going up for Horang, k has an observatory up and also a third gatewayupcoming. FOUR DTs now for Horang and he checkes out Ks base
trades DT against goon.
Expansions??
One Observer out, k chases the three DTs and kills one of them! Horang needs another army now.
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K looks ready to expand now. Horang has three goons to back up his templars. K might just overrun him now, if there arent more forces coming.
5 goons for Horang, about 7 heading down the map for k.
Fourth gate coming for Horang.
Goons against Goons + DT. Horang comes out on top with SIX goons surviving.
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Very very impressive army movements from horang there.
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Thx for the reports Aesop!
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Less impressive there
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Expansion started for K. Still no detection for Horang, but K isnt moving for DT yet. Horang attacking that expansion of K's, but gets a bloody nose. He needs to expand for himself now, or is that one huge 4 gate goon allin?
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On February 07 2009 20:11 IdrA wrote:
i feel so sorry for anyone who has to play horang on tv
must be the most painful thing ever
Have you practiced with him?
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Shouldn't Doctor.K have found that proxy by now?
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Horang setting up a contain at the ramp near k's base. STill nothing but 4 gates pumping goons, now zealots being added and a robotics at the proxy location.
K adding AI pylons to his natural, sensing the danger.
Observatory upcoming for Horang. AI Pylon taken out. ABout Equal goon numbers.
Horang attacks. K looks like he can defend this!
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About 10 goons left for K after this fight, Horang without an expo - he has failed I think, might gg as well.
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impressive focus attack by K.
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Horang really cannot win this if he stays one base economy. Still he is adding a Reaver support bay.
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proxy tech finally scouted.
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Shuttle is out, maybe a Reaverdrop is coming now. Finally citadel for k. Horang with 4 gate, Reavers, adding some Zealots. K's observer discovers the proxy and the shuttle!!!
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allin with goons and a reaver now, lets see how this ends
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Reaver is in the shuttle, goon zeal + 1 reaver in shuttle for Horang to break the massive wall of goons of k's. This is his last chance!
K moving out of his base to get better positioning. 2nd Reaver might be building and come out soon.
Leg speed for K is likely not done yet, but he is adding zeals already. Horang gets his 2nd Reaver ready.
Clash imminent!
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Horang is fucked
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Horang moves in, loses shuttle and one Reaver.
K flanks him from all sides. Looks like k will hold this!!!
He has more units now, Horang retreats. Legspeed done too, gg.
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Expansion is up and running for Doktor ... still no exp for Horang, i don't think Horang has any possibility to crush the exp and come back into game, but let's see
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Wow. How is this kid hyped? Can't even win with 2 reavers and high ground advantage. :S
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On February 07 2009 20:20 sushiman wrote:
Wow. How is this kid hyped? Can't even win with 2 reavers and high ground advantage. :S
I'm pretty sure he was severely outnumbered goon-wise.
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On February 07 2009 20:20 sushiman wrote:
Wow. How is this kid hyped? Can't even win with 2 reavers and high ground advantage. :S
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Did you watch the rest of the fucking game? Did you see the army sizes? Did you notice how it was 1 base to 2?
After his proxy gate was scouted right away he was fighting an uphill battle all game.
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On February 07 2009 20:20 sushiman wrote:
Wow. How is this kid hyped? Can't even win with 2 reavers and high ground advantage. :S
Did you just started watching? Even so just a glance at the minimap should be obvious.
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On February 07 2009 20:20 sushiman wrote:
Wow. How is this kid hyped? Can't even win with 2 reavers and high ground advantage. :S
He had vastly inferior numbers on standard units. It was his last ditch effort.
lol, massive sushiman flame
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On February 07 2009 20:20 sushiman wrote:
Wow. How is this kid hyped? Can't even win with 2 reavers and high ground advantage. :S
additional shitstormmmmm!!
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On February 07 2009 20:20 sushiman wrote:
Wow. How is this kid hyped? Can't even win with 2 reavers and high ground advantage. :S
*flame*
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On February 07 2009 20:21 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2009 20:20 sushiman wrote:
Wow. How is this kid hyped? Can't even win with 2 reavers and high ground advantage. :S ? Did you watch the rest of the fucking game? Did you see the army sizes? Did you notice how it was 1 base to 2?
Yes I did. He failed in every engagement, didn't bother to exp even if he was safe when he had DT's and his opponent spent money on cannons for protection, AND wasted 2 reavers when docK had none, without even getting any use from them.
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On February 07 2009 20:23 sushiman wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2009 20:21 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:On February 07 2009 20:20 sushiman wrote:
Wow. How is this kid hyped? Can't even win with 2 reavers and high ground advantage. :S ? Did you watch the rest of the fucking game? Did you see the army sizes? Did you notice how it was 1 base to 2? Yes I did. He failed in every engagement, didn't bother to exp even if he was safe when he had DT's and his opponent spent money on cannons for protection, AND wasted 2 reavers when docK had none, without even getting any use from them.
but you were emphasizing on the reavers and high ground so...
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On February 07 2009 20:23 sushiman wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2009 20:21 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:On February 07 2009 20:20 sushiman wrote:
Wow. How is this kid hyped? Can't even win with 2 reavers and high ground advantage. :S ? Did you watch the rest of the fucking game? Did you see the army sizes? Did you notice how it was 1 base to 2? Yes I did. He failed in every engagement, didn't bother to exp even if he was safe when he had DT's and his opponent spent money on cannons for protection, AND wasted 2 reavers when docK had none, without even getting any use from them.
The point being that this Reaver attack happened WAY after what decided the outcome of the game. The game was decided through the DT attack failing, K countering in time, and Horang deciding to go for an all-in instead than for an expansion. That Reaver attack was almost meaningless and with inferior numbers, and that's why everyone flamed you.
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On February 07 2009 20:24 iLoveKTF wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2009 20:23 sushiman wrote:On February 07 2009 20:21 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:On February 07 2009 20:20 sushiman wrote:
Wow. How is this kid hyped? Can't even win with 2 reavers and high ground advantage. :S ? Did you watch the rest of the fucking game? Did you see the army sizes? Did you notice how it was 1 base to 2? Yes I did. He failed in every engagement, didn't bother to exp even if he was safe when he had DT's and his opponent spent money on cannons for protection, AND wasted 2 reavers when docK had none, without even getting any use from them. but you were emphasizing on the reavers and high ground so...
Well personally I think you should be able to get more than 2 shots with 2 reavers and a shuttle, but maybe that's just me. ~~
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why do they have to have those lines flashing everywhere on the map preview
i get really annoyed when I see that for some reason
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On February 07 2009 20:28 whatusername wrote:
why do they have to have those lines flashing everywhere on the map preview
i get really annoyed when I see that for some reason
Pathing.
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On February 07 2009 20:25 sushiman wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2009 20:24 iLoveKTF wrote:On February 07 2009 20:23 sushiman wrote:On February 07 2009 20:21 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:On February 07 2009 20:20 sushiman wrote:
Wow. How is this kid hyped? Can't even win with 2 reavers and high ground advantage. :S ? Did you watch the rest of the fucking game? Did you see the army sizes? Did you notice how it was 1 base to 2? Yes I did. He failed in every engagement, didn't bother to exp even if he was safe when he had DT's and his opponent spent money on cannons for protection, AND wasted 2 reavers when docK had none, without even getting any use from them. but you were emphasizing on the reavers and high ground so... Well personally I think you should be able to get more than 2 shots with 2 reavers and a shuttle, but maybe that's just me. ~~
In general you are right, in particular you are wrong. How long you can keep your Reavers alive is related to how dangerous it is for your opponent to snipe them. With equal goon numbers, he will lose the entire fight if he needlessly sacrifices goons. If he has WAY more than you do, he can send them into your army and aim some for the Reavers without worrying.
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Ok, Final game of the day.
DoktorK at top left, Kwanro bottom right on Byzantium I think?
K scouts the wrong base (top right). Kwanro with pool / gas again.
K placing a forge.
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K scouts Kwanro now and sees two eggs, then three morphing. He might be putting Nexus first after Forge anyway. And he does, cause of cross position.
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Six lings are out and heading for K's base, chasing the scouting probes. Kwanro expanding to his natural. Two cannons warping at the expansion, Kwanro retreats his lings.
Scouting probes checkes out the natural at the expansion and sees a 2nd drone leave the base.
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K has the best possible outcome from this I guess, with relatively early nexus and still safe. Kwanro with 12 lings runthrough, loses all but like 5-6, but those are still very dangerous!
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nice games today i must say ;] gogo Bul_T !
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a buncha speedlings run by to the main of Doctor K
a disaster
he insists on attacking zerglings with probes and is left with about 8
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Kwanro fights head on against the probes at the main, kills ALL of them!
One zealot comes down to help, but K is in HUGE trouble now.
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And Doctor.K's probes are dead.
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Doctor.K = not good at pvz
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even i can make a better probe wall
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Lings snipe the first rebuilt probe. K mining only fron his natural. Lings snipe another probem 2 lings left now.
Kwanro has vastly better economy at the moment Lings almost snipe another probe gddamn.
Another.
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On February 07 2009 20:34 Aesop wrote:
Kwanro fights head on against the probes at the main, kills ALL of them!
One zealot comes down to help, but K is in HUGE trouble now.
Its over No chance for a comeback.
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Wow, another probe dies. Spire coming. Mutas will finish these easily. One of the lings actually has 4 kills on him. 2nd zealot out to help against the lings, two STILL alive.
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I assume Doctor.K will finally GG when the Mutas come out to play.
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Meh, I think the lings got enough probes there...
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Kwanro morphing mutas now. Just THEN the cycore starts for Doctork.
Sends down some zealots in a desperate effort and adding cannons to his main.
Mutas on the way.
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Mutas arrive even before first cannon finishes. Cancel it. 2nd is down too.
gg
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That was pretty pathetic by Doctor.K.
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there we go
kwanro16 exists again.
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Bye Doc K, we hardly knew you.
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Heh. Kwanro doesn't even bother to micro the Mutas.
MSL Ro16 compostion: 7 Terran, 5 Zerg, 4 Protoss.
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Yes Kwangro made it!
poor Doc
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Well, at least Kwanro lives up to his reputation.
He actually has a chance next round, going against a slumping Stork who sucks at PvZ.
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On February 07 2009 20:41 Itachii wrote:
4/4, yeah baby.
Same here. My first 4/4 in quite a while.
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On February 07 2009 20:42 baubo wrote:
Well, at least Kwanro lives up to his reputation.
He actually has a chance next round, going against a slumping Stork who sucks at PvZ.
imo kwanro sucks more at zvp than stork in pvz
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On February 07 2009 20:42 baubo wrote:
Well, at least Kwanro lives up to his reputation.
He actually has a chance next round, going against a slumping Stork who sucks at PvZ.
Kwanro will be absolutely crushed by Stork. No matter how he may or may not be slumping. Stork is a much much better player than kwanro even on a offday.
And stork is good at pvz. Just not compared to his pvp or pvt.
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dont count kwanro out. he has lots of potential still and has always been a great control/attack oriented zerg. he's got some great mechanics and game sense. ive been rooting for him for a couple season and i really hope this is the one he breaks out completely in
plus stork is being a slumping lil bitch as always after his (finally) osl win~
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wow I looked through Stork's PvZ
goddamn, he was chojja's bitch lol
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On February 07 2009 20:49 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2009 20:42 baubo wrote:
Well, at least Kwanro lives up to his reputation.
He actually has a chance next round, going against a slumping Stork who sucks at PvZ. Kwanro will be absolutely crushed by Stork. No matter how he may or may not be slumping. Stork is a much much better player than kwanro even on a offday. And stork is good at pvz.
Well, I should've quantified that by saying that he actually got the better draw in Stork than ForGG had he won against Free.
Actually, Stork is vulnerable in PvZ early game. Most games I've seen him lost PvZ were in th early to mid game. And this happens pretty often.
Stork is a much better player, but his PvZs look bad. He usually wins because he just has godly micro/macro compared to his opponents.
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On February 07 2009 20:51 NahLGaE wrote:
dont count kwanro out. he has lots of potential still and has always been a great control/attack oriented zerg. he's got some great mechanics and game sense. ive been rooting for him for a couple season and i really hope this is the one he breaks out completely in
plus stork is being a slumping lil bitch as always after his (finally) osl win~
Ya stork sucks because he won an OSL and Kwanro obvious has lots of potential because he got raped in the RO16 so bad the one and only time(before this) he ever made it into a starleague. Doesn't really make sense.
Kwanro doesn't have great game sense at all. His game versus free is a perfect example of this. He had an advantage, then just flat out played it wrong and got stomped.
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On February 07 2009 20:52 baubo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2009 20:49 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:On February 07 2009 20:42 baubo wrote:
Well, at least Kwanro lives up to his reputation.
He actually has a chance next round, going against a slumping Stork who sucks at PvZ. Kwanro will be absolutely crushed by Stork. No matter how he may or may not be slumping. Stork is a much much better player than kwanro even on a offday. And stork is good at pvz. Well, I should've quantified that by saying that he actually got the better draw in Stork than ForGG had he won against Free. Actually, Stork is vulnerable in PvZ early game. Most games I've seen him lost PvZ were in th early to mid game. And this happens pretty often. Stork is a much better player, but his PvZs look bad. He usually wins because he just has godly micro/macro compared to his opponents.
Ya I'll agree with that stork is vunerable early game but I'm sure we won't see him pull a DoctorK and fail to block lings. So its just a matter of him getting his cannons early enough against mutas. He fails at that too often for a pro his level He sometimes gets cannons too late vs hydra as well.
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kwarnro's style is like, the perfect zvp style to rape stork's.
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On February 08 2009 14:50 Dazed_Spy wrote:
kwarnro's style is like, the perfect zvp style to rape stork's.
yeah; has a lot to do with aggressive early-mid game play.
lets see if stork smartens up.
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On February 07 2009 20:49 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2009 20:42 baubo wrote:
Well, at least Kwanro lives up to his reputation.
He actually has a chance next round, going against a slumping Stork who sucks at PvZ. Kwanro will be absolutely crushed by Stork. No matter how he may or may not be slumping. Stork is a much much better player than kwanro even on a offday. And stork is good at pvz. Just not compared to his pvp or pvt.
ew GOD no
Stork is kinda on "break" mode since his OSL win
Kwanro has the perfect vP vs Stork
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wow 0/4
Also went 0/4 in the previous group F, and 1/4 in OSL round 1-2
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On February 07 2009 20:54 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2009 20:51 NahLGaE wrote:
dont count kwanro out. he has lots of potential still and has always been a great control/attack oriented zerg. he's got some great mechanics and game sense. ive been rooting for him for a couple season and i really hope this is the one he breaks out completely in
plus stork is being a slumping lil bitch as always after his (finally) osl win~ Ya stork sucks because he won an OSL and Kwanro obvious has lots of potential because he got raped in the RO16 so bad the one and only time(before this) he ever made it into a starleague. Doesn't really make sense. Kwanro doesn't have great game sense at all. His game versus free is a perfect example of this. He had an advantage, then just flat out played it wrong and got stomped.
So the time he got into ro8 doesn't matter? I think you should check your facts better, since he's been to ro16 twice and ro8 once (both times he met a PvZ monster - Kal/Bisu - back when no zerg had really beaten bisu). And also, kwanro said recently that in practice games, his ZvP is just as good as jaedong's. I saw no big problems with his game vs free, it's just that free is unbelieavably good at PvZ, and stork is nowhere near that level, and never has been.
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LOL@the crazies thinking Stork will be challenged by Kwanro.
Kwanro is so weak...
If you doped out July on opiates and morphine then hammered his fingers, you have super saiyan Kwanro.
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LOL KWANRO BEATING STORK
Dumbest thing I've heard all day.
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On February 09 2009 02:56 SuperJongMan wrote:
LOL@the crazies thinking Stork will be challenged by Kwanro.
Kwanro is so weak...
If you doped out July on opiates and morphine then hammered his fingers, you have super saiyan Kwanro.
rofl
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