On February 07 2009 06:07 Shikyo wrote: Oh, uh... do WL results count towards PL results or is it completely seperate? Since I think it has its own finals and such...
All regular season WL results count towards the total PL results.
I wouldnt be surprised if Iris beat everyone, hes only really likely to lose to a zerg in late game, or maybe like tester on medusa, but obviously thats a moot point because if he did all kill the match would be over before medusa is played.
1337th post, I was saving this for the "essay" of a blog I have been working on but it has now been pushed back to 1500 as I'm way further behind than I thought I would be, I will probably need roughly another month or 3 to finish it off :/
On February 07 2009 11:20 Shikyo wrote: Just out of curiosity, is CJ the only team with positive records for the players of every single race? What a deep lineup CJ has.
A few weeks ago the only two teams that fit those qualifications were CJ and MBC. Now that MBC has started playing horribly during Winners League, CJ may very well be the only team left.
On February 07 2009 11:54 xxsaznpride wrote: 4-1 Savior allkill for the sake of my FPL.
Why doesn't the OP have him as a single predicted match?
Because despite being a CJ fan I'm not one of the mindless hoards of sAviOr fanatics. CJ still has four players that are better than MJY on any given day.
I don't dislike him, but thinking practically I don't think he's the best option on those maps. Stick Tau, Andromeda, or Medusa farther up in the map order and then he would become a better option.
Oh man.. This starts in 40 minutes, it's currently 3am and I'm absurdly tired from playing in the snow all day. Decisions.. fuck it, will wait for the vods.
On February 07 2009 11:54 xxsaznpride wrote: 4-1 Savior allkill for the sake of my FPL.
Why doesn't the OP have him as a single predicted match?
Because despite being a CJ fan I'm not one of the mindless hoards of sAviOr fanatics. CJ still has four players that are better than MJY on any given day.
I don't dislike him, but thinking practically I don't think he's the best option on those maps. Stick Tau, Andromeda, or Medusa farther up in the map order and then he would become a better option.
I'm not a Savior fan but other than Effort and MAYBE Skyhigh, there is no one else on CJ better than him. Sure the first maps are fairly terran favored in TvZ, but none of them are ridiculously bad.
On February 07 2009 11:54 xxsaznpride wrote: 4-1 Savior allkill for the sake of my FPL.
Why doesn't the OP have him as a single predicted match?
Because despite being a CJ fan I'm not one of the mindless hoards of sAviOr fanatics. CJ still has four players that are better than MJY on any given day.
I don't dislike him, but thinking practically I don't think he's the best option on those maps. Stick Tau, Andromeda, or Medusa farther up in the map order and then he would become a better option.
Aah, as soon as he stops choking in televised games, he'll be easily the best player on CJ.
On February 07 2009 11:54 xxsaznpride wrote: 4-1 Savior allkill for the sake of my FPL.
Why doesn't the OP have him as a single predicted match?
Because despite being a CJ fan I'm not one of the mindless hoards of sAviOr fanatics. CJ still has four players that are better than MJY on any given day.
I don't dislike him, but thinking practically I don't think he's the best option on those maps. Stick Tau, Andromeda, or Medusa farther up in the map order and then he would become a better option.
I'm not a Savior fan but other than Effort and MAYBE Skyhigh, there is no one else on CJ better than him. Sure the first maps are fairly terran favored in TvZ, but none of them are ridiculously bad.
Despite beating Leta in a ZvT that didn't even last 10 minutes, sAviOr's ZvT is still weak and unproven. His win against Bisu was slightly more impressive, but doesn't do a whole lot to prove to me that sAviOr is in shape ZvP either. His previous few ZvP's against Young and BeSt were nothing short of depressing. His one solid MU is ZvZ.
On the other hand Iris, sKyHigh, and Movie have done more in the last 3 months to prove to me that they're in decent shape and can handle late game play in all three matchups. EffOrt just goes without saying.
god tvt is boring. Hopefully sunny beats 3 of cj's players, then Savior comes out, rapes him and the entire estro team. Reverse all kill, Savior style!
On February 07 2009 13:19 Dazed_Spy wrote: god tvt is boring. Hopefully sunny beats 3 of cj's players, then Savior comes out, rapes him and the entire estro team. Reverse all kill, Savior style!
tvt is awesome and I'd be watching if a stream worked. I miss gom's streams. Instead I'm just sitting here hoping that someone will post "suny ggs" sometime soon. Gooo iris!
daum sports has worked for me ONCE in the past, and it has nothing to do with my connection. It loads then buffers off and on then it finally plays perfect audio with a slideshow.
On February 07 2009 13:24 wtflah wrote: daum sports has worked for me ONCE in the past, and it has nothing to do with my connection. It loads then buffers off and on then it finally plays perfect audio with a slideshow.
That use to always happen to me with windows media player. Your right, not connection, just an annoying thing to do with the player not working well with your comp. I guess you should try buddying up with people on IRC so they give you the VLC stream in the future. Sometimes they get cranky.
On February 07 2009 13:24 wtflah wrote: daum sports has worked for me ONCE in the past, and it has nothing to do with my connection. It loads then buffers off and on then it finally plays perfect audio with a slideshow.
You have to keep reloading it. You can get a good feed if you do it during the beginning of a match or during the commercials. Works with me fine this way, but only if I have a fast connection.
Anyways, it seems fairly even, but looks like Suny has a bit better positioning and maybe some more units.
my stream is like 50 seconds ahead of all of you. Iris has a massive army, sunny has like 3-4 tanks and goliaths, mined out of all of his expansions except for 6 a clock. 1 base vs like 3-4 mining for iris.
I hate it when TvT gets to the point where one side gains an insurmoutable advantage but just can't push in, drawing the game out a lot longer than it should.
On February 07 2009 13:42 baubo wrote: TvT is like fighting with steel armor and a wooden stick. My god you have to pound the other guy forever before you can win.
On February 07 2009 13:55 Matoo- wrote: Haha, all these TvT are so 2007, with Geometry and stuff. Good ol' memories... well maybe not so good.
Geometry was a pandemic that plagued pro starcraft the sheer mention of that map sends shivers down my spine. 47 TvTs in one proleague season on that map AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.
Yeah, I can't get a stream working properly myself and will be updating the OP purely off what information I gather in here. So please LR if you have a stream.
On February 07 2009 14:16 Zubins wrote: WTF what game was that? with the zerglings burrowing to get past the mineral patch on Destination? (When they were showing the commentators)
On February 07 2009 14:16 Zubins wrote: WTF what game was that? with the zerglings burrowing to get past the mineral patch on Destination? (When they were showing the commentators)
On February 07 2009 14:16 Zubins wrote: WTF what game was that? with the zerglings burrowing to get past the mineral patch on Destination? (When they were showing the commentators)
So much for the 4-1 so many people were predicting LOL.
Don't really know why they didn't wait until the next set to pull out Movie, considering that he is probably playing better than Much, and Medusa is more P>T than is Destination....
On February 07 2009 14:36 Dazed_Spy wrote: "really is so overhyped" my ass
He is though. People keep saying that he has the potential to win starleagues. Right now he is in neither, and that fact that he won doesn't really say that much. Look at what is happening in the other Proleague match on right now.
essentially, movie dropped 2 shuttles (reaver/zealots x2/dragoon) and wasted them.
He tried to drop the reaver inbetween 3 tanks, but the reaver was dropped outside (AI) instead of inbtween the tanks (and machineshop), thus losing the reaver and the rest of that army and he killed like 1 SCV >.>
On February 07 2009 14:36 Dazed_Spy wrote: "really is so overhyped" my ass
He is though. People keep saying that he has the potential to win starleagues. Right now he is in neither, and that fact that he won doesn't really say that much. Look at what is happening in the other Proleague match on right now.
I've never heard that hype. If that is his hype, than yeah, hes overhyped. All I've heard about really is that hes extremely strong mechanically, and is an all round solid, promising terran. And he is, obviously. Get him some more consistency, and I have no doubt he will do very well. Win leagues at the moment- no way. Win leagues in the future, maybe? I don't know.
Edit: anyways. hopefully savior LITERALLY kills really after beating him. That will make anyone who doubts his comeback stfu.
On February 07 2009 14:36 Dazed_Spy wrote: "really is so overhyped" my ass
He is though. People keep saying that he has the potential to win starleagues. Right now he is in neither, and that fact that he won doesn't really say that much. Look at what is happening in the other Proleague match on right now.
I've never heard that hype. If that is his hype, than yeah, hes overhyped. All I've heard about really is that hes extremely strong mechanically, and is an all round solid, promising terran. And he is, obviously. Get him some more consistency, and I have no doubt he will do very well. Win leagues at the moment- no way. Win leagues in the future, maybe? I don't know.
Edit: anyways. hopefully savior LITERALLY kills really after beating him. That will make anyone who doubts his comeback stfu.
I haven't heard that kind of hype for Really even from the most devout ESTRO fans.
I guess you can say he's hyped because ESTRO kept sending him out for ace matches. But that has more to do with the team's lack of top player than Really's skills.
Really pushes out with a group of mmf. Savior's defense is fine. Savior continuously trying ling runbys. Getting into Really's base twice to scout. But not doing any damage.
Mutas harrassing. And Savior's expanding in the meantime.
[07:07:24] <CJ_Nyo> 21 KILL ULTRA [07:07:24] <miseiler> I left when he had obviously lost the game [07:07:25] <CJ_Nyo> LOOOOL [07:07:25] <Cj|Curious> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHHA [07:07:25] <CJ_Wow> THIS IS 2009 [07:07:26] <GuyGardner> I don't even know how he won that battle [07:07:26] <Klone> wtf rofl how [07:07:26] <oBlade> WE AREN'T GOOD ENOUGH TO WATCH THIS GAME [07:07:26] <Qzia> what the hell happened to all his marines [07:07:26] <HiddenJoker> lol someone tell me [07:07:27] <CJ_Nyo> 21 KILL ULTRA [07:07:27] <Qzia> lol [07:07:28] <grnp> SERIOUSLY [07:07:29] <CJ_Nyo> 23 KILL ULTRA [07:07:29] <CJ_Wow> THIS IS 2009 SON [07:07:29] <Zizoo> so [07:07:29] <miseiler> OBVIOUSLY LOST [07:07:30] <grnp> WHAT [07:07:30] <Monokeros> seriously [07:07:31] <CJ_Wow> HAPPY NEW YEAR [07:07:32] <CJ_Nyo> THIS IS [07:07:32] <Cj|Curious> HE CANT LOSE BY DEFAUKT [07:07:32] <CJ_Nyo> 2009 [07:07:33] <Cj|Curious> HAHAHAHAHA [07:07:34] <Cj|Curious> HAHAHAHAHAHA [07:07:35] <CJ_Clowe> aaaahahahahaha [07:07:36] <Monokeros> whatever s going on [07:07:36] <CJ_Nyo> DESSTROOYYEDD [07:07:36] <A|lokiM-> 2009 [07:07:37] <HiddenJoker> LOL [07:07:37] <CJ_Nyo> HAHAH [07:07:37] <A|lokiM-> 2009 [07:07:38] <Monokeros> WOW [07:07:38] <xg7b3> 9oclock busted [07:07:38] <Zizoo> how far into the game did savior start trying ? [07:07:39] <CJ_Wow> OMG [07:07:39] <CJ_Nyo> WTF [07:07:39] <Monokeros> WHATEVER IS GOING ON [07:07:39] <Zizoo> its like [07:07:40] <Corr> MJY~!
Why do Zerg players still try Guardians in ZvT? Is it just me, or has it never really worked in recent games? Or perhaps it's because it's Rush Hour and something different needs to be attempted? Then again, why they would send out a Zerg on this map is a question.
ok seriously he was getting RAPED that game and suddenly he brings out like a million units and just destroys really everywhere on the map at the same time
On February 07 2009 15:08 Sindri wrote: Why do Zerg players still try Guardians in ZvT? Is it just me, or has it never really worked in recent games? Or perhaps it's because it's Rush Hour and something different needs to be attempted? Then again, why they would send out a Zerg on this map is a question.
On February 07 2009 15:08 Sindri wrote: Why do Zerg players still try Guardians in ZvT? Is it just me, or has it never really worked in recent games? Or perhaps it's because it's Rush Hour and something different needs to be attempted? Then again, why they would send out a Zerg on this map is a question.
i didnt see the beginning of this game but in general 2 hatch muta->guardian is quite strong on alot of maps not so much on rush hour though
On February 07 2009 15:08 Sindri wrote: Why do Zerg players still try Guardians in ZvT? Is it just me, or has it never really worked in recent games? Or perhaps it's because it's Rush Hour and something different needs to be attempted? Then again, why they would send out a Zerg on this map is a question.
July is probably the only one who got it to work
but even he had serious problems with it
if you have mutas ready the guardians cost virtually nothing and have a chance of inflicting some damage, so its not that bad of an idea.
On February 07 2009 15:08 Sindri wrote: Why do Zerg players still try Guardians in ZvT? Is it just me, or has it never really worked in recent games? Or perhaps it's because it's Rush Hour and something different needs to be attempted? Then again, why they would send out a Zerg on this map is a question.
i didnt see the beginning of this game but in general 2 hatch muta->guardian is quite strong on alot of maps not so much on rush hour though
He did a 3 hatch muta> gaurdian
Hey idra, as a pro gamer, Saviors recent games...have they been genuinely impressive or are we hoping for too much?
On February 07 2009 15:09 Matoo- wrote: IN LIKE 30 SECONDS HE WENT FROM "IM OUTMACROED AND COMPLETELY FUCKED" TO LIKE "WHERE IS YOUR ARMY AND WHERE ARE YOUR BASES NOW MORON?"
On February 07 2009 15:08 Sindri wrote: Why do Zerg players still try Guardians in ZvT? Is it just me, or has it never really worked in recent games? Or perhaps it's because it's Rush Hour and something different needs to be attempted? Then again, why they would send out a Zerg on this map is a question.
guards work... it just depends on the situation, if u have a decent amout of muta left over from ur muta harass (or 2 hatch muta) u can go guard so finishs, b/c they take good hits and deal good, also good if unknown, if known they suck
i cant believe savior won that either. i was like "theres no way savior can win this" and the terran suddenly goes "gg" i was like WTF. was there rly no nrg in all those vessels?
Really's ball was concentrated at Savior's 4th at 1 trying to kill it. Ruthless ling production and an ultra finally crush the ball despite many dmatrixes. In the mean time a group of savior's ultraling force head's to really's relatively undefended nat and crush it and run up into really's rax. Really only had 5 rax for some reason, i dunno why, and irradiating ultralisks next to your barracks is not a good idea... lol. Anyways savior sent a small group there and sent another group to really's only mining base, breaking the defenses and shredding the scvs. Without having any income or being able to produce any units without them getting killed by ultras (lol 23 kill ultra) there was no choice but to gg.
On February 07 2009 15:08 Sindri wrote: Why do Zerg players still try Guardians in ZvT? Is it just me, or has it never really worked in recent games? Or perhaps it's because it's Rush Hour and something different needs to be attempted? Then again, why they would send out a Zerg on this map is a question.
guards work... it just depends on the situation, if u have a decent amout of muta left over from ur muta harass (or 2 hatch muta) u can go guard so finishs, b/c they take good hits and deal good, also good if unknown, if known they suck
On February 07 2009 15:08 Sindri wrote: Why do Zerg players still try Guardians in ZvT? Is it just me, or has it never really worked in recent games? Or perhaps it's because it's Rush Hour and something different needs to be attempted? Then again, why they would send out a Zerg on this map is a question.
The guardians do worked for savior, killing that m&m force heading to his natural, and they could have done more damage if his macro wasnt that sloopy, he could of made more scourges or something, but well, he somehow managed to win lol.
Savior really is back. His confidence is back where it needs to be. Just look at his expression when everyone here thought he was fucked. It was stone cold. Cause he knew he was going to win.
I totally expected upmagic on medusa since of its strong mech play. Then again, estro is probably going to try to "hide" upmagic'z tvz since hes playing savior fairly soon.
On February 07 2009 15:13 ahole-surprise wrote: Savior really is back. His confidence is back where it needs to be. Just look at his expression when everyone here thought he was fucked. It was stone cold. Cause he knew he was going to win.
On February 07 2009 15:32 LazySCV wrote: Savior attacking SangHo's temples with 'dras now, sairs and reavers going around map trying to find a place to attack. Savior spots force w/ ovie!
What was amazing was that he first lured the corsairs into attacking overlords full of hydras, and as the sairs nears he unloads all the hydras and thus killed sangho's entire air fleet
sAviOr v.2009 is finally now online. He's been working at this for over a year now. It's like he took a Bonjwa diet, and suddenly decided to start raping again. Looks like he got bored of the whole, "I'm in a slump" thing.
On February 07 2009 15:43 falls wrote: It's kinda funny how this thread was sorta dead until Savior was called up to play. Now its onto its 31st page and going...
haha I checked this thread before going to bed and noticed that savior was up against really
On February 07 2009 15:43 falls wrote: It's kinda funny how this thread was sorta dead until Savior was called up to play. Now its onto its 31st page and going...
On February 07 2009 14:38 ZoW wrote: And now, this thread shall bloom with vivid life
lol estro is going out of their not to play upmagic. It makes sense, except that their going to lose the entire set because Savior's zvz is probably the 3rd, if not the 2nd, best in the world right now.
On February 07 2009 15:43 falls wrote: It's kinda funny how this thread was sorta dead until Savior was called up to play. Now its onto its 31st page and going...
haha I checked this thread before going to bed and noticed that savior was up against really
totally worth staying up for till 8 am lol
wow 8 am for u???? jeez it only 12:47 am here o0... and i thought i was rebel :D
On February 07 2009 15:46 falls wrote: Savior's zvz is not 2nd or 3rd best in the world....
It's good, but not that good.
However, I'm sure he can beat Hyvaa at least.
Who's better? Jaedong. Luxury...maybe? No one else. Savior's elo even reflects that lol. Savior is going to break his biggest win streak if he beats hyvaa btw.
On February 07 2009 15:43 falls wrote: It's kinda funny how this thread was sorta dead until Savior was called up to play. Now its onto its 31st page and going...
haha I checked this thread before going to bed and noticed that savior was up against really
totally worth staying up for till 8 am lol
wow 8 am for u???? jeez it only 12:47 am here o0... and i thought i was rebel :D
how is 12:47am a rebel unless you're still in middle school or something...
On February 07 2009 15:43 falls wrote: It's kinda funny how this thread was sorta dead until Savior was called up to play. Now its onto its 31st page and going...
haha I checked this thread before going to bed and noticed that savior was up against really
totally worth staying up for till 8 am lol
wow 8 am for u???? jeez it only 12:47 am here o0... and i thought i was rebel :D
how is 12:47am a rebel unless you're still in middle school or something...
On February 07 2009 15:43 falls wrote: It's kinda funny how this thread was sorta dead until Savior was called up to play. Now its onto its 31st page and going...
haha I checked this thread before going to bed and noticed that savior was up against really
totally worth staying up for till 8 am lol
wow 8 am for u???? jeez it only 12:47 am here o0... and i thought i was rebel :D
how is 12:47am a rebel unless you're still in middle school or something...
On February 07 2009 15:43 falls wrote: It's kinda funny how this thread was sorta dead until Savior was called up to play. Now its onto its 31st page and going...
haha I checked this thread before going to bed and noticed that savior was up against really
totally worth staying up for till 8 am lol
wow 8 am for u???? jeez it only 12:47 am here o0... and i thought i was rebel :D
sAviOr's ZvZ is underrated. I wouldn't be surprised if someone told me that sAviOr was thought to be one of the top ZvZ players in the world. Recently he walked over ZerO and YellOw[ArnC] like they were nothing.
On February 07 2009 15:43 falls wrote: It's kinda funny how this thread was sorta dead until Savior was called up to play. Now its onto its 31st page and going...
haha I checked this thread before going to bed and noticed that savior was up against really
totally worth staying up for till 8 am lol
wow 8 am for u???? jeez it only 12:47 am here o0... and i thought i was rebel :D
how is 12:47am a rebel unless you're still in middle school or something...
... jk... take a joke?
and i dont know much about hyvaa, is he much better than magma or what?
On February 07 2009 15:43 falls wrote: It's kinda funny how this thread was sorta dead until Savior was called up to play. Now its onto its 31st page and going...
haha I checked this thread before going to bed and noticed that savior was up against really
totally worth staying up for till 8 am lol
wow 8 am for u???? jeez it only 12:47 am here o0... and i thought i was rebel :D
how is 12:47am a rebel unless you're still in middle school or something...
On February 07 2009 15:48 iLoveKTF wrote: estro shoulve sent upmagic
Yeah I was kinda hoping for Upmagic as well, would've been a fun MSL preview and he definately stands a better chance than Hyvaa. And Upmagic is awesome enough for me not to care if savior loses.
On February 07 2009 15:43 falls wrote: It's kinda funny how this thread was sorta dead until Savior was called up to play. Now its onto its 31st page and going...
haha I checked this thread before going to bed and noticed that savior was up against really
totally worth staying up for till 8 am lol
wow 8 am for u???? jeez it only 12:47 am here o0... and i thought i was rebel :D
how is 12:47am a rebel unless you're still in middle school or something...
eStro clearly wants to avoid sending upmagic because savior and him will meet up soon in the MSL. This way they get maximum information about savior but savior will have to go on not as recent matches for upmagic.
Hyvaa is easily good enough to take a game off most players, he's just not really ever going to be the favorite. And he wouldn't beat anyone in a series. But that doesn't matter here!
On February 07 2009 15:48 KizZBG wrote: Damn eStro I hope you know what you're doing lol!
Last time they played on Andromeda was when they sent Action against Bisu, wasn't it? I'm sure they know what they're doing, but it might not win them the game!
On February 07 2009 15:51 RifleCow wrote: eStro clearly wants to avoid sending upmagic because savior and him will meet up soon in the MSL. This way they get maximum information about savior but savior will have to go on not as recent matches for upmagic.
This has probably been said like 10 times, but I bet you people will still be like "Why the heck aren't they sending upmagic!?!?".
On February 07 2009 15:43 falls wrote: It's kinda funny how this thread was sorta dead until Savior was called up to play. Now its onto its 31st page and going...
haha I checked this thread before going to bed and noticed that savior was up against really
totally worth staying up for till 8 am lol
wow 8 am for u???? jeez it only 12:47 am here o0... and i thought i was rebel :D
how is 12:47am a rebel unless you're still in middle school or something...
and who goes to school saturday anyways.
The entire korean population under 18?
they do? Thats efficient. I hope for the sake of the children that the schooldays in saturday are easier than normally
On February 07 2009 15:43 falls wrote: It's kinda funny how this thread was sorta dead until Savior was called up to play. Now its onto its 31st page and going...
haha I checked this thread before going to bed and noticed that savior was up against really
totally worth staying up for till 8 am lol
wow 8 am for u???? jeez it only 12:47 am here o0... and i thought i was rebel :D
how is 12:47am a rebel unless you're still in middle school or something...
and who goes to school saturday anyways.
The entire korean population under 18?
they do? Thats efficient. I hope for the sake of the children that the schooldays in saturday are easier than normally
yeah they changed it from a full day to a half-day.
On February 07 2009 15:43 falls wrote: It's kinda funny how this thread was sorta dead until Savior was called up to play. Now its onto its 31st page and going...
haha I checked this thread before going to bed and noticed that savior was up against really
totally worth staying up for till 8 am lol
wow 8 am for u???? jeez it only 12:47 am here o0... and i thought i was rebel :D
how is 12:47am a rebel unless you're still in middle school or something...
and who goes to school saturday anyways.
The entire korean population under 18?
Wonder why teacher aren't complaining about this. 6 days of work, unless there is some other arrangements done.
On February 07 2009 15:55 defenestrate wrote: If Savior loses, Chupung is T-favored and Skyhigh should be able to take it.
Yeah. I don't see eSTRO winning this. hyvaa can snipe sAviOr, and even if he does, which I don't think is going to happen, hyvaa is sure to lose the next match.
Thank you Savior. Reading LRs of his game makes up for the searing pain I felt when Jaedong got dropped from the MSL. Savior seems promising! I know I know, he's not really "back" until he consistently wins against good players, in say a bo3/bo5 and not until he makes it into a Ro4 of a starleague but FUCK is this exciting to seem him fresh like this again (I mean even though he still is playing a bit sloppily).
Woah I didn't even know these games started let alone ended. So with these 3 kills Savior has 8 wins in a row ever since beating Bisu? Wow..........2009 fa real dawg?
Savior is so sexy. Glad I added him to my fantasy team, it's funny because ALL of my prototypes had him I simply couldn't get rid of him and I am certainly glad of it =).
Still unsure of savior's play as of now, hopefully he wins against Upmagic in the MSL. Though I wont consider him to be back unless he wins that league.
On February 07 2009 16:16 RifleCow wrote: Still unsure of savior's play as of now, hopefully he wins against Upmagic in the MSL. Though I wont consider him to be back unless he wins that league.
Look at the people he's beat so far. FAIL. He is back.
On February 07 2009 16:16 RifleCow wrote: Still unsure of savior's play as of now, hopefully he wins against Upmagic in the MSL. Though I wont consider him to be back unless he wins that league.
Yeah, like the guy before me said. Personally I didn't think MJY was back at all before this set. His game against Really in particular was impressive. He was being stretched to the limits of his multitasking at some points, and he still hung in there, never lost his cool, and eventually pulled through. IMO way more impressive than the 10 minute game vs. Leta and even more impressive than his win vs. Bisu.
I believe he has the skill and everything to be back. Whether he wins MSL or not. He shows that he still got it. He can still bring it.
He does not lose to newbies anymore. And newbies right now are hard to beat because the level is higher.
UpMagic is a tough nut to crack. Creativity thrives the more time it has. And UpMagic is preparing like crazy for it also. I think it will be a great match:
UpMagic's "Death Note Magic Tricks builds" vs Saviors "Symphony of Eaten Babies builds"
On February 07 2009 16:16 RifleCow wrote: Still unsure of savior's play as of now, hopefully he wins against Upmagic in the MSL. Though I wont consider him to be back unless he wins that league.
Look at the people he's beat so far. FAIL. He is back.
Besides Bisu, I don't think any of them have been really noteworthy. The game against Leta was not really standard. However, what really worries me as of now is the sloppiness he showed in the game against Really. Moreover, imo, someone like Jaedong would of destroyed Really in a better fashion than Savior did. I guess, I wont consider Savior back unless he has that unbeatable vibe surrounding him like before.
What impressed me the most in his last games aren't his impeccable micro/macro/multitasking, which are actually far from impeccable.
It's his incredible gamesense he had from the start and lost after Bisu and FBH raped him. Now it's back, it's making him win again, and in a fucking more impressive and frightening fashion than a bland mechanic domination ever could.
Maestro fighting - because that's what he his, how he plays, and how he wins.
On February 07 2009 16:16 RifleCow wrote: Still unsure of savior's play as of now, hopefully he wins against Upmagic in the MSL. Though I wont consider him to be back unless he wins that league.
Look at the people he's beat so far. FAIL. He is back.
Besides Bisu, I don't think any of them have been really noteworthy. The game against Leta was not really standard. However, what really worries me as of now is the sloppiness he showed in the game against Really. Moreover, imo, someone like Jaedong would of destroyed Really in a better fashion than Savior did. I guess, I wont consider Savior back unless he has that unbeatable vibe surrounding him like before.
If you're saying non-standard games don't count, then I think that makes UpMagiC the worst Starcraft player in history.
None of them noteworthy besides Bisu? Every single one of the players he's beaten (except to a certain degree type-b) is a regular in proleague. You're being ridiculous if you can't admit an 8 game win streak means he's coming out of his slump.
Imho Really is a great opponent. He has awesome basics as his head coach pointed it out. Really can break out - i do not know if he will but he has the capacity.
Beating Really is no shallow accomplishment.
Savior just makes it look easy that is why it is not as appreciated. But true masters really do get in big trouble at all.
If you're saying non-standard games don't count, then I think that makes UpMagiC the worst Starcraft player in history.
None of them noteworthy besides Bisu? Every single one of the players he's beaten (except to a certain degree type-b) is a regular in proleague. You're being ridiculous if you can't admit an 8 game win streak means he's coming out of his slump.
Coming out of slump is different than back to old status.
On February 07 2009 16:28 JIJIyO wrote: Yes! Savior's above 60% win rate again!!! MJY forever!
amazingly, oov is still decently above 60%.
Savior has actually been playing games.
which makes oov even more amazing
I can't tell if you're trolling or just not getting the idea. If he isn't playing games, then his winrate stays the same. If I won 99% of my games in 1999 and I stopped playing, I'd have a 99% winrate in 2009.
and no liquibet for this one either? Who is resposible for liquibet, i know we got it for free, and we shouldnt complain but so many PL games are missing, that it hurts. Or i just missed them somehow?
Before looking at results i told myself that I won't watch these games, unless Savior will play in at least one of them. And now... buffering 1st match !
The worst thing is that now Upmagic will be practicing much much harder to verse Savior than before he had recently beat him twice I suspect that Upmagic was focusing more on OSL and assuming an easy victory over savior.
On February 07 2009 21:17 Choros wrote: The worst thing is that now Upmagic will be practicing much much harder to verse Savior than before he had recently beat him twice I suspect that Upmagic was focusing more on OSL and assuming an easy victory over savior.
On February 07 2009 16:16 RifleCow wrote: Still unsure of savior's play as of now, hopefully he wins against Upmagic in the MSL. Though I wont consider him to be back unless he wins that league.
Look at the people he's beat so far. FAIL. He is back.
The game against Leta was not really standard.
8rax -> mech is quite standard. Ma Jae Yoon predicted it by scouting the middle, that's more points to him. He responded with a pretty standard 3hatch muta/hydra. I really don't get what wasn't so standard in the game except for the fact that he fooled Leta to get too many Goliaths. Or are you saying that mech, which lately has been more popular than mnm, doesn't count as standard TvZ?
PLZ understand mistakes, I'm not good at English :p It will be happy if you correct my mistakes!
▼ Translation
Q: What's your impressions about CJ entus' 4 wins from W/L? A: There were so many records like 3-kill from 1st week of W/L, and my each team players have confidence and ability to win. Our ambience is very good now, so it will be good if we can continue this ambience.
Q: You got 3-kill in series. A: I'm just happy. I don't have particular words but I'm happy. But I can't relief yet even I got 6 wins from 3 sreial kill. It's still far to make up for losses during meanwhile, and It's not begin yet.
Q: You showed better game management for all 3 races. A: Like I said before, I'm good when I play with ease. We losing by 1:2 today, but I played game with ease thiking 'It's ok even I lost this game'. I was feeling like just doing practice game that time. Sometimes thought that 'I have to win this time' become burdensome.
Q: Don't you have critical moment during game with Really? A: It was neck-and-neck race at last but there was no critical moment. Ultralisk rushed in and defend enemy forces in center, and I could win at a moment by attacking 7 o'clock. I judged the situataion that I can win if I can do damage to him with well-upgraded zerglings. Today I upgraded adrenalin upgrade straightly. (smile) (translator - He lost some games cuz he forgot upgrading zergling's adrenalin glanz upgrade, and It rated his frequent mistake [seriously])
Q: You did drop-play repeatedly during game with SangHo. A: I made too many zerglings cuz I predictied that I can do big damage to him in early game, but situation went easy and favorable so I tried to end game with mass drop but it was not so easy. I think it screwed easy game cuz I choosed drop-play. But I could win by damage on his backyard.
Q: You ended game with a single attack during game with hyvaa. A: I choosed my most confiden build. and my play was one step ahead from opponent's. I thought that it can be good situation if I can do damage with Mutalisk, but It's over with a single attack. Q: Did you want the showdown with UpMagiC? A: I was good, but It looks like they considered remaining maps. But, with this ambience, I have confident in myself for the match in MSL.
Q: Your team continueing pattern that 1-kill by 1st player and 3-kill by 2nd player. A: It looks like I'm strong at W/L's winner battle method. After get a win from one player, my hands are warmed enough and ambience is good, so I can easily continue winning with vigor.
Q: next match up is vs. Wemade. A: If Kwanro win 1st game, It looks like we can get win with 100% probability. Even If he lost, next player will win. My team have very good ambience now, so we have the upper hand.
- 위너스 리그 4전 전승을 기록한 소감은 ▲ 위너스 리그 첫 주차부터 3킬 이상의 기록이 많이 나왔고 우리 팀 선수들 모두 누가 출전해도 이길 수 있다는 자신감과 경기력을 갖고 있다. 지금 우리 팀의 페이스 굉장히 좋기 때문에 현재의 분위기만 이어가면 될 것 같다.
- 두 경기 연속 3킬을 기록했는데 ▲ 그냥 기쁘다. 기쁘다는 말 외에 특별히 할말은 없다. 두 번 출전해서 연속 3킬로 6연승 했다고 해도 방심할 수 없다. 그 동안의 부진을 만회하려면 아직 멀었고, 시작도 하지 않았다.
- 세 종족을 모두 상대로 나아진 운영을 선보였는데 ▲ 예전부터 인터뷰에서 밝혔듯이 편하게 경기하면 경기가 잘 된다. 오늘은 비록 팀이 1:2로 지고 있는 상황이지만 ‘내가 져도 괜찮다’는 편안한 마음을 갖고 출전했다. 오히려 그렇게 편한 마음을 갖고 부담 없이 출전하다 보니 경기석에서 마치 연습하는 듯한 경기를 하는 것 같다. 꼭 이겨야겠다는 생각이 오히려 부담으로 작용한다.
- 4세트에서 박상우와 대결할 때 위기는 없었는지 ▲ 마지막까지 굉장히 치열한 가운데 특별히 위기도 없고 유리하지도 않으면서 접전 이었다. 울트라리스크가 진출하면서 전진하던 상대 병력을 중앙에서 막아내고 7시로 공격을 가면서 한 순간에 이길 수 있었다. 저글링 공방업이 잘 되어 있어서 이걸로 피해만 준다면 이길 수 있을 것이라고 판단했다. 오늘은 아드레날린 업그레이드도 바로 했다(웃음).
- 신상호와의 경기는 드랍을 자주 활용했는데 ▲ 초반에 큰 피해를 줄 수 있다고 판단해서 저글링을 너무 많이 생산했다. 이후에 상황이 무난하지만 유리하게 흘러가서 다수 드랍으로 끝내려고 했는데 생각보다 잘 안 먹혔다. 오히려 상황이 너무 유리하다 보니 드랍을 선택하면서 말린 것 같다. 그래도 뒷마당 러시로 피해를 줘서 이길 수 있었다.
- 신대근과 마지막 경기는 한번의 공격을 끝냈는데 ▲ 내가 제일 자신 있는 빌드를 선택했다. 마침 상대방보다 한 발씩 앞선 플레이였다. 뮤탈리스크 러시로 피해를 많이 주면 유리할 것이라고 생각했는데 한번에 경기가 끝났다.
- 신희승과 대결을 희망하진 않았는지 ▲ 나는 맞붙으면 좋을 상황인데 아무래도 남은 맵들을 고려해서 신대근 선수가 출전한 것 같다. 하지만 지금 이 기세라면 MSL에서 맞붙어도 자신 있다.
- 선봉 1킬, 3킬 마무리의 ‘CJ 패턴’이 계속 이어지고 있는데 ▲ 나 같은 경우는 위너스 리그의 경기 방식인 승자연전 방식에 강한 것 같다. 한 선수를 상대해서 승리를 거두면 아무래도 손도 풀리고 분위기도 좋아서 기세를 이어가는 것 같다.
- 다음 상대는 위메이드전인데 ▲ 일단 선봉전에서 (한)상봉이가 이겨 준다면 100% 이길 것 같다. 만약 선봉전에서 패한다면 뒤에 출전하는 선수가 잘해주면 된다. 현재 우리 팀이 기세가 좋기 때문에 모든 면에서 위메이드보다 우위를 점하고 있는 것 같다.
Thank you so much for the interview. His answers confirmed my feelings that lately he seems to be playing much more relaxed. Congrats to him on breaking his win streak!
Today I upgraded adrenalin upgrade straightly. (smile) (translator - He lost some games cuz he forgot upgrading zergling's adrenalin glanz upgrade, and It rated his frequent mistake [seriously])
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