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Lycaeus
United States1420 Posts
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Manbear
Canada306 Posts
"When you win u get more points. Adding to this a set of like 4-5 ppl you playing each other on diffrent ranks sometimes playing somoene else also can also be considered abuse. I am not saying you did this for sure since I cant know that and no one can only you yourself. And there is only so much trust we can put in users who in general, consantly decieve us. " wtf is this who is constantly decieving them | ||
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Nightmarjoo
United States3360 Posts
Seems to me that they should create a way for players to prove their innocence, like being able to show all the replays; justice conducted without the accused being able to defend themselves is not justice imo. | ||
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Manbear
Canada306 Posts
On January 31 2009 18:20 Nightmarjoo wrote: justice conducted without the accused being able to defend themselves is not justice imo. ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ wise words | ||
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brotlov
Australia128 Posts
http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/forum/iccup_help_forum/{lang_f_rep_s_a}/50815.html?1232914506 He played the same guy 19 times, and the admin says "They were fair games" And, their records are flipped, 23-2-0, 2-23-0 ICCUP rules are a joke | ||
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Naib
Hungary4843 Posts
Haha, so much for equal treatment. ICCup seems to be THAT short in admin-manpower that they seem to have to hire power-hungry abusing retards as admins... | ||
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fanatacist
10319 Posts
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Scooge
Iceland144 Posts
On February 01 2009 00:41 fanatacist wrote: They banned ret, rofl that will be on their tombstone. Really? Are you going back to WGT? And the people complaining about Iccup admins not speaking English or doing a bad job, why haven't any of you volunteered to help? You're so good at leeching their free service and complaining, but not so good at contributing or volunteering. Even a casual read through of the complaints forums gives me a headache at the amount of stupidity the admins deal with so I cut them slack. I'd never want their job. | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
Playing against the same person too many times: You are not allowed to play more than: 6 games between D- and D+ 9 Games between C- and C+ 12 Games between B- and B+ 15 Games between A- and A olympic Per day vs. same person. However some may think that they could play 6 games today 6 tomorrow (D ranks) and so on but nothing more wrong. Those cases will be handled separately and most of the times probably penalized since you can abuse your way into higher ranks with this method. Also cases of games played vs. same friends across bigger periods of time will be evaluated individually. So if you feel like training with friends and gaining some rank with it you should just switch to melee. Also its forbidden to play vs. people that have the same IP as you(LAN houses etc.), here number of consecutive games vs that person won't even mather. Banning playing with friends and team mates too many times is somewhat logical, as you can avoid general level of Icc. However, if they are saying that they will assess individually each player's games in some cases, than they should not ban massgaming against the same player, if skill equals or is above his rank compared to overall Icc level. And as the poster above me said, if you have limited resources than you have to follow the rules strictly in order to handle all complaints on time. So just put on melee guys if you want to play each other  | ||
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Yaqoob
Canada3323 Posts
Yes, I do think they made a mistake and they should have warned Satanik/Chosen/OctZerg and if they decided to penalize them even before warning them then they should have only taken away the points they've gained winning those matches. They made a mistake. It is as simple as that. A lot of people here are just jumping on the I Hate ICCup admins bandwagon. Most of these admins have done more for SC then most people here. They put in a lot of times checking complains and giving back ladder points and encoding the sites but they only get thanks when ICCup is down and when they make a mistake everyone jumps on them. I was an ICCup Ladder admin and its not easy work. Its really boring at times but they do it to help. Ease up on them. There not perfect. They make mistakes. Maybe someone can message Chelomon in his own language and explain it to him and he will undo what he did. Saying stupid things like admins are dumb will not change anything at all. This is just my 2 cents. | ||
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Sadist
United States7225 Posts
On February 01 2009 02:29 Yaqoob wrote: I love how everyone and their mother loves to complain about ICCup admins and mistakes they make. Yes, they don't speak perfect English. Who cares? They are giving us a FREE ladder and all everyone can ever do is complain and be babies about a few mistakes of 1-2 ICCup admins. Everyone was going crazy when ICCup was down and some were thinking of quitting SC. How easy is it to improve on ICCup and get a game. Yes, I do think they made a mistake and they should have warned Satanik/Chosen/OctZerg and if they decided to penalize them even before warning them then they should have only taken away the points they've gained winning those matches. They made a mistake. It is as simple as that. A lot of people here are just jumping on the I Hate ICCup admins bandwagon. Most of these admins have done more for SC then most people here. They put in a lot of times checking complains and giving back ladder points and encoding the sites but they only get thanks when ICCup is down and when they make a mistake everyone jumps on them. I was an ICCup Ladder admin and its not easy work. Its really boring at times but they do it to help. Ease up on them. There not perfect. They make mistakes. Maybe someone can message Chelomon in his own language and explain it to him and he will undo what he did. Saying stupid things like admins are dumb will not change anything at all. This is just my 2 cents. Quite frequently CW's are fucked up too. No doubt people a greatful about iccup....but some of the admins are terrible and give their friends and shit favorable decisions. | ||
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Nightmarjoo
United States3360 Posts
Yeah they made a mistake, that's fine, but not only are they refusing to look into whether or not it was a mistake, they just auto-ban everyone who hinted they might've made a mistake lol. edit: responding to Yaqoob | ||
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Ganfei
Taiwan1439 Posts
On February 01 2009 00:41 fanatacist wrote: They banned ret, rofl that will be on their tombstone. Oh please, like anyone cares that another D- noob decided to boycott ICCUP for 1-2 admins stupid decisions | ||
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alphafuzard
United States1610 Posts
On February 01 2009 00:51 Scooge wrote: Really? Are you going back to WGT? And the people complaining about Iccup admins not speaking English or doing a bad job, why haven't any of you volunteered to help? You're so good at leeching their free service and complaining, but not so good at contributing or volunteering. Even a casual read through of the complaints forums gives me a headache at the amount of stupidity the admins deal with so I cut them slack. I'd never want their job. It seems to me that the admins, especially cheloman, will not change their views after a wrong decision is made, even with a healthy amount of evidence, and attempted discussion. It seems like having a respectful disagreement in opinion is a no-no on that forum. Perhaps I don't have the full story, but from reading that thread I saw these two posts: ToT)ret( wrote: Can't you looik at their game list and respect the ammount of work they put into their ranks by playing a huge variety of people and maybe think for a second before you go ahead and ruin their hard work because omg they played practise games on ladder and went 10-10!!!! This would be the common sense approach. Technically, no rules written down = no punishment. Just warn them and move on ffs. and then this one following a few posts down: iccup.cheloman wrote: I wont reverse my decision. CASE CLOSED Ret banned from forums On teamliquid, ret's post would be considered perfectly acceptable, ESPECIALLY considering his reputation with the foreign community for both his character and contributions (most recently his tvz fpvod). The goal isn't to bash the iccup admins, but simply to try and help them do their job better. Listening to people like monki, whos posts make sick to my stomach, and seeing the admins almost blindly follow through with his recommendations to punish some of the foreign communities best people for practicing with each other too many times, which was not found in the forum rules, is completely silly. Hopefully they will see the error of their ways, and cooler heads will prevail. | ||
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tonight
United States11130 Posts
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Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
What the fuck? | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
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Sadist
United States7225 Posts
On February 01 2009 07:22 koreasilver wrote: They banned ret because he presented an argument? What the fuck? they say something like if you arent directly involved dont post in their thread. Dunno where cheloman is from but apparently discussing things isnt taught and being a prick is the norm.  I hate people who think they have "power" and try to rub it in peoples faces :D | ||
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diehilde
Germany1596 Posts
On February 01 2009 06:48 tonight wrote: No one would give two shits if they fucked up and admitted their wrong doing and fixed it, but that is not the case. Instead they just want to suppress anyone who disagrees with their actions. It is utter bullshit and even though I rarely play now it still pisses me off. On February 01 2009 07:17 Carnac wrote: that's just retarded, what the fuck On February 01 2009 07:22 koreasilver wrote: They banned ret because he presented an argument? What the fuck? Its their forum so they can ban whoever they want for whatever they want. Its the same at tl.net and ironically, people here have gotten banned for disagreeing with the majority/presenting an argument far more often than at iccup. Its funny to see people freak out about the injustice when they taste their own medicine at another forum. | ||
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