EPTIccup rules/problem - Page 3
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Liquid`Ret
Netherlands4511 Posts
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GeLaar
2421 Posts
On January 31 2009 01:32 Lamentations wrote: Whether there is a written rule or not it doesn't matter. If they are penalised for the 'stats abusing' games then it is fair. The website is still being updated and that doesn't mean "rules don't count" just because they haven't been added yet. If they abuse they get their points revoked and learn their lesson, and then they are no worse off than when they started because they should have done melee mode anyway. Why should they 'get away' with breaking the rules just because they didn't know it? This logic doesn't work in the real world (Sorry, I didn't know theft was illegal in this country! You can't punish me!), so stop complaining about it at iccup :/ You are absolutely right that you cannot ask not to be punished because of your ignorance of the law. Which is why countries have freely available law books. You are expected to be informed enough about the country's laws so as to not break them. And that's precisely why it's essential that rules be written down and publicly available. You can very well say "I didn't know it was illegal." if you broke a law that you had no chance of finding out about in advance. At the very least, if ICCup were hellbent on maintaining this rule, they should have immediately updated the rules section after the first penalty. To keep saying "Just because we didn't write it down, doesn't mean it's not a rule." and not informing people of it properly is absolutely moronic. I'm surprised there isn't already more of an outrage about the issue. The way those admins are handling this is unbelievable, and they have no excuse for it. | ||
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ffswowsucks
Greece2294 Posts
Quoting : You are not allowed to play more than: 6 games between D- and D+ 9 Games between C- and C+ 12 Games between B- and B+ 15 Games between A- and A olympic Per day vs same person. However some may think that they could play 6 games today 6 tomorow (D ranks) and so on. Nothing more wrong. Those cases will be handled sepertly and most of the times probably penaltied. Since you can abuse you away into higher ranks with this method. Also cases of games played vs same friends across bigger peroids of time will be evaluated individualy. So if you feel like training with friends and gaining some rank with it you should just switch to melle. Can someone explain to me in good written english what they are trying to say. Because at first they say that the games played is PER day, then they state that you cant do that... I mean its confusing... | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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GeLaar
2421 Posts
Honestly, tl.net should just make its own ladder. With blackjack. And hookers! | ||
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s.a.y
Croatia3840 Posts
On January 31 2009 03:02 GeLaar wrote: Isn't there a single admin at ICCup who speaks proper English? Honestly, tl.net should just make its own ladder. With blackjack. And hookers! i would play that | ||
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Baddieko
Singapore855 Posts
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GeLaar
2421 Posts
On January 31 2009 03:07 Baddieko wrote: Well, u are bound to follow iccup rules if u want to play on their server no matter how ridiculous the admins are. Its like tourists have to obey govt rules no matter where they are. Those that are unfairly accused just reset and rejoin using smurfed ids. Its not difficult to play back to same rank. Pick any one of the replies to that flawed analogy, and read it. | ||
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Zozma
United States1626 Posts
Points matter even for practice. If a C+ player got knocked down to D+, he'll have to play a bunch of players below his level before he can get some decent practice again. Besides, it's the principle of the thing. Playing games with the same person isn't necessarily ladder-abusing, and there's nothing good about a system where one random guy who posts a message "omg this guy is ladder abusing link" can get someone penalized. | ||
cgrinker
United States3824 Posts
If someone has a problem with IC they should take it up on that website. Or maybe PM one of the admins that have accounts here. But the wrong place to fight this battle | ||
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ffswowsucks
Greece2294 Posts
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Excello.ChOseN
United States82 Posts
ROFL, an admin gave me my points back because we discussed it, and it made sence. I gave him the replays, he watched it. Now I'm back with no points. ROFL Gotta get this fixed! | ||
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Dromar
United States2145 Posts
Playing against the same person too many times: You are not allowed to play more than: 6 games between D- and D+ 9 Games between C- and C+ 12 Games between B- and B+ 15 Games between A- and A olympic Per day vs same person. However some may think that they could play 6 games today 6 tomorow (D ranks) and so on. Nothing more wrong. Those cases will be handled sepertly and most of the times probably penaltied. Since you can abuse you away into higher ranks with this method. Also cases of games played vs same friends across bigger peroids of time will be evaluated individualy. So if you feel like training with friends and gaining some rank with it you should just switch to melle. I only read the first page, so I may not be the first to point this out, but it's worth pointing out. I'm not gonna take sides in the matter though, other than to mention this. It's easily found in Rules > Ladder Rules. edit: looks like it was mentioned already. Though if they put it in after this whole fiasco started, as was implicated above, I'd say they're overstepping their bounds. | ||
MasterOfChaos
Germany2896 Posts
On January 31 2009 04:50 Dromar wrote: I don't get why people are saying this isn't in the rules when it clearly is: I only read the first page, so I may not be the first to point this out, but it's worth pointing out. I'm not gonna take sides in the matter though, other than to mention this. It's easily found in Rules > Ladder Rules. edit: looks like it was mentioned already. Though if they put it in after this whole fiasco started, as was implicated above, I'd say they're overstepping their bounds. Internet pages can change, you know? Yesterday this wasn't in there. But some months ago it was there. | ||
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Dromar
United States2145 Posts
On January 31 2009 04:53 MasterOfChaos wrote: Internet pages can change, you know? Yesterday this wasn't in there. But some months ago it was there. Yeah, I just assumed it was there the whole time at first, because I checked it right after the new site came up, and it was there then, though I could have sworn the numbers were different (like 5 for D-C, 9 for B, 15 for A or something). | ||
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falls
United States168 Posts
The last paragraph about playing the same player over a long period of time (and most important part) was added recently tho. | ||
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kawoq
Guatemala357 Posts
How long have the banned players actually being playing on iCCup? 1 year break? well was the rule there 1 year ago??? So he (and most of the players) should knew about that rule right? at least back then? how many players that take a break come back and read the rules again??? I think the iCCup are too rude handiling this problem, though I see they dont have other option, and to be honest I think they are right applying the rule. They play a lot of games but was only for practice, they play that way cause they "feel" the pressure of the ranking. Well how can the admins know for sure that this is the case and that they arent abusing the ranks??? I think they just cant, even if we seem as "it is obvious"? well most of the mistakes humanity makes is cause people assume the answer instead of cold thinking. Admins just cant know for sure, they have no more choice than punish. Think about it, on the other hand, all the players have prove before their skill, so getting back to that rank wont be hard, in fact all this "BS" will probable make them play harder to get back to the spot they deserve... maybe even improve more cause the extra motivation... | ||
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Oystein
Norway1602 Posts
On January 31 2009 06:05 kawoq wrote: Think about it, on the other hand, all the players have prove before their skill, so getting back to that rank wont be hard, in fact all this "BS" will probable make them play harder to get back to the spot they deserve... maybe even improve more cause the extra motivation... Sure its no problem getting back to their ranks, but spending 50-60 games bashing players they are superior too getting there might be annoying and feel like a waste of time that they could have used praccing against equally skilled players at their real level. | ||
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Turbovolver
Australia2394 Posts
Yes it was a problem that it wasn't in the rules, but now it is. I think it's a fair rule, and sure it is going to inconvenience some true practise partners who wouldn't be affecting their score anyway (as much as it can inconvenience when melee also won't affect score by much =p) but it is also going to stop basic ladder abusers. EDIT: Well I just went and checked the links in the original post, and that Monki guy does indeed seem like a twat. He doesn't even try to hide his jealousy XDD | ||
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Eatme
Switzerland3919 Posts
A thing that would easily fix the entire problem with this kind of "abuse" would be ELO. But I am the only one that likes that type of ladder so I guess It wont ever happend. There would still be possibility for freewins but friends of equal skill could play an infinity of games and still be at 1000points. | ||
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