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bludragen88
United States527 Posts
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Oystein
Norway1602 Posts
On January 31 2009 01:32 Lamentations wrote: Whether there is a written rule or not it doesn't matter. If they are penalised for the 'stats abusing' games then it is fair. The website is still being updated and that doesn't mean "rules don't count" just because they haven't been added yet. If they abuse they get their points revoked and learn their lesson, and then they are no worse off than when they started because they should have done melee mode anyway. Why should they 'get away' with breaking the rules just because they didn't know it? This logic doesn't work in the real world (Sorry, I didn't know theft was illegal in this country! You can't punish me!), so stop complaining about it at iccup :/ Well if you as a foreigner do something wrong in another country chances are good you will get away with an warning since you didnt know about the rule (Im talking about something minor, not some serious crime that is obvious illegal), its not like they lock up tourist if they dont know about some obscure local rule, so no the logic works in the real world. And how can it be "stats abusing" when there is no written rule about it anyway, all they did was play lots of games vs eachother, they did not abuse the ladder to boost one of the players rank. Maybe they should have played their games in melee mode, but what about chosen vs octzerg did they also deserve it? And as for Satanik hes just returned from a 1+year break and might not even know what rules they had at iccup before. so should he be punished for doing something that there is written nothing about in the official ladder rules? | ||
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Shauni
4077 Posts
On January 31 2009 01:32 Lamentations wrote: Whether there is a written rule or not it doesn't matter. If they are penalised for the 'stats abusing' games then it is fair. The website is still being updated and that doesn't mean "rules don't count" just because they haven't been added yet. If they abuse they get their points revoked and learn their lesson, and then they are no worse off than when they started because they should have done melee mode anyway. Why should they 'get away' with breaking the rules just because they didn't know it? This logic doesn't work in the real world (Sorry, I didn't know theft was illegal in this country! You can't punish me!), so stop complaining about it at iccup :/ The difference is that (all non fascist) governments have a responsibility to list all laws and provide them to their people. While iccup is on a smaller scale, it would be expected to let the community know the rules so they don't have to ban people left and right without warnings. I can't believe you're arguing against this. Are you that Monki guy or what? | ||
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StRyKeR
United States1739 Posts
I guess it sucks to have stats deleted when you did nothing wrong, but I'm going to have to side with the rules. In a better world, the rules would be different and you would be allowed to play a lot more games, but the reality is that there are people who DO abuse the ladder and it's an IMPOSSIBLE task to reliable catch all of them. In this kind of environment, it's "guilty until proven innocent", so they have no choice but to make hard-coded and strict rules that you guys have to follow. I believe you guys didn't abuse. I also think penalties needed to be made. What if every abuser started complaining that they weren't abusing? I believe in you guys -- I bet you can find other ways to play each other right? | ||
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Sadist
United States7225 Posts
On January 31 2009 01:46 StRyKeR wrote: I don't think they called it an abuse, one of the guys said these are the rules so it's not a bannable abuse, just an offense to the rules. I guess it sucks to have stats deleted when you did nothing wrong, but I'm going to have to side with the rules. In a better world, the rules would be different and you would be allowed to play a lot more games, but the reality is that there are people who DO abuse the ladder and it's an IMPOSSIBLE task to reliable catch all of them. In this kind of environment, it's "guilty until proven innocent", so they have no choice but to make hard-coded and strict rules that you guys have to follow. I believe you guys didn't abuse. I also think penalties needed to be made. What if every abuser started complaining that they weren't abusing? I believe in you guys -- I bet you can find other ways to play each other right? There are no rules about it anywhere though. Even if there is a new website..they could just fucking post an announcement on the front page or send a mass mail out to everyone. They are full of shit. GL raping everyone at A/A+ that have no one to play with. | ||
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ffswowsucks
Greece2294 Posts
On January 31 2009 01:32 Lamentations wrote: Whether there is a written rule or not it doesn't matter. If they are penalised for the 'stats abusing' games then it is fair. The website is still being updated and that doesn't mean "rules don't count" just because they haven't been added yet. If they abuse they get their points revoked and learn their lesson, and then they are no worse off than when they started because they should have done melee mode anyway. Why should they 'get away' with breaking the rules just because they didn't know it? This logic doesn't work in the real world (Sorry, I didn't know theft was illegal in this country! You can't punish me!), so stop complaining about it at iccup :/ Quoting SunGod: Only Koreans are allowed to mass play each other didnt you know??? Do u think they would give a savior a -2500 penalty? fuck no AND THEY BETTER NOT EITHER, stop trying to ruin this ladder admins | ||
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Shauni
4077 Posts
On January 31 2009 01:46 StRyKeR wrote: I don't think they called it an abuse, one of the guys said these are the rules so it's not a bannable abuse, just an offense to the rules. Cheloman wrote: Stop play against the same people or I will ban you. It is definately bannable! I should also be banned, I played like 12 games vs ahzz on the stamina ladder the same day! | ||
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Excello.ChOseN
United States82 Posts
The admins instead of even telling the players "don't do this" and adding a rule on the webpage just gave a penalty for it and ruined the player's day. It wasn't abuse, there was no rule, the country analogy is horrible. If we go to russia and they arrest us for something they DONT have a rule for, its just them killing tourists. Please fix this... From Iccup.Hasuw : Case has been taken care of. I gave you answeres. 1 more topic and ur both www banned.Report. PLEASE HELP -- From Iccup.HasuW : The penalty will remain. next time you will want to play a ZvZ's your going to do it on melle. As for the rulle snot being there we will added it. We did miss somethings while we switched www's but they were there before so please dont put up an argument that you didnt knew it. At least he could learn english.. | ||
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s.a.y
Croatia3840 Posts
you play for practice, those points serve you nothing.it's an ego issue. to avoid conflicts, create UMS games. problem solved | ||
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littlechava
United States7218 Posts
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TagoMago
Greece61 Posts
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KwarK
United States42649 Posts
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Tarmak_mk
Macedonia410 Posts
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Excello.ChOseN
United States82 Posts
No more than 6 games between D- and D+ 9 Games between C- and C+ 12 Games between B- and B+ 15 Games between A- and A olympic ROFL YOU DONT EVEN KNOW. NO ONE DOES. MAKES ME LAUGH ^^ | ||
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LRM)TechnicS
Bulgaria1565 Posts
chosen, did they really punish you and octzerg for playing just 17 zvzs? This is like 2 hours of gaming... the games are short and most of the time if two players want to replay zvz they can end up with 10games very easily imo... kinda bs in this case imo | ||
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ffswowsucks
Greece2294 Posts
Yah and he played vs same ppl most of the time. Barely playing someone else. Also i dont realy care whom case referes too. We treat ppl the same no mather how much of a famous players they are. Also if you want to play friends all the time go melle to get some practice. If you want some competitive gaming play vs various ppl not the same. Thats kinda the thing i see here. If you play vs same person from an outsider point of view it does look like an abuse. QUOTE: Admins didnt even send pms to ask for the replays as they do in many korean cases they just gave a penalty,no warning nothing You seem to know much about how we handle cases with koreans. I don't recall doing that by any admin. Maybe in the past it was case like that. Also as i mentioned before while we moved from 1 website to another something were lost and forgotten to be backuped. We are also humans you know not all knowing not godlike beings and we tend to forget things when building the same rules from scratch. Thats why this is not in the rulles and will soon be. QUOTE: Only Koreans are allowed to mass play each other didnt you know??? Do u think they would give a savior a -2500 penalty? fuck no AND THEY BETTER NOT EITHER, stop trying to ruin this ladder admins Koreans don't realy have diffrent set of rulles. And may you give me an example of such case if it exists? You know CAT admins base their work on searching by logs for abuse cases and checking user reported ones. So either you got one u want to report or you are just saying random shit to backup this case. As for the 1st post. I don't know if you are aware of this but playing constantly vs same ppl getting wins and loses etc can get you higher in rank as well. Because when you lose games u lose less points (talking about D C B ranks). When you win u get more points. Adding to this a set of like 4-5 ppl you playing each other on diffrent ranks sometimes playing somoene else also can also be considered abuse. I am not saying you did this for sure since I cant know that and no one can only you yourself. And there is only so much trust we can put in users who in general, consantly decieve us. Thats why we are not biased as some say and we honestly try treat everyone the same. Thats why we wont add points for a game created when motw changed etc (there was a quite loud case of this recently). And thats only some of the things we do. I hope this generaly explains this whole situation and no mather how much topics on tl.net it wont mather to us. | ||
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Tarmak_mk
Macedonia410 Posts
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ffswowsucks
Greece2294 Posts
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Chanted
Norway1001 Posts
No more than 6 games between D- and D+ 9 Games between C- and C+ 12 Games between B- and B+ 15 Games between A- and A+ If you want to play more games then that, play melee and problem solved.. Its unfortunate that the rules werent transfered properly to the new site, but I think that most players, have seen or heard about that rule before, so it shouldnt come as a total surprise. For those that didnt this must come as a shock though, and that kinda sucks. If you apply some logic to this, 2 friends could get to A- if they just played enough games, so there is a reason this rule excists. | ||
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
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