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On January 20 2009 15:10 QuickStriker wrote:
If memory serves right.... not too long ago... Bisu practically owned Flash in Medusa map in several ways (1 being that Flash decided to camp and tank himself in for a while....) And also, Bisu has a good chance on Medusa map as well since he has a high ratio of win there.... In any case, like how some people said, this is either going to be a total rape of KTF or SKT-T1 with the first game and the first players on each team deciding the entire matchup..... Bisu or Lux..... at least in my personal sake and opinion, Bisu better win or my fantasy will be ALL IN RUINS!!!!!
No, it won't be a total rape both ways.
It'll probably be, 4-0 KTF or 4-3 KTF.
Possibly 4-3 SKT1, if FlaSh loses and KTF can't snipe a player.
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On January 20 2009 15:12 jwd241224 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2009 15:11 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On January 20 2009 15:10 RowdierBob wrote:
KTF needs an early win so they aren't forced to send out Flash faster than they would like.
Imo the whole series will be decided in the first match. If Luxury beats Bisu on Medusa, Fantasy is the only person who can take him down from there. BeSt can definitely beat Luxury. Lux's ZvP is still garbage IMO, forget about the KHAN all-kill.
Actually, you're right. I'm so used to BeSt having shit PvZ, his PvZ is improving now that sair/reaver, bisu build is becoming less viable.
That whole +1 Archon push is such a microless build that BeSt can totally rape zergs.
I think this is the actual reason why Bisu's PvZ is decreasing in strength, I could be wrong though. My game knowledge isn't huge enough to say too confidently.
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United States12607 Posts
On January 20 2009 15:13 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2009 15:12 jwd241224 wrote:On January 20 2009 15:11 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On January 20 2009 15:10 RowdierBob wrote:
KTF needs an early win so they aren't forced to send out Flash faster than they would like.
Imo the whole series will be decided in the first match. If Luxury beats Bisu on Medusa, Fantasy is the only person who can take him down from there. BeSt can definitely beat Luxury. Lux's ZvP is still garbage IMO, forget about the KHAN all-kill. Actually, you're right. I'm so used to BeSt having shit PvZ, his PvZ is improving now that sair/reaver, bisu build is becoming less viable.
The only reason I don't buy this is that BeSt is pretty much in love with sair/reaver, and he fails miserably at it. All of his recent vZ games have been failed sair/reaver (awful shuttle micro) followed up with a cheater-army steamroll.
BeSt really needs an easy 3rd for his PvZ to shine, that means he could be sent out on Andromeda and get the job done.
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:\ Map 2 is Destination, if Bisu wins, KTF will send out a zerg to snipe him there.
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The only one with excellent sair/reaver is really stork, his precision is scary an unmatched. I know Jangbis shuttle reaver control is also scary, but I dont recall his actual sair/reaver attempts.
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On January 20 2009 15:08 MrHoon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2009 15:06 BanZu wrote:
I hope Bisu's been practicing PvZ like hell... with who? s2? lololololol
Hopefully he asked Zerg players from other teams to practice with him. Not sure if players do this regularly but I know they do it in preparation for OSL/MSL matches.
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Fucking school :/ I'm gonna miss this.
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On January 20 2009 15:17 Jyvblamo wrote:
:\ Map 2 is Destination, if Bisu wins, KTF will send out a zerg to snipe him there.
sending a ktf zerg out to "snipe" seems like sending Mr. Magoo out to shoot a long distance target, at night.
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On January 20 2009 15:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2009 15:10 QuickStriker wrote:
If memory serves right.... not too long ago... Bisu practically owned Flash in Medusa map in several ways (1 being that Flash decided to camp and tank himself in for a while....) And also, Bisu has a good chance on Medusa map as well since he has a high ratio of win there.... In any case, like how some people said, this is either going to be a total rape of KTF or SKT-T1 with the first game and the first players on each team deciding the entire matchup..... Bisu or Lux..... at least in my personal sake and opinion, Bisu better win or my fantasy will be ALL IN RUINS!!!!! No, it won't be a total rape both ways. It'll probably be, 4-0 KTF or 4-3 KTF. Possibly 4-3 SKT1, if FlaSh loses and KTF can't snipe a player.
Well you seem to be so confident and sure that KTF will win no matter what...... but honestly, in this case, this match does determine all on the first game between Bisu and Lux.... Bisu winning will open up with possible game with Flash where if Bisu can take down both Lux and Flash, it's game, set and match point for SKT-T1.... on the other hand, if Lux beats down Bisu, KTF have to face several stored snipers that's always been in place for SKT-T1 (BeSt, Fantasy, and etc)
The ideal situation for me is to have all Flash, Bisu, iloveoov and BoxeR into the stage and win one battle each or something thus giving my Fantasy a super power advantage with SKT-T1 ultimately winning... that'll show that current rank #1 in Fantasy... hahahahaha....
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Yeah, SKT1 zergs are awful. It's no wonder that Bisu isn't doing well at PvZ; it's because of his lack of good zerg practice partners. At least in MBC, he had Saint, who is said to be a beast in practice, but now? He has S2 and Hyuk (LOL?). I really hope he asks zergs from other teams to help him practice because he really can't do a good job of PvZ practice with the zergs at his current team disposal.
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On January 20 2009 15:21 QuickStriker wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2009 15:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On January 20 2009 15:10 QuickStriker wrote:
If memory serves right.... not too long ago... Bisu practically owned Flash in Medusa map in several ways (1 being that Flash decided to camp and tank himself in for a while....) And also, Bisu has a good chance on Medusa map as well since he has a high ratio of win there.... In any case, like how some people said, this is either going to be a total rape of KTF or SKT-T1 with the first game and the first players on each team deciding the entire matchup..... Bisu or Lux..... at least in my personal sake and opinion, Bisu better win or my fantasy will be ALL IN RUINS!!!!! No, it won't be a total rape both ways. It'll probably be, 4-0 KTF or 4-3 KTF. Possibly 4-3 SKT1, if FlaSh loses and KTF can't snipe a player. Well you seem to be so confident and sure that KTF will win no matter what...... but honestly, in this case, this match does determine all on the first game between Bisu and Lux.... Bisu winning will open up with possible game with Flash where if Bisu can take down both Lux and Flash, it's game, set and match point for SKT-T1.... on the other hand, if Lux beats down Bisu, KTF have to face several stored snipers that's always been in place for SKT-T1 (BeSt, Fantasy, and etc) The ideal situation for me is to have all Flash, Bisu, iloveoov and BoxeR into the stage and win one battle each or something thus giving my Fantasy a super power advantage with SKT-T1 ultimately winning... that'll show that current rank #1 in Fantasy... hahahahaha....
Well of course SKT1 can win, I just think KTF is more likely too. The only way SKT1 can win is by taking the first game, in which case they have to take down FlaSh, and avoid a snipe.
It's much more difficult than what KTF has to do to win.
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in how many hours does this start?
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On January 20 2009 15:21 Seraphim wrote:
Yeah, SKT1 zergs are awful. It's no wonder that Bisu isn't doing well at PvZ; it's because of his lack of good zerg practice partners. At least in MBC, he had Saint, who is said to be a beast in practice, but now? He has S2 and Hyuk (LOL?). I really hope he asks zergs from other teams to help him practice because he really can't do a good job of PvZ practice with the zergs at his current team disposal.
But then by that logic...flash shouldn't be good at any matchups at all before luxury got here. Progamers by all accounts practice with other team's members frequently as well.
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On January 20 2009 15:28 b3tty wrote:
in how many hours does this start?
2 hours 25 minutes
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On January 20 2009 14:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2009 14:39 jwd241224 wrote:
Luxury < Bisu
Hoejja < Bisu
FlaSh > Bisu
FlaSh > BeSt
FlaSh >Fantasy
FlaSh > BoxeR
Why do people automatically assume Bisu is the best PvZ ever just because he took Daezang's build and did it better?
Stop right there. I'm the first person who will jump to discrediting Bisu's PvZ, but he is at the very least the 2nd best PvZ in history (pretty tight between him and Nal_ra). While his build orders weren't original, he did have immaculate preparation and a 6th sense about PvZ. He knew where battles were going to happen before they did, he knew just how to press the Zergs buttons to make him annoyed and flustered. Bisu was one of the PvZ icons of a generation and one of the most successful in history.
Despite signs that he is starting to slump (all of his game has holes atm, just that his opponents have sucked too much to exploit them (hi skyhigh)) in his prime he was the greatest of his generation and extremely influential. While it is incorrect to say that currently his PvZ is the best (lots of room to debate, no clear PvZ king atm), it was at one point. With that said... I have mixed feelings about Luxury after his OSL games and then his all-kill. While the only decent ZvP opponent was Jangbi (Stork sucks atm, deal with it fanboys), he did look very impressive while destroying.
Note that on Medusa Luxury has tended to use riskier builds to gain an early game advantage (speedling runby off 2 hat vs stork, 5 pool vs YJ) which tells me he's not comfortable playing straight up on this map. My guess is that Bisu knows this and will play safer than usual (he better). Luxury will also have by.hero's game vs Bisu to study - so bisu is very beatable on Medusa but at the same time Luxury has relied on risky builds to this point...
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Haha flash is gonna rape this so easy, when chansoo gets beaten which i dont think he will, in comes the dragonslayer to kill both bisu and best/fantasy WHO HE IS 3-0 VS ROFL SO MUCH FOR GOOD TVT
Keyboards are for chumps
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On January 20 2009 15:45 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2009 14:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On January 20 2009 14:39 jwd241224 wrote:
Luxury < Bisu
Hoejja < Bisu
FlaSh > Bisu
FlaSh > BeSt
FlaSh >Fantasy
FlaSh > BoxeR
Why do people automatically assume Bisu is the best PvZ ever just because he took Daezang's build and did it better? Stop right there. I'm the first person who will jump to discrediting Bisu's PvZ, but he is at the very least the 2nd best PvZ in history (pretty tight between him and Nal_ra). While his build orders weren't original, he did have immaculate preparation and a 6th sense about PvZ. He knew where battles were going to happen before they did, he knew just how to press the Zergs buttons to make him annoyed and flustered. Bisu was one of the PvZ icons of a generation and one of the most successful in history. Despite signs that he is starting to slump (all of his game has holes atm, just that his opponents have sucked too much to exploit them (hi skyhigh)) in his prime he was the greatest of his generation and extremely influential. While it is incorrect to say that currently his PvZ is the best (lots of room to debate, no clear PvZ king atm), it was at one point. With that said... I have mixed feelings about Luxury after his OSL games and then his all-kill. While the only decent ZvP opponent was Jangbi (Stork sucks atm, deal with it fanboys), he did look very impressive while destroying.
When I said that I meant currently. I don't disagree that he revolutionized the match-up.
But people think "Oh he did the bisu build and beat sAviOr, therefore he is the best PvZ player" while currently that's untrue. It's just the stigma he carries I suppose.
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Actually, is the lineup decided beforehand, or can they choose who to send depending on who is up on the spot?
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On January 20 2009 15:48 MuShu wrote:
Actually, is the lineup decided beforehand, or can they choose who to send depending on who is up on the spot?
Who ever they want
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