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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
January 19 2009 11:44 GMT
#461
So, so, wait... should the Z, after getting his few hydras and starting his lair, scout the T and see if he's preparing for mutas or for Lurkers, and then after lair go the way that the mech isn't prepared for... or can they adequately prepare for both of them?
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
DoX.)
Profile Joined December 2008
Singapore6164 Posts
January 19 2009 11:46 GMT
#462
Noo dammit I wanted all kill T.T
snapcrackle
Profile Joined December 2008
United States568 Posts
January 19 2009 11:51 GMT
#463
On January 19 2009 20:44 Shikyo wrote:
So, so, wait... should the Z, after getting his few hydras and starting his lair, scout the T and see if he's preparing for mutas or for Lurkers, and then after lair go the way that the mech isn't prepared for... or can they adequately prepare for both of them?

kind of confused what you are saying here. Can the zerg adequately prepare for both lurkers and mutas? In that case doubtful due to gas. On the other hand if you are asking does the zerg HAVE to scout to decide to go lurkers or to go mutas then i believe the answer is no.. but it would be smarter to scout and see if the terran has defense for mutas. that way if he doesn't you can punish the terran.
dmfg
Profile Joined May 2008
United Kingdom591 Posts
January 19 2009 11:53 GMT
#464
I think he's asking "can Terran going mech prepare for both muta and lurkers?". I'd be interesting in knowing this too.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
January 19 2009 11:59 GMT
#465
On January 19 2009 20:51 snapcrackle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2009 20:44 Shikyo wrote:
So, so, wait... should the Z, after getting his few hydras and starting his lair, scout the T and see if he's preparing for mutas or for Lurkers, and then after lair go the way that the mech isn't prepared for... or can they adequately prepare for both of them?

kind of confused what you are saying here. Can the zerg adequately prepare for both lurkers and mutas? In that case doubtful due to gas. On the other hand if you are asking does the zerg HAVE to scout to decide to go lurkers or to go mutas then i believe the answer is no.. but it would be smarter to scout and see if the terran has defense for mutas. that way if he doesn't you can punish the terran.

Can the mech user adequately prepare for both I mean. He has no way of knowing which you go for before scanners.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
January 19 2009 12:03 GMT
#466
in some situations you can know, thats one of the perks of the proxy 8 rax -> mech opening, you can float the rax in their base for scouting.

altho if theyre going 3 hat hydra then it dies and you're stuck at 2 fac for a year or 2

but ya lack of scouting is a big issue with mech. with fantasy's build the drop provided scouting, some terrans will go fac cc port and make a wraith to scout or count on a speedvult runby getting in... altho thats really hit or miss. theres various ways to deal with it, no consensus on whats the best yet.

if you have absolutely no idea and have to prepare for both you're kinda fucked, the bright side is that if they open hard lurk or muta and it does 0 damage and you fe'd you're in really good shape.
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
January 19 2009 12:10 GMT
#467
So uh... how can the Z see which the T is trying to prepare for by sacrificing an overlord right before his lair finishes? Like, what signs should he look for. I guess really early academy is for Lurkers but is there anything specific they can find out at that point?
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
January 19 2009 12:15 GMT
#468
lol i can imagine what happened

after hiya lost, whatever, let's throw in some ace players lol
And all is illuminated.
SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
January 19 2009 12:28 GMT
#469
Woah this format really rocks, I hope the PL games are also played this way.
"If i lost an arm, I would play w3." -IntoTheWow || "Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk cafe. He's the next Jaedong, baby!"
sh02hp0869
Profile Joined January 2008
Sweden460 Posts
January 19 2009 14:28 GMT
#470
On January 19 2009 21:28 Infinity.SkyLark wrote:
Woah this format really rocks, I hope the PL games are also played this way.


Its a part of the PL if I have understod it correctly.
Hello mother hello father
SoMuchBetter
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia10606 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-19 15:26:49
January 19 2009 15:26 GMT
#471
=[ its tough being an estro fan
AUSSIESCUM
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IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
January 19 2009 15:31 GMT
#472
On January 19 2009 21:10 Shikyo wrote:
So uh... how can the Z see which the T is trying to prepare for by sacrificing an overlord right before his lair finishes? Like, what signs should he look for. I guess really early academy is for Lurkers but is there anything specific they can find out at that point?

not really, t is still pretty flexible at that point, unless theyre pumping vulture tank or somethin.
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Mandalor
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Germany2362 Posts
January 19 2009 15:49 GMT
#473
On January 20 2009 00:26 SoMuchBetter wrote:
=[ its tough being an estro fan


I'm not following progaming thaaat much, but I thought estro was doing pretty well lately
Frits
Profile Joined March 2003
11782 Posts
January 19 2009 16:08 GMT
#474
On January 19 2009 21:15 freelander wrote:
lol i can imagine what happened

after hiya lost, whatever, let's throw in some ace players lol


Upmagic did kill JD last time they met in PL, which was very recently.

But yeah these lineups were so unfair lol, poor upmagic is all alone in estro. Surprised they didnt use magma by the way.
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
January 19 2009 17:13 GMT
#475
im more surprised estro didnt send out really

anyway hell yea JD
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Jaeden
Profile Joined September 2008
Romania1489 Posts
January 19 2009 18:23 GMT
#476
On January 19 2009 20:42 Klive5ive wrote:
That's what JD thinks of Mech builds.

the best comment right here

oh and:

On January 20 2009 01:08 Frits wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2009 21:15 freelander wrote:
lol i can imagine what happened

after hiya lost, whatever, let's throw in some ace players lol


Upmagic did kill JD last time they met in PL, which was very recently.

But yeah these lineups were so unfair lol, poor upmagic is all alone in estro. Surprised they didnt use magma by the way.


That game doesn`t mean anything. You`d know that if you watched it D:
Boxer: " Lee Jae Dong is the best player. He`s all about the micro; he`s the player which has the most amazing control"
Frits
Profile Joined March 2003
11782 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-19 18:29:51
January 19 2009 18:28 GMT
#477
On January 20 2009 03:23 Jaeden wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2009 20:42 Klive5ive wrote:
That's what JD thinks of Mech builds.

the best comment right here

oh and:

Show nested quote +
On January 20 2009 01:08 Frits wrote:
On January 19 2009 21:15 freelander wrote:
lol i can imagine what happened

after hiya lost, whatever, let's throw in some ace players lol


Upmagic did kill JD last time they met in PL, which was very recently.

But yeah these lineups were so unfair lol, poor upmagic is all alone in estro. Surprised they didnt use magma by the way.


That game doesn`t mean anything. You`d know that if you watched it D:


Please explain how that game didn't mean anything. I've seen it and upmagic countered Jaedong perfectly, I don't see how it was meaningless. I'm not saying that upmagic is better but Upmagic definately stands a good chance of beating JD with mech, especially when you consider how JD has lost time and again against mech.
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4727 Posts
January 19 2009 18:54 GMT
#478
On January 20 2009 03:23 Jaeden wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2009 20:42 Klive5ive wrote:
That's what JD thinks of Mech builds.

the best comment right here

oh and:

Show nested quote +
On January 20 2009 01:08 Frits wrote:
On January 19 2009 21:15 freelander wrote:
lol i can imagine what happened

after hiya lost, whatever, let's throw in some ace players lol


Upmagic did kill JD last time they met in PL, which was very recently.

But yeah these lineups were so unfair lol, poor upmagic is all alone in estro. Surprised they didnt use magma by the way.


That game doesn`t mean anything. You`d know that if you watched it D:


I agree, but so does this one. In JDs loss he just committed suicide. Todays game Up prepared for lurkers and fucked up his ebay-timing badly. Both games are really useless to draw any conclusions from in my opinion. Maybe except the fact that 3hatch-play is quite possible against mech.
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Jaeden
Profile Joined September 2008
Romania1489 Posts
January 19 2009 19:01 GMT
#479
On January 20 2009 03:28 Frits wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2009 03:23 Jaeden wrote:
On January 19 2009 20:42 Klive5ive wrote:
That's what JD thinks of Mech builds.

the best comment right here

oh and:

On January 20 2009 01:08 Frits wrote:
On January 19 2009 21:15 freelander wrote:
lol i can imagine what happened

after hiya lost, whatever, let's throw in some ace players lol


Upmagic did kill JD last time they met in PL, which was very recently.

But yeah these lineups were so unfair lol, poor upmagic is all alone in estro. Surprised they didnt use magma by the way.


That game doesn`t mean anything. You`d know that if you watched it D:


Please explain how that game didn't mean anything. I've seen it and upmagic countered Jaedong perfectly, I don't see how it was meaningless. I'm not saying that upmagic is better but Upmagic definately stands a good chance of beating JD with mech, especially when you consider how JD has lost time and again against mech.

JD tried an all-in and failed. That doesn`t mean anything. I`m not sayin that Up can`t beat JD, I`m just sayin` that u can`t draw a conclusion from that game. Er, yeah, I agree with Malinor
Boxer: " Lee Jae Dong is the best player. He`s all about the micro; he`s the player which has the most amazing control"
DreaM)XeRO
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Korea (South)4667 Posts
January 19 2009 19:12 GMT
#480
wowowow
gogogo Hiya

this new winners league is showing off alootta new talent
like (P)Movie and (T)HiyA

very nice
cw)minsean(ru
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