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Saracen
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5139 Posts
December 20 2008 06:07 GMT
#341
lol kill his pool
you really need another hatch T_T
ilovejonn
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Canada2548 Posts
December 20 2008 06:07 GMT
#342
hyuk picking hades' lings off
Snowflakes in January, Heart warm like February, I wouldn't ordinarily..
clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
December 20 2008 06:07 GMT
#343
gas is NOW going up for great.
#1 Sea.Really Fan / #1 Nesh Fan / Terran Forever~
ilovejonn
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Canada2548 Posts
December 20 2008 06:07 GMT
#344
mutas out for hades
Snowflakes in January, Heart warm like February, I wouldn't ordinarily..
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
December 20 2008 06:07 GMT
#345
Hyuk picking off Great's lings. Great finally has mutas out.
God Bless
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
December 20 2008 06:07 GMT
#346
greats pool might go down
yea it does
Forever Young
clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
December 20 2008 06:07 GMT
#347
pool down for by.great =/
#1 Sea.Really Fan / #1 Nesh Fan / Terran Forever~
ilovejonn
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Canada2548 Posts
December 20 2008 06:07 GMT
#348
hyuk killing hade's pool
Snowflakes in January, Heart warm like February, I wouldn't ordinarily..
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
December 20 2008 06:07 GMT
#349
Great JUST getting gas on his nat. His pool is going down. It does go down.
God Bless
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-20 06:08:04
December 20 2008 06:07 GMT
#350
hyuk picks off a spore in hades's main, and then snipes the unprotected spawning pool.

hades is NOT mining gas at his nat.
ilovejonn
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Canada2548 Posts
December 20 2008 06:08 GMT
#351
hades picks off 2 drones with 5 lings
Snowflakes in January, Heart warm like February, I wouldn't ordinarily..
clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
December 20 2008 06:08 GMT
#352
WOW
Hyuk has so many mutas...off of one base, damn!
2 drones were killed though.
#1 Sea.Really Fan / #1 Nesh Fan / Terran Forever~
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
December 20 2008 06:08 GMT
#353
Yet again he tries to sneak lings in, but they get cleaned up by mutas, but they do score a few kills on drones.
God Bless
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
December 20 2008 06:08 GMT
#354
ncie scorges for great snipes a muta as it pops
Forever Young
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-20 06:09:39
December 20 2008 06:08 GMT
#355
On December 20 2008 15:03 wombo combo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2008 14:59 OneOther wrote:
On December 20 2008 14:57 wombo combo wrote:
On December 20 2008 14:55 OneOther wrote:
On December 20 2008 14:53 wombo combo wrote:
On December 20 2008 14:51 OneOther wrote:
On December 20 2008 14:47 wombo combo wrote:
On December 20 2008 14:45 OneOther wrote:
That map is so fucking imba =/ But gotta give Fantasy for playing it perfectly

Psh don't make excuses, Sin Chupung only has 3 games and it's 3-0 TvP, but Chupung is P>T (19-10) accourding to TLPD.

Dunno what the changes are from regular Chupung to Sin, but i doubt it completely swung it imba in favor Terran.

Fantasy played extremely well, Jangbi played average. That's what happens.

On December 20 2008 14:46 Too_MuchZerg wrote:
Sin Chupung-Ryeong
TvZ: 4-0 (100%)
PvT: 0-3 (0%) (0-4 after this game)

wonder when teams choose only Terran this map :D

yes, your ginormous sample size of 3 games. look at the original chupung please

chupung is awful pvt if you don't do some damage early game, or harassment. a lot of protoss players have done things like proxy to gain advantage, but i guess nothing went right for jangbi. if the game goes into midgame without toss doing any damage it gets really hard, as you saw. what other map can you do that shit as terran

look at the stats, its 19-13 P>T shit's not imba

jangbi lost because fantasy played better, don't make excuses because of the map

fuck i never said fantasy didn't play well. but the only reason why he was able to camp and abuse emp like that was because of the map. jesus

"that map is so fucking imba" is a completely inaccurate way to describe PvT on there

there's on way it can be "so fucking imba" for TvP when it's 19-13 PVT IN FAVOR OF PROTOSS

that's all i'm saying

stop using chupung tlpd stats. a lot of pvts were won with proxy gate zeals, surprise dt drops, reaver, and other builds oriented that way. a pvt going into standard macro mid-late/late game is imbalanced. yes, jangbi failed to do damage with dts. yes, fantasy played it well. but that cannot be denied.

saying "a pvt going into standard macro mid-late/late game is imbalanced" is like me saying "a ZvT going into late game when the Zerg has 4+ gas is imbalanced"

you cant put preconditions on matchups, so what if PvTs were won with those builds? that has to be factored into the equation on the balance of the map, you can't just ignore all games except ones where terrans sustain no early/midgame damage and say "well THOSE are imba"

that's like a Z doing a 2 hatch build, doing no damage, then me saying well if a Zerg can't do early game damage with his 2 hatch, it's IMBA TVZ. doesn't make sense, threat and execution of those proxy / dt drops / reaver builds are a large part of PvT you can't simply ignore them. by that definition every TvP on any map is imbalanced in favor of Terran then (imposing your "sustained no damage until late game" conditions).

LOL a pvt going into standard mid-late/late game is NOTHING like saying zvt is imba with zerg getting 4+ gas. hahaha, on a balanced pvt map, pvt should be fair going into mid-late/late game without protoss doing any damage. seriously, your examples are awful man. if a zerg does 2 hatch build and does no damage, then it's the zerg player's fault. if the protoss and terran play standard going into the late game, and the game favors terran, then yeah, my point stands. why? because it would be fair on any other map. 2 hatch/zerg getting 4 gas has nothing to do with this because that solely depends on the players. a protoss player should not be forced to deal damage before mid-late game by the map.
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
December 20 2008 06:08 GMT
#356
Spore defense for Great. Basically it is.
God Bless
clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-20 06:09:16
December 20 2008 06:09 GMT
#357
LOL Spore D - Medua Edition ^^
#1 Sea.Really Fan / #1 Nesh Fan / Terran Forever~
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
December 20 2008 06:09 GMT
#358
if great can hold off a lil longer i think he could win but im not good at ZvZ
hyuk has a shitton mutas thou
Forever Young
clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
December 20 2008 06:09 GMT
#359
On December 20 2008 15:09 sung_moon wrote:
if great can hold off a lil longer i think he could win but im not good at ZvZ
hyuk has a shitton mutas thou


hyuk has more mutas, and now his natural is up/running.
#1 Sea.Really Fan / #1 Nesh Fan / Terran Forever~
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
December 20 2008 06:09 GMT
#360
Hyuk stubbornly attempts to engage while theres a shitload of spore colonies.
God Bless
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