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shavingcream66
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Onisparda
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usopsama
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I really hope 815 somehow wins so that we can see Jangbi fight Luxury. | ||
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
Stork had center, where should Flash expo besides the two side temple expos? How should he push with fast vessel, do you remember how fast his facility was? and the dropships. His actual timing to push into Stork was sick. It was also supposed to end the game since the upgrades were timed to finish then. He had 3 attack, dunno about armor. Vulture Drop -> Slow Push, since Stork had templar+Mass units | ||
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sung_moon
United States10110 Posts
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
On December 14 2008 15:14 Fontong wrote: No he didn't lol. He was behind until tempest was reallly stupid and decided to counter. He got his army massively flanked by a number of zlots they could have potentially beaten. His play was not at all good. whatevs im proud of him lol | ||
Atrioc
United States1865 Posts
there is no excuse for tempest losing that game except that he has horrible horrible decision making, which makes his wins over Jaedong that much more fucked. he was dominating after his +1 attack, which is just a stupidly good build, and instead of dealing with the immediate threat to him (the mutas) comfortably with his two archons and corsairs, which would have left him 3 base vs 3 base ready to roll his way to victory he makes the dumbass decision to counter. Jaedong lost to this kid with good mechanics but horrible decision making because this speedlot --> archon build is so fucking good that the slightest misstep by zerg and you are done. Even in this game had a few things gone microscopically differently (namely with Tempest focus firing something instead of running around not doing any permanent damage) , Juni could have lost a hatchery, his spire, etc. and Tempest would be astronomically ahead instead of just decently ahead like he was when he threw it away. | ||
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Qwertify
United States2531 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + it is the same at the secret of the 13012 what is that? + Show Spoiler + the same thing as the secret of the 13011 | ||
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Sprite
United States1015 Posts
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
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shavingcream66
United States1219 Posts
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KizZBG
u gotta skate8152 Posts
On December 14 2008 15:15 shavingcream66 wrote: i love watching krn commercials I hate them!  | ||
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d(O.o)a
Canada5066 Posts
On December 14 2008 15:17 Qwertify wrote: I know the secret of the 13013 + Show Spoiler + it is the same at the secret of the 13012 what is that? + Show Spoiler + the same thing as the secret of the 13011 failed. | ||
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Vasoline73
United States7817 Posts
On December 14 2008 15:16 SuperJongMan wrote: I think you guys underestimate how nice a position Stork had after the opening game. Stork had center, where should Flash expo besides the two side temple expos? How should he push with fast vessel, do you remember how fast his facility was? and the dropships. His actual timing to push into Stork was sick. It was also supposed to end the game since the upgrades were timed to finish then. He had 3 attack, dunno about armor. I'm arguing that after the failed DT attack he needed to build facts instead of the starport and facility. EDIT: I say this because Flash should have known that Stork was way behind economically because he knows the timings Plexa is arguing that because Flash DID build the facility and Starport, that he needed to expand quicker. He could have slow pushed to the closest gas expo and just camped there for awhile. Instead he went way too slow. So our arguments are just different ways Flash could have played the game | ||
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Athos
United States2484 Posts
On December 14 2008 15:14 Plexa wrote: Basically Storks decision to triple expo left him with very few units, Flashs options were to hard push (vs DT? too risky) or to take his 3rd fast as well. Instead he just slow played the game, and suffered as a result. My bad about the expansion thing...its kinda late and I didn't notice that. W/e I think that Flash was under enough pressure in the expansions that he had. I think he banked on his harassment being able to take out some of Stork's expos and it failed. Still a great game played by both parties. | ||
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Rostam
United States2552 Posts
On December 14 2008 15:18 shavingcream66 wrote: is it just me or krn commercials breaks are freaking long well they have to last long enough to get the next game set up i would imagine.. | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On December 14 2008 15:16 SuperJongMan wrote: He didn't need to get vessel, and he didn't get those until much later. He got it for fast +2. What happened, as far as i can remember, was that Flash thought Stork had 3 base not 4 and overestimated the number of unit Stork had (i think he may have also expected 3 base arbiter, which is semi-popular). Of course this meant Flash slow played instead of agressively expandI think you guys underestimate how nice a position Stork had after the opening game. Stork had center, where should Flash expo besides the two side temple expos? How should he push with fast vessel, do you remember how fast his facility was? and the dropships. His actual timing to push into Stork was sick. It was also supposed to end the game since the upgrades were timed to finish then. He had 3 attack, dunno about armor. Vulture Drop -> Slow Push, since Stork had templar+Mass units | ||
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
On December 14 2008 15:18 Vasoline73 wrote: I'm arguing that after the failed DT attack he needed to build facts instead of the starport and facility. Plexa is arguing that because Flash DID build the facility and Starport, that he needed to expand quicker. He could have slow pushed to the closest gas expo and just camped there for awhile. Instead he went way too slow. So our arguments are just different ways Flash could have played the game But if he doesn't get facility, he gets 2 armories for SUPER SPEEDY 1-1??? | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
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Qwertify
United States2531 Posts
On December 14 2008 15:17 Atrioc wrote: JUNI VS TEMPEST there is no excuse for tempest losing that game except that he has horrible horrible decision making, which makes his wins over Jaedong that much more fucked. he was dominating after his +1 attack, which is just a stupidly good build, and instead of dealing with the immediate threat to him (the mutas) comfortably with his two archons and corsairs, which would have left him 3 base vs 3 base ready to roll his way to victory he makes the dumbass decision to counter. Jaedong lost to this kid with good mechanics but horrible decision making because this speedlot --> archon build is so fucking good that the slightest misstep by zerg and you are done. Even in this game had a few things gone microscopically differently (namely with Tempest focus firing something instead of running around not doing any permanent damage) , Juni could have lost a hatchery, his spire, etc. and Tempest would be astronomically ahead instead of just decently ahead like he was when he threw it away. Oh man I completely agree. Not only should he not have countered, but instead of splitting out his zealots in a million directions, he should have gone for the Hydra den that was UNDOUBTEDLY at that point going for lurker tech. that or the spire. In the end he took down nothing and lost all his zealots. And then, yeah he threw away his archons while he had nothing to defend with in his main. I HAVE to assume that he thought that Juni was low on money and a ground army. But no, he wasn't - he had many hydras and lurkers to boot. | ||
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