Anytime forcing him use builds that don't suck, and now he's just going to descend into a spiral of unwise 2-gate proxies, no/all goon vs. zerg, and 2-base carrier?

He'll hit (P)

Rock bottom when he ends up going fast reavers against pure muta.

meegrean

Thailand7699 Posts

November 23 2008 12:42 GMT

#343

Judging from this live report, I have to watch game 5

ish0wstopper

Korea (South)342 Posts

November 23 2008 12:48 GMT

#344

awesome predictions

simcar

Korea (South)118 Posts

November 23 2008 13:04 GMT

#345

ERA of Robots is over---> Jaedong,ForGG etc. They become mediocre players. I hope it it will continue.

QibingZero

2611 Posts

November 23 2008 13:07 GMT

#346

On November 23 2008 22:04 simcar wrote:
ERA of Robots is over---> Jaedong,ForGG etc. They become mediocre players. I hope it it will continue.

Hi there clueless post.

In any case, lets hope that for the sake of Starcraft Jaedong finally gets pissed enough to go on another dominating streak. The state of Zerg right now is looking pretty grim without him and savior!

simcar

Korea (South)118 Posts

November 23 2008 13:21 GMT

#347

Yes , my post was very clueless. But if see play of JD u can see that he is ROBOT. Doing the same thing again and again. That's why he is losing now. When MJY was dominant he played very differently in every game vs protoss,terran. 3 hatch ---> then he could play with 100 tactics.
But JD is using same tacktick in every game.Everybody knows how to counter this. See Sangho,Free,Kal ...etc

Sprite

United States1015 Posts

November 23 2008 13:31 GMT

#348

Failho lol, god love watching that guy play.

Jaeden

Romania1489 Posts

November 23 2008 15:49 GMT

#349

I think lecaf should give JD a break. At least from the Ace match

iloveHieu

United States1919 Posts

November 23 2008 16:57 GMT

#350

ah can't find vod for anything $*$*#)(%

I want to see Jeadong gets whooped =(

Atrioc

United States1865 Posts

November 23 2008 17:04 GMT

#351

On November 23 2008 22:21 simcar wrote:
Yes , my post was very clueless. But if see play of JD u can see that he is ROBOT. Doing the same thing again and again. That's why he is losing now. When MJY was dominant he played very differently in every game vs protoss,terran. 3 hatch ---> then he could play with 100 tactics.
But JD is using same tacktick in every game.Everybody knows how to counter this. See Sangho,Free,Kal ...etc

??
I'm a huge sAviOr fan and your post is completely wrong. Jaedong has way more variety in his builds/tactics than sAviOr did, and that is one of the things that makes him a really interesting Zerg to watch. sAviOr's appeal came in his absolute dominance against players that knew what was coming -- he rarely varied his 3 hatch greedy macro play and still crushed the opposition.

I think you are very confused.

raga4ka

Bulgaria5679 Posts

November 23 2008 17:07 GMT

#352

I don't think Jaedong plays like a robot he changes his style vs terran especially and toss sometimes . It is map dependant its not like you can do a diffrent style play when maps favours the more common ...

d(O.o)a

Canada5066 Posts

November 23 2008 17:09 GMT

#353

What are you guys talking about BCs never used in TvZ they used to be used all the time look for nada games.

clazziquai

6685 Posts

November 23 2008 17:11 GMT

#354

FIREBATHEROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YAY!

Coulthard

Greece3359 Posts

November 23 2008 17:12 GMT

#355

Jaedong uses the same opening over and over and over again and thats a fact,as did Savior but as you said they knew what was coming but still they couldnt counter his build. Savior was the real deal.

dinmsab

Malaysia2246 Posts

November 23 2008 17:16 GMT

#356

aww.. come on, JD did nothing wrong, his BO was ok, his play was fine.. its just that FBH was too good. =P

talismania

United States2364 Posts

November 23 2008 17:22 GMT

#357

jaedong has this habit of playing a really great early and mid game but then falling apart as the game goes longer because of one bad mistake. against free it was not sniping free's observer at his base, letting free spot the greater spire and his drop timings. Against kal it was making all those lurkers instead of teching. Against fbh here it was going muta and then doing nothing with them instead of just expanding again after he had wiped out fbh's army with the ling surround.

OneOther

United States10774 Posts

November 23 2008 17:27 GMT

#358

winning without stork/jangbi wtf

Vasoline73

United States7805 Posts

November 23 2008 17:36 GMT

#359

FBH Lecaf all kill! Haha. Or close

. Good stuff, can't wait to see the Jaedong/FBH game

Atrioc

United States1865 Posts

November 23 2008 17:36 GMT

#360

On November 24 2008 02:12 coulthard[pR] wrote:
Jaedong uses the same opening over and over and over again and thats a fact,as did Savior but as you said they knew what was coming but still they couldnt counter his build. Savior was the real deal.

Just saying "thats a fact' doesnt actually make it a fact, haha.

Just off the top of my head I can think of his fast muta --> ultralisk strat vs Mind on Andromeda and fOrGG on Colosseum, his 2 hatch Muta vs Flash in the GOM TV finals, his pure muta double control group amazing harass vs Upmagic on Blue Storm, that hyper-agressive almost no drones (as part of his build, they werent killed or anything) muta/ling play vs Ruby on Blue Storm, his attempted drone drill rush vs Hwasin on Tau Cross (ended up going to a long game), his massive Sunk/Lurk/Spore - vs Kal Game 2 on Loki II, his prefectly timed hydra break vs Lucifer on Athena, his speedling runby vs Jangbi, and that pure muta game vs Much on Athena. Not to mention the zillions of ZvZ variations he has used in his domination of that matchup.

Also: Populared Spire for scourge to stop the Corsair harassment, and "infolings" (burrowed lings scattered around the map) to help maintain scouting ability when the protoss does reaver/sair

I dont get this retarded hate for JD. Its possible to like both sAviOr and JD, especially as a Zerg fan (or hell even as a fan of professional broodwar, becuase without good vZ matchup, the game loses part of its appeal)