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Game 1 - (P) BackHo < Chupung-Ryeong > (P)TT
Game 2 - (T) HiyA < Andromeda > (T)FrOzean
Game 3 - (Z) Jaedong < RaiD Assault 2 > (Z)JiHyun
Game 4 - (T)Lomo < Destination > (T)firebathero
Closer - < Harmony >
Predictions:
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In a battle between two of the top teams with first place in round 1 of the season on the line, one might expect to see strong lineups from each team. Sadly, that is not the case.
Backho has been solid this season and is fairly good at PvP, while the only thing TT has done is completely blow a won game against Savior.
BackHo>TT
Frozean and his 0-5 record belong as part of T1's zerg lineup. Hiya has not been amazing in TvT either, but look for him to give frozean a 0-6 record.
HiyA > FrOzean
TT/JiHyun would stand a decent chance in a 2v2 against BackHo/Jaedong. However, this is not a 2v2.
Jaedong>JiHyun
Lecaf 3>KHAN 0
However, if one of Lecaf's first three players drops the ball, Lomo is going to be in trouble against Firebathero. FBH is 3-1 in TvT this PL season and has always been amazing at the matchup, while lomo is 0-2 in TvT this season and has always been fairly average at it.
Lomo<Firebathero
If it does go to ace, I think that Lecaf will be in trouble, since I don't believe any of their players will be able to beat Firebathero on Harmony. Most likely they'll send Jaedong, who'll make a good game but lose to FBH in the end.
Ace: Jaedong < Firebathero
Results:
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I hope this thread is okay, it's my first time trying to make one of these.
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Gogo mirrors and gogo Lecaf OZ.
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I think either Lecaf takes it in 3, or in 5 (with Lomo+Hiya losing). FBH's TvZ must be so rusty, he hasn't played in like what, 3 months? Stork for Ace would stand a chance against Jaedong, but I'm still siding with Lecaf.
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Backho, Frozean, Jaedong, Firebathero, then Forgg cleans up with ace match~
Lecaf takes this 3-2.
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damn those jackets are ugly (although the khan jackets (not uniforms) were pretty damn ugly too)
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BackHo in green, at the top, TT is changed to red by the commentators
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Backho sending out first SCV, setting up a proxy by TT's nat
edit: I MEAN PROBE
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Starting! Backho is white at 2, while TT is red at 7.
Backho sends one of his first probes to proxy.
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This looks like that 2 proxy gate , one of which is blocking the other frm taking damage
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BackHo proxying two gates at TT's nat, he has his ramp blocked aginst TT's scout
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Backho has proxy 2gate vs TT's 1gate core, backho leaves a probe on his ramp to stop TT's scout, but TT gets in anyways.
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BACKHO, YOU FAIL! TT's scout gets through, sees backho without gas or gateways in his main.
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Backho has 1 zealot in TT's main, and a probe. 1st zeal does not damage, another shows up.
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1 probe down for each player! 3 zealots (backho) to 2 (tt) Backho gets another probe
Backho flooding in more zealots, but the battery will make things difficult
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TT builds a second gate and a shield battery, currently 5 of TTs zeals vs 7 of backho's.
lol TT builds a second shield battery.
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Micro battles going on in the edge of TT's minline. I hope shield batterys take a lot of minerals, because TT put up another one.
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1 battery down! Backho hseems to have a greater, or equal number of ealots, and is really delaying TT's tech. Looking decent for backho, but TT is sending a bunc of zeals to backho's main, where there is no defense
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backho manages to take down one of the shield batteries, and is NOW SENDING MOST OF HIS ZEALS TO COUNTER.
Backho putting up a forge
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Backho finishes a forge in his main, but he'll be in big trouble when those zeals arrive. Backho ran back 2 zealots to defend against 4 zeals of TT, started 2 cannons in minline. 1 cannon forced to cancel
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Backho attempts to build 2 cannons in his main, TT fources one to get cancelled, but the second one manages to complete, and TT's last zeal leaves BackHo's main.
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Backho losing probes, but he has 3 zealots still in TT's main, so he can use those. One cannon finishes, but I know he lost some probes before it finished
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Backho starting his gas. His last zealot is running around in TT's base, probably for scouting. It's in red health  Backho starting another cannon in his main
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TT's cyber core is mostly finished, and TT killed the pylon powering the 2 proxy gates. Backho in deep shit.
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TT starting a robo bay, backho starting his zealot speed building, whatever its called. Probably DT's
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TT still has 2 zeals attempting to hasass against 6 or so of TT's, TT has started mining gas again while BackHo has just thrown up his gas, backho giving up on his proxy and throwing down more cannons in his main. TT kills the pylon powering backho's proxy and then sends his zeals towards backho, who has thrown up more cannons and now a citadel. TT going robo.
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starting a gate in his main at the same time as templar archives. Make that 2 gates. Unfortunatly, it looks like TT is going obs first. Crap.
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TT building an observatory and finishing off backho's proxy, backho building 2 gates in his main since his proxy was taken out. TT heading back home.
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Unless I'm mistaken, backho going up to 4 gates. Goon range is researching.
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TT moved out with small zeal/goon army with an obs. A DT tries to run past it. It barely escapes, but now TT knows =(
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first DT comes out, but it runs into TT's whole army with an obs. It manages to slip away however and TT continues to send his troops towards backho what the fuck.
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Backho's DT is in the main! An obs is nearby htough, and it gets only a few probe kills.
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wow, fail by TT: he sent his next 2 goons and his obs to take out the DT killing a random spotter pylon and lets the next one into his main, where it got 7 kills and disrupted backho's mining before dying. Nat almost done for TT, but backho pushing out with many goons, and a reaver shows up just in time to force backho back.
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fuck, cant connect to stream to save my life
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Why did backho go cheese on TT, whose ONLY strength is his micro due to being a 2v2 player for the most part? TT has basically no chance in a long game.
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Backho's DT got a few more probe kills before it died. TT's natural almost complete. TT has reaver tech, and a shuttle is goign towards backho
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Skirmish in the middle! zeal/goon faces off against backho's pure goon, but TT's shuttle shows up with it's reaver and backho has to retreat. TT has another reaver out in his main. I'm pretty sure backho can't win this.
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TT moving a small army into backho's nat, snipes a probe that was ready to start a nexus (I assume)
BACKHO CATCHES TT'S SHUTTLE! KILLS SHUTTLE AND THE REAVER!! HE COULD BE STILL IN THIS!!
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wow, TT manages to fly a shuttle into backho's army and lose it with a reaver still inside. He dropped the other one, but it did NOTHING before dying.
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goon battle! despite backho's attempt to flank, he is still forced back.
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"It's like watching two idiots trying to eat jello with chopsticks"
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Backho fflanks TT's army (pretty badly though) and doesn't finish TT's army off. Backho has to retreat. Backho setting up his expo now, but TT's has been up for a few minutes now. Backho finally starting his robo
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Each person is camped out on a ridge with goons. TT has a forge by now, protected his nat with a cannon. Anotehr shuttle out from TT, I hope it gets sniped.
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wow, TT was setting up to take bottom right, but backho pyloned the nexus location.
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Hmmm if TT is so bad why did Khan set him as their team captain? 
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LOL FAILHO even the commentators are laughing
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TT brings in another shuttle, backho makes the terrible decision to engage and loses like a control group of goons in return for the shuttle, but not the reavers. TT pushes into backho's nat, and backho is forced to type out. Khan 1 OZ 0
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Each player trying to deny each other's third by sending probes to the top left and bottom right corner locations.
Meanwhile, TT moves into backho's army. He attacks upramp, but he has 2 reavers and a shuttle to backho's none. Backho forced to back off, but gets the shuttle. TT pushes him back into the nat
Backho GG's out
Lecaf 0 - 1 KHAN
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Because TT is actually good in 2v2.
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bet anytime is getting a laugh out of this
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Postgame analysis:
Backho tried to cheese. TT defended it. Backho then tried to rush DT's. TT had a robo with obs first. Lecaf fans made sad faces.
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On November 23 2008 14:29 whatusername wrote:Hmmm if TT is so bad why did Khan set him as their team captain?
Probably the oldest person..most responsible..leader qualities..etc. You dont have to be the best player to be the captain.
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Wow backho is so bad, it's amazing how I've come to the conclusion time and time again and every time it surprises me how bad he can be.
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On November 23 2008 14:32 mog87 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2008 14:29 whatusername wrote:Hmmm if TT is so bad why did Khan set him as their team captain? Probably the oldest person..most responsible..leader qualities..etc. You dont have to be the best player to be the captain.
zergboy is KTF's captain...
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On November 23 2008 14:29 whatusername wrote:Hmmm if TT is so bad why did Khan set him as their team captain?
Senority, excellent 2v2 player, and probably a pretty good strategist as Stork mentions him a bit in interviews as those who helped him.
Btw, as much as backho is an epic failure, he should NOT be losing to the likes of TT.
Edit: It would be hilarious if Khan could actually win this, and it's not THAT out of the question given FBH could very well take set 4 and the ace match. Lecaf's lack of top protoss just might fuck them out today.
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Next up:
HiYa will rape frozean so hard, he'll change his nick from 'cuteange' to 'bleeding_angel'
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On November 23 2008 14:33 iLoveKTF wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2008 14:32 Shikyo wrote:
Wow backho is so bad, it's amazing how I've come to the conclusion time and time again and every time it surprises me how bad he can be. zergboy is KTF's captain...
And that has what to do with.... what?
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Looks like the next game is about to start. HiYa is the the player who's ahead, and frozean is the player looking confused at why he's losing. (that's what'll happen in a few minutes anyway)
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On November 23 2008 14:35 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2008 14:33 iLoveKTF wrote:On November 23 2008 14:32 Shikyo wrote:
Wow backho is so bad, it's amazing how I've come to the conclusion time and time again and every time it surprises me how bad he can be. zergboy is KTF's captain... And that has what to do with.... what?
lol i quoted the wrong post. sorry. FIXED
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Game starting, HiYa in brown at the bottom right corner, Frozean in white at the top left corner.
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Cross positions on adromeda. I'd put down a liquibet point on this game going over 30 minutes if I could.
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Ugh, I need a countdown for Anytime's return from ACE.
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Frozean gets his gas before rax, I don't know if that's standard or not. HiYa 14cc's at his min only inside the base. He'll probably float it to the nat when he sees it's clear though.
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FPview shows that frozean is scouting. He starts going counterclockwise. HiYa starts scouting clockwise. It appears that frozean is sending out a second scout.
Frozean proxying a starport at the base at 3:00. He has 2 factorys, 1 witha machine shop.
HiYa didn't float his CC to the lowground. 2 facts from HiYa, and is starting a starport himself.
frozean's proxy port finishes, starts an addon.
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2 machine shops for frozean, both spinning. 1 vult out from frozean, and 2 marines. frozean starting to pump vults. Dropship is out at the proxy location.
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dropship loads up with 4 vults. Frozean tries to simultaneously break up the ramp, but both fail.
Frozean tries again, and losess his dropship but gets like 2 rines. HiYa has a wraith out. frozean now has a wraith, and his control tower is flashing. HiYa pressuring frozean's ramp.
I'm missing a ton, btw, I'm typing too slowly.
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Proxy armory from frozean. HiYa forces his way into frozean's base with 4 vultures, that have mines. They kill a bunch of SCV's, but frozean has wraiths countering huya's minline.
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vults in frozeans main get cleaned out, goliaths out from hiya force the wraiths to be more careful. 3 wraiths now, with quite a few drone kills between them.
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Wraiths go back into hiya's minline, and kill a few more SCV's HiYa starting his nat CC. A mine in frozeans base kills 2 goliaths (I think, the camera just caught the explosion)
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Frozean has a tank out, hiya's army moving towards frozean's base. A scan catches the wraiths, and kill all but one.
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Goliaths try to force their way up into frozean's main, but are denyed. frozean has a CC onplete in his main, ready to float down. frozean is also putting up a CC at top right.
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HiYa starting a CC at bottom left. Hiya has 3 factories, and I think frozean probably does too. The original proxy starport has lifted off, and moved from 3:00 to the top right base, where it made another control tower.
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On November 23 2008 14:41 iLoveKTF wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2008 14:35 Shikyo wrote:On November 23 2008 14:33 iLoveKTF wrote:On November 23 2008 14:32 Shikyo wrote:
Wow backho is so bad, it's amazing how I've come to the conclusion time and time again and every time it surprises me how bad he can be. zergboy is KTF's captain... And that has what to do with.... what? lol i quoted the wrong post. sorry. FIXED
np =)
Holy crap, cross positions TvT on Andromeda!? Luckily there's the other PL match...
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Hiya setting up a contain in from of frozean's nat. A mine still in frozean's base damages tanks. Take that, cuteangel. Frozean dropping an SCV at the top center island. Mines out the mineral, starts a CC, and then hiya drops there.
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GG hiya won. and those Lecaf jackets are ugly
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As far as I can tell, frozean is still on 2 factories, hiya moving up to like 4.
Hiya drops the highground at frozean's nat. His natural gast goes down, tanks are firing at each other, but I can't say who's winning the battle right now.
HiYa brings in more tank/goliath from the side, and frozean GG's out.
Lecaf 1 - 1 KHAN
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Frozean... I hope we'll get an awesome JD vs FBH ACE.
Does anyone know of a working stream? The Daum Sport ones don't load for some reason, YaoYuan only shows CJ vs MBC game for me, and DAUM player has unholy load-1min-play-1sec-lag. So if someone has some kind of a stream, or could tell me how to see a GOMTV stream if there is one, I'd be forever grateful.
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Fun fact: FrOzean is now tied for worst record in PL, and, oddly enough, it's not a tie with a T1 zerg!
Instead, it's a tie with MuMyung.
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Postgame analysis:
HiYa 14cc'ed on cross positions. Frozean's drop got scouted, and let 4 vults with mines into his main. Frozean hung around for a while tried to sneak mass expos in spite of having no map control, and eventually lost.
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On November 23 2008 15:00 Elyvilon wrote:
Fun fact: FrOzean is now tied for worst record in PL, and, oddly enough, it's not a tie with a T1 zerg!
Instead, it's a tie with MuMyung.
MuMyung is a T1 zerg in spirit.
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On November 23 2008 15:01 CDRdude wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2008 15:00 Elyvilon wrote:
Fun fact: FrOzean is now tied for worst record in PL, and, oddly enough, it's not a tie with a T1 zerg!
Instead, it's a tie with MuMyung. MuMyung is a T1 zerg in spirit.
MuMyung is in a T1Z-ness of his own.
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On November 23 2008 15:00 Elyvilon wrote:
Fun fact: FrOzean is now tied for worst record in PL, and, oddly enough, it's not a tie with a T1 zerg!
Instead, it's a tie with MuMyung.
I've always been pissed that Frozean was too inconsistent, but I didn't want him to start being consistently BAD...
Oddly enough, Frozean always seem to do okay in starleagues. He made it to the Ro8 in the MSL, and he's likely going to move to the Ro16 in GOM. He has the talent to at least be a .500 player in the PL. Yet he's crap so far.
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nice Ads about Anytime's return.
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Jaedong in teal at the top, an inferior weasel at the bottom in red.
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The pinnacle of greatness, the man, the legend, the legend killer, brilliantly sends his overlord in the right direction. With his superior map analysis skills, he knows that there is only one location where his infereior enemy can spawn. The other guy copying him.
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On November 23 2008 15:11 CDRdude wrote:
Jaedong in teal at the top, an inferior weasel at the bottom in red.
hahahaahaha nice
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On November 23 2008 14:57 iLoveKTF wrote:
GG hiya won. and those Lecaf jackets are ugly
I feel like redesigning the SK telecom jackets.... the bottom part are like piano keys to me
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The greatest zerg player in history makes a pool after his overlord. A nine pool fast lair for jaedong. JiHuyn, has a later pool, and is taking his nat. In his infinite wisdom (in zvz), jaedong will bring his righteous wrath down upon the heretical person who tries to do an econ build. In a zvz no less.
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The Handsome One's lair is finished, and is starting his spire. The weasel sends out a few lings, cravenly attempting to sneak into JD's base. The Legend killer, in his glorious brilliance sees this coming and blocks his ramp. He also has another hatch in his main. Jihyun's lair is complete, and is copying JD's brilliance and adding a spire of his own.
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Terrified of the the mutalisk master, jihyun is starting an evolution chamber. The glorious personification of the swarm has mutalisks out well before that KHAN guy. You know, the weasel/person hybrid, or soemthing.
In his immaculate control, the Great One sneaks zerglings past Jihyun's pitiful defense, and kills the spire.
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lol jihyun lost his spire
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With a superior air foce, and a good position on the ground, jaedong is poised to bend Jihyun over the booth and violate him.
His mutas kill a lot of jiyhun's dronew, and force them to flee to protection, in his nat.
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GG. boring game. as expected.
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With the eventual compltion of his spire, jiyun makes a flock of scourge, desperately trying to pretend competence. The Master of Zerg runs dozens of zerglings past Jihyun's meagre defense, into the main base of the inferior player. Jihyun GG's!
Lecaf 2 - 1 KHAN
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this is what happens when you put the best zerg in the word currently against someone who was never been good with 1v1 to begin with.
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Has any player won when they put their second hatch in their nat in ZvZ this season?
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come on firebathero. ace match go go
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On November 23 2008 15:24 CDRdude wrote:
The Dancer up against Lomo. I hope lomo wipes the floor with him.
What, you don't want to see an ace match?
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Well, if you put it that way, I'm not so sure. I hope Lecaf wins anyway.
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On air is awesome and MBCGame's commentators are awesome.
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yeah. Im so happy Kang Min improved in commentating. :D
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Is FBH engaged? I saw a ring on his left ring finger
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lomo top in green, FBH bottom in yellow.
Map is destination.
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Lomo in green at the top, the Dancing_Queen in pink in the changing room FBH in yellow at the bottom.
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Lomo sending out an early scout, checking around his base for proxy. I would check too, a worse player like FBH is likely to cheese him 
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lomo gets his scout into FBH's base, and manages to get a kill, both playing totally standard.
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Lomo's scout kills the SCV building FBH's rax. Epic fail from FBH.
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FBH proxying a second factory, and it seems lomo missed it.
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Lomo putting up an expo. Lomo at 1 fact, FBH at 2. None have addons yet.
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FBH GOING 2FAC, with 1 fac in base and 1 right outside. lomo going 1fac CC.
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Vults from FBH getting sent across to lomo's base. 2 vults for FBH kill 1 vult of lomo's and run up the ramp.
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3 vults inside Lomo's base, pulling a ton of SCV's off the line to defend.
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FBH with vults in lomo's main, LOMO FORCED TO PULL SCVS. FBH forced out for now, 3 vults hammering at lomo's unfinished CC.
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FBH is driven outside, and is shooting at lomo's CC, and starting his own nat. Tank out for lomo, and is starting second fact.
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FBH sneaks another vult inside, and it gets a kill or two before leaving. FBH landed his scouting rax at the top of the ramp, to block off access as much as he could. FBH has 3 facts now, 1 with addon, and his expo is complete. Siege is done for lomo, but this looks like FBH's game so far.
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FBH laying mines outside of lomo's nat. Another addon for FBH, and both of his machine shops spinning
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FBHs nat finishes as lomo forces him out with seige tanks. FBH finally gets a machine shop and upgrades mines. Now FBH has 2 shops spinning, presumably speed and seige.
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Lomo's expo is up at this point, and is trying tp push out past the bridges. The minefield stops him.
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lomo pushes across his bridges with 4 tanks, sloppily losing one to mines.
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FBH starting 2 more facts. Lomo starting 1 more. FBH moves in with vults on the tanks outside lomo's nat, but doesn't accomplish anything, and retreats.
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vults run in and snipe a heavily damaged tank, lomo going up to 3 facs to match FBH, but FBH has gone up to 5.
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Finally a scan from lomo, he cleans out his front door. FBH still has a macro advantage though, with a bunch more factories, last I checked.
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FBH at 6 factores, his earlier proxy one finally floaeted in. I think 3 of them have machine shops. Lomo starting his 4th or 5th.
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FBH on 5fac with 3 shops, lomo building his fifth fac and his third shop after clearing the mines around his front door and forcing FBHs vultures to run.
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Skirmish in the middle, lomo catches 2 of FBH's tanks off guard and kills them.
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FBH does a crappy seige and gets ambushed by lomo's army, losing 2 tanks. FBH taking his third at 4.
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Vults of lomo's trying to kill tanks with mines. After losing almost all his vults, lomo gets a nice mine that kills 2 tanks.
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FBH's third complete, vultures run in and ruin the day for the single SCV there. FBH moves in and cleans up.
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seige tanks face off and shoot each other, with FBH losing more than lomo. FBH starting a port, and lomo also gets his third running.
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Lomo taking advantage of the fact that some of FBH's units are out of position, seiges up across from FBH in the middle, and kills atank or two. Lomo has an armory, and his third at 10 is complete. The commentators had a starpot selected recently, but I don't know whose.
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FBh has a starport complete. Starts flashing without an addon. FBH moving along the left side, seiging up outside the bridges to lomo's third. FBH sneaks 3 vults in and starts killing SCV's.
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Lomo counters with sneaking 3 vults of his own into FBH's third. My stream freezes for a second. FBH has one wraith.
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FBH sneaks 3 vults into lomo's third after taking the highground above it and kills most of the SCVs there, but lomo retaliates by doing the same, including killing the SCV building FBHs fourth CC.
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FBH has 2 wraiths now, killing a tank. I have sound, but only a slideshow. FBH has a cuople goliaths out in the middle
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FBH has some goliaths in lomo's third. Lomo has no map comtrol, no SCV's mining at his third, and FBH is floating a CC to his fourth, probably at 3. Mine drag kills a lot of stuff, probalby lomo's
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both players have transitioned over to goliath/tank, FBH moving 3 gollies into lomo's third, shutting it down. He simultaneously wins a battle on the other side of the map, despite being on lowground.
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Mines kill off some of FBH's tanks, but lomo is still in bad shape.
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lomo flies away his third, FBH floats his fourth to 3 and starts a fifth at 8.
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lomo tries one last desperate attack, gets slaughtered, and taps out. FBH does a little twirl before bowing.
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firebathero is clutch. shame lomo gged before getting nuked
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Lomo's 3rd CC burns down. I get a sad face. FBH's science facility has an addon, but my stream froze before I could see what it was. I see a slideshow, but I hear GG. I can only assume it's Lomo.
Lecaf 2 - 2 KHAN
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Dang you Backho, this could've been 3-0.
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I can totally see fOrGG coming out for Lecaf. I have no idea who to expect from KHAN though. Stork and Jangbi are both really good vT, but have a set in 3 hours. I think the OP is probably right about JD as an ace pick for lecaf.
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On November 23 2008 15:50 CDRdude wrote:
Lomo's 3rd CC burns down. I get a sad face. FBH's science facility has an addon, but my stream froze before I could see what it was. I see a slideshow, but I hear GG. I can only assume it's Lomo.
Lecaf 2 - 2 KHAN
it was fbh putting down a covert ops
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firebathero will be ace im guessing
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oooohhh whoooo wiiiillll it be
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On November 23 2008 15:52 CDRdude wrote:
I can totally see fOrGG coming out for Lecaf. I have no idea who to expect from KHAN though. Stork and Jangbi are both really good vT, but have a set in 3 hours. I think the OP is probably right about JD as an ace pick for lecaf.
FBH will be ace. Both Jangbi and Stork and practicing for GOM, I assume. Which is why they're not playing
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wow Samsung might win something without Stork and Jangbi
that is fucking odd
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There's a good chance I will be unable to LR this, because my stream is pretty bad right now.
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HOOOLY FUCK PUSAN VS KWANRO IS SOOOOOSICK
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On November 23 2008 15:59 ._. wrote:
HOOOLY FUCK PUSAN VS KWANRO IS SOOOOOSICK
That's good, but if you spoil the results, I will hunt you down and kill you in the face.
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On November 23 2008 15:59 ._. wrote:
HOOOLY FUCK PUSAN VS KWANRO IS SOOOOOSICK
EVERYONE SHOULD GO WATCH IT
(even though it's pretty much over by now)
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wow super sexy ace match.
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ACE: JAEDONG VS FIREBATHEROOOO
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is it really their first match against each other?
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OHSHIT, DRAMATIC MUSIC, EMPTY BOOTHS!! WHO'S IT GONNA BE!!?
......Jaedong and FireBatHero!!!
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Wow,Jaedong for ace on a terran friendly map. This should be good. Go Jd,beat this dancer.
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Gooooo Firebathero! Dance the night away!
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The Hope of Zerg against the dancing weirdo. JD HWAITING!
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Can anybody live report? My stream is in no kind of shape to LR from.
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This match could be where Firebathero takes the powers of another Zerg king,
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Anyone got the VLC stream?
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"dance fucker dance, I never had a chance."
the song sums up how jaedong's gonna be after. GOGO FBH
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On November 23 2008 16:06 mog87 wrote:
This match could be where Firebathero takes the powers of another Zerg king,
Oh I hope so. :D
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lol, what a half-assed smile
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hahaha, girls went crazy over FBH's smile
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Oh snap!! I'm so excited~
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When was the last time FBH played a zerg? August.
When was the last time FBH won against a zerg? June.
Which zerg is he playing today? Jaedong.
GG.
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Gogogogo Jaedong! Hope for a GG, and guardians.
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sick, hoping for them live reports
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FBH at 6, Jaedong at 9
FBH GOING DOUBLE PROXY RAX
JAEDONG DOESNT SCOUT IT
....psyche
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On November 23 2008 16:11 Caller wrote:FBH at 6, Jaedong at 9 FBH GOING DOUBLE PROXY RAX JAEDONG DOESNT SCOUT IT ....psyche
map has corner positions
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On November 23 2008 16:12 Kentor wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2008 16:11 Caller wrote:FBH at 6, Jaedong at 9 FBH GOING DOUBLE PROXY RAX JAEDONG DOESNT SCOUT IT ....psyche map has corner positions
it was obvious lol
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On November 23 2008 16:10 soudo wrote:
When was the last time FBH played a zerg? August.
When was the last time FBH won against a zerg? June.
Which zerg is he playing today? Jaedong.
GG.
lol thats a complete misusage of statistics...Jaedong better win or hell end up in the abyss..probably not as long as savior was because of the ban on the crotch thrusts.
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Starting! Jaedong Yellow at 11, FBH brown at 2 on Harmony.
JD sends first OL in the right direction
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FBH walls in on top of his ramp while JD goes for a 12hatch.
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FBH going for a proxy factory!
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vs 3 hatch
PROXY FACT SCOUTED
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JD SCOUTS THE PROXY AND KILLS THE FIRST SCV BUILDING IT. 2 more sent to finish.
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MISPLACES LINGS AND VULT GETS OUT!
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JD attempts to snipe the first vult with 5 lings, but the vult slips out and kills off the lings and the factory lifts. FBH building his expansion.
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sunken/hydra den up for jd
fact just being lifted now
gets 1 drone kill before losing teh vult
making a vult INSIDE jd's base
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vult gets a few ling kills, but no drone kills
jd still trying to run by fbh's wall with ~12 lings, but can't get through
fact floating back to fbh's base
fbh taking his nat
mmf out
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FBH slips a pair of vults into the nat, but a sunk is there so he only gets one kill. He landed his fac inside JDs main, but some lings spotted it, however FBH got out a single vult before lifting his fac. vult didn't really do much though, FBH transitioning to standard by going up to 4 rax.
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40 LING FLANK
fbh loses his army
A FIREBAT HERO SAVES HIS NAT
even teh commentators say firebathero at that!
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lol terran is so imba : )
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LINGS FLANK FIRST MMF GROUP
WIPE IT OUT
GOING FOR THE KILL AT THE NAT
FIREBATHERO HAS A FIREBAT HERO SAVES THE DAY
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in other news, savior vs effort is starting
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FBH MOVES OUT WITH AN M&M GROUP AND GETS SURROUNDED, BUT JD SENDS HIS LINGS INTO FBH'S BASE WHERE HIS REINFORCEMENTS CLEAN UP. Mutas out, FBH just barely gets turrets up.
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mutas doing more damage than i've seen in a while
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the same firebathero is going to scout jd's 3rd at 7
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On November 23 2008 16:20 Vivi57 wrote:
in other news, savior vs saint is starting
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JDs mutas slip into FBHs main and get several rine and scv kills.
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All mutas die!
jaedong never gets to try the massive ling flank he was planning
lurks out
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FBH sends another firebat hero to JDs new expo at 7, temporarily shutting it down while killing all of JDs mutas.
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fbh gets a ton of kills at jd's nat!
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FBH GETS AN MNM GROUP INTO JDS NAT
KILLS THE ONLY SUNK, but lurks clean it up before it does any real damage.
JD starting hive.
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loses his first set of scourge
lets hope jd's scourge micro isn't as good as it usually is
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FBH moving out with ~2 control groups of infantry and 2 vessels, irradiating a couple lurks.
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Is that 1/2 for ups
LURKS DEMOLISH FBH'S MM
but jd can't get any vessel snipes
nydus at jd's 3rd
fbh taking his 3rd
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FBH attempts to push into JDs nat, but gets too impatient and attacks before lurks die from irradiate and loses many mnm. He's doing a good job of protecting vessels though.
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preparing to take out jd's 3rd and morphing 4th
PHYSICS LAB!?
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JD taking his fourth as 7's nat
FBH HAS A PHYSICS LAB.
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jd taking out his backdoor temple
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plague on fbh
but he avoids getting his vessels sniped AGAIN
has jd gotten any vessel snipes yet?
Yamoto researching!
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LOL FBH is researching yamoto gun.
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skirmish in the middle, FBH slaughters many lings, but gets his mnm plagued.
EDIT: And has also taken his minonly at some point which I missed.
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Battlecruisers out! 2 of em!
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bcs > lings!
has fbh lost any vessels really?
that's usually jaedong's strong point
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rines kill a defiler!
takes out jd's 4th!
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FBH taking a fourth, BCs clean up a raiding attempt, FBH takes down JDs fourth, but gets his vessels plagued.
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FBH is going to embarrass himself, hes going to lose his 3rd and have no econ for BCs.
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fbh's 3rd under heavy fire
but bcs snipe a defiler...
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JD forces FBHs minonly to lift.
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good reaction for jd
plagues bcs then swarms before it dies
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ultras out
and a MASSIVE scourge cloud
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FBH clears out JDs forces at his minonly, but gets a couple BCs plagued. his fourth is up and running as well.
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Intense night in Proleague today. O.O
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COWS OUT FOR JD
LIIKE 5 GET ANNIHILATED BY MNM AND BATTLECRUISERS
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On November 23 2008 16:33 Vivi57 wrote:
STILL no vessel kills
wtf u talking about? I have seen like 5 vessel kills this match
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LOL
bcs take out a nydus
ultras fail to do damage at fbh's 3rd
bcs killing everything in jd's main
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3 BCs clearing out JDs nat.
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bcs still working on jd's main
go to his nat and one dies to a spore
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apparently 1 of FBHs BATTLECRUISERs died, because now there's only 2 hammering at JDs main. FBH also has a large vessel cloud.
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oh wow, countering HARD on fbh's 3rd, taking out alot
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FBH takes out JDs fourth again, loses 1 and almost the second BC to a spore, JD countering FBHs minonly.
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JD GOING INTO FBHS NAT WHILE FBH GOES INTO JDs THIRD
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BOTH LOSE ALL THEIR MINING BASES
VESSELS PLAGUED
flood control is slowing down my lr
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FBHs fourth was taken down at some point, JD got troops into JDs main which were cleaned out, one BC hammering at JDs tech.
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OH GOD muta!
only kills one vessel though
lone bc hammering on defiler mound
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oh, and apparently another BC cleared out on of JDs expansion attempts.
EDIT: now 3 BCs just took out the defiler mount, with the den and spire already down. JD is going to lose to BATTLECRUISERS!
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fbh still has a few mining!
and vessels!
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i just tuned in, this so close.
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I can't help but think of FBH Savior game 1 on python...
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FUCKING DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE BC'S WHAT THE FUCK JAEDONG
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Sounds like a good game. Too bad that Daum Sports site fucking hates me. I'll have to watch it on Youtube later.
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he finds jd's expo attempt!
not making the same mistake as kwanro
JAEDONG SWEATING ALOT
fbh loses his only mining base, but BCS AND VESSELS!
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BOTH PLAYERS HAVE NO MINING
BATTLECRUISERS RAPING SHIT UP
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JD attempts to set up a third at 3, but it gets shut down, BCs killing JDs pool and ultra cavern.
YAMATO ON SPORE COLONIES.
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bcs are screwing him over
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oh man, Ex-Savior fanboys are going to start new threads about how Gay FBH is again
This is Savior vs FBH all over again.
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slow overlord army going to try to take out 6 bcs
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GG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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But the overlord army fails and jaedong gg's
FBH!!!!!!!
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Hahahahaha...Daum Sports starts working just in time for me to see Jaedong GG!
THANK YOU FBH!
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lol what was that hulk impression
poor jaedong he looks depressed
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JD has rebuilt the spire and is desperately trying to scourge BCs, GGs when he fails!
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GG FBH wins... nice game.
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wow that was pimp. How the hell did he pull that off
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On November 23 2008 16:38 Shikyo wrote:
I can't help but think of FBH Savior game 1 on python...
lol.. I remember hearing to Klazart's commentary for that game... "Imba terran.. thats all I could say, imba terran". LOL
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haha sounds like savior vs fbh game 5 MSL last year
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ANOTHER ZERG KING'S POWERS HAVE BEEN STOLEN...
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damn this daum slideshow is gay, i dont see the ceremony v_v
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wow, that was sick. Proxy Fac > SK Terran > SK Terran + Battlecruisers from FBH.
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this is the most baller tvz player out there hands down, witness the amazing.
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if only fbh's tvp was this good
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so from now on we spell pimp - f b h? i hate the guy but that was the balls
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Firebathero or Battlecruiserhero?
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If your going to put a zerg king into a slump, this is definitely the BO you should use.
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fbh is so gosu. that game was fucking intense.
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now Terrans on ICCUP will start using BattleCruisers.
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but its like
JD scouted the proxy rax but messed up,
JD made enough scourges to kill vessels but just kept missing
and then he was losing defilers all over the place before they even got into the action
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Hmmm.... if FBH can polish his TvP just a little bit more, he'll seriously kick ass. He's extremely creative and intelligent in TvZ and TvT, if he had good TvP... and WTF at this J-rock animepop music?!?! This is Korean starcraft, where's the crappy Nu-Metal??
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On November 23 2008 16:44 Fr33t wrote:
Oh come on, wtf was that
that good sir was game of the year
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It's not that jaedong kept missing with scourge.
fbh did an amazing job protecting them
Jaedong is the ONLY z I see now who can consistantly snipe vessels. He couldn't tonight though
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On November 23 2008 16:45 spydernoob wrote:that good sir was game of the year
geddouddahere!
if that was game of the year I'll eat my shoe.
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Wow, never saw BC as part of a build TvZ before. It must be a map thing, because I can't imagine such a freaking ridiculous build work.
Holy shit! Khan winning w/o both Stork and Jangbi... Backho needs to shoot himself for that failure against TT. This match should not have lasted to FBH.
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If only he didn't lose all those Mutas, he could have had more map control early on to prevent that.
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On November 23 2008 16:46 []p4NDemik[] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2008 16:45 spydernoob wrote:On November 23 2008 16:44 Fr33t wrote:
Oh come on, wtf was that that good sir was game of the year geddouddahere! if that was game of the year I'll eat my shoe.
That was the game of the year.
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someone bout to eat a shoe
not like fbh didnt do it before vs savior lolol
guy is nuts
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On November 23 2008 16:46 baubo wrote:
Wow, never saw BC as part of a build TvZ before.
Get used to it.
There are 1001 strategies Terrans can easily rape Zerg with.
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The OP predictions are pretty epic win. He just forgot that FailHo is as consistant as TheRock... wait.
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On November 23 2008 16:46 []p4NDemik[] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2008 16:45 spydernoob wrote:On November 23 2008 16:44 Fr33t wrote:
Oh come on, wtf was that that good sir was game of the year geddouddahere! if that was game of the year I'll eat my shoe.
eat your shoes
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from what i can recall, fbh's the only terran to really use bc's in tvz....he's such a baller
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Holy shit. I guess rooting for Samsung's awesome lineups does help o.O
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that was a good game, but nowhere near game of the year.
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this was all BackHo's fault. loosing to TT? cmon.
this wouldve been the same with the OGN vs KTF game where KTF placed Flash in the 4th set and they got nailed 3-0. Oz shoulve got this 3-0. Thank you BackHo.
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Jaedong threw away his lead when he showed poor muta control. Sucks Lecaf doesn't have any other reliable aces to take the load off Big Dong's shoulders.
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On November 23 2008 16:50 isbunk wrote:
that was a good game, but nowhere near game of the year.
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On November 23 2008 16:51 Instigata wrote:
Jaedong threw away his lead when he showed poor muta control. Sucks Lecaf doesn't have any other reliable aces to take the load of Big Dong's shoulders.
ARE YOU KIDDING THEY HAVE BACKHO
Well, they do have forGG and Hiya for terran aces, so JD isn't really pressured all the time.
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On November 23 2008 16:51 Instigata wrote:
Jaedong threw away his lead when he showed poor muta control. Sucks Lecaf doesn't have any other reliable aces to take the load off Big Dong's shoulders.
btw, no fOrGG today?
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On November 23 2008 16:49 Shikyo wrote:
The OP predictions are pretty epic win. He just forgot that FailHo is as consistant as TheRock... wait.
Thank you.
I still think BackHo was the favorite to win though, I have no idea why he decided to go double proxy gate.
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Im actually pretty suprised samsung actually pulled this off without their protoss aces. and TT winning? lol wtf.
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On November 23 2008 16:54 Elyvilon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2008 16:49 Shikyo wrote:
The OP predictions are pretty epic win. He just forgot that FailHo is as consistant as TheRock... wait. Thank you. I still think BackHo was the favorite to win though, I have no idea why he decided to go double proxy gate.
He's braindead. Mass zealots without obs vs Lurkers.
btw, Anytime backho plays I wish they still had some of their old protoss aces.
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On November 23 2008 16:53 iLoveKTF wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2008 16:51 Instigata wrote:
Jaedong threw away his lead when he showed poor muta control. Sucks Lecaf doesn't have any other reliable aces to take the load off Big Dong's shoulders. btw, no fOrGG today?
forgg hasnt been doing as well lately
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God. I still can't believe Samsung stumped Lecaf without using the Twin Cannon.
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I think oz was too afraid of forgg going up against stork in the ace match, so they played JD who has a better chances vs any khan ace.
I fear that this game may have greater implications for zerg players... JD has been the only consistant Z player pretty much this whole year (unquestionably the best zerg on earth), but the last 2 month he has really been slumping (usually really poor decision making blowing a huge lead). Is his era of dominance over? I hope not, but it seems imminent
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On November 23 2008 16:58 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2008 16:54 Elyvilon wrote:On November 23 2008 16:49 Shikyo wrote:
The OP predictions are pretty epic win. He just forgot that FailHo is as consistant as TheRock... wait. Thank you. I still think BackHo was the favorite to win though, I have no idea why he decided to go double proxy gate. He's braindead. Mass zealots without obs vs Lurkers. btw, Anytime backho plays I wish they still had some of their old protoss aces.
Oh i see what you did..
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On November 23 2008 17:03 Ideas wrote:
I think oz was too afraid of forgg going up against stork in the ace match, so they played JD who has a better chances vs any khan ace.
I'm pretty sure Stork and Jangbi wasn't even around. And seeing as how the Ace match is on Harmony, there was ZERO chance Khan was going to send anyone but FBH to the ace match. The reason ForGG did not play is because he's sucking lately, and he's an underdog to FBH's TvT anyway.
When TT won, I was certain that Khan had a good shot, because FBH is an S-level player vT and vZ. His lack of TvP game sense is the only thing stopping him from becoming an overall S-level player.
I fear that this game may have greater implications for zerg players... JD has been the only consistant Z player pretty much this whole year (unquestionably the best zerg on earth), but the last 2 month he has really been slumping (usually really poor decision making blowing a huge lead). Is his era of dominance over? I hope not, but it seems imminent
Losing to FBH on a severely terran-biased map is nothing to be concerned about. But JD's overall play recently has been problematic.
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On November 23 2008 16:53 iLoveKTF wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2008 16:51 Instigata wrote:
Jaedong threw away his lead when he showed poor muta control. Sucks Lecaf doesn't have any other reliable aces to take the load off Big Dong's shoulders. btw, no fOrGG today?
+ Show Spoiler +I guess Lecaf will be very catious before sending out Frogg after his epic fail in GomTV against SOo lol
I can't believe Jaedong lost. But after watching his game vs. Kal where he threw away a huuuge lead nothing can suprise me.
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I'm beginning to think that Oz is starting to regret treating Anytime like shit about now.
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So, anyone else starting to think that perhaps everything BackHo accomplished was only due to Anytime forcing him use builds that don't suck, and now he's just going to descend into a spiral of unwise 2-gate proxies, no/all goon vs. zerg, and 2-base carrier?
He'll hit Rock bottom when he ends up going fast reavers against pure muta.
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rofl at backho losing to tt. lololol.
this shouldve been 3:0 ;o
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On November 23 2008 16:38 Shikyo wrote:
I can't help but think of FBH Savior game 1 on python...
QFT. Let's hope this wasn't the drop for JD as well.
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On November 23 2008 18:35 Plutonium wrote:So, anyone else starting to think that perhaps everything BackHo accomplished was only due to Anytime forcing him use builds that don't suck, and now he's just going to descend into a spiral of unwise 2-gate proxies, no/all goon vs. zerg, and 2-base carrier? He'll hit Rock bottom when he ends up going fast reavers against pure muta.
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ERA of Robots is over---> Jaedong,ForGG etc. They become mediocre players. I hope it it will continue.
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On November 23 2008 22:04 simcar wrote:
ERA of Robots is over---> Jaedong,ForGG etc. They become mediocre players. I hope it it will continue.
Hi there clueless post.
In any case, lets hope that for the sake of Starcraft Jaedong finally gets pissed enough to go on another dominating streak. The state of Zerg right now is looking pretty grim without him and savior!
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Yes , my post was very clueless. But if see play of JD u can see that he is ROBOT. Doing the same thing again and again. That's why he is losing now. When MJY was dominant he played very differently in every game vs protoss,terran. 3 hatch ---> then he could play with 100 tactics.
But JD is using same tacktick in every game.Everybody knows how to counter this. See Sangho,Free,Kal ...etc
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Failho lol, god love watching that guy play.
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I think lecaf should give JD a break. At least from the Ace match
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ah can't find vod for anything $*$*#)(%
I want to see Jeadong gets whooped =(
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On November 23 2008 22:21 simcar wrote:
Yes , my post was very clueless. But if see play of JD u can see that he is ROBOT. Doing the same thing again and again. That's why he is losing now. When MJY was dominant he played very differently in every game vs protoss,terran. 3 hatch ---> then he could play with 100 tactics.
But JD is using same tacktick in every game.Everybody knows how to counter this. See Sangho,Free,Kal ...etc
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I'm a huge sAviOr fan and your post is completely wrong. Jaedong has way more variety in his builds/tactics than sAviOr did, and that is one of the things that makes him a really interesting Zerg to watch. sAviOr's appeal came in his absolute dominance against players that knew what was coming -- he rarely varied his 3 hatch greedy macro play and still crushed the opposition.
I think you are very confused.
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I don't think Jaedong plays like a robot he changes his style vs terran especially and toss sometimes . It is map dependant its not like you can do a diffrent style play when maps favours the more common ...
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What are you guys talking about BCs never used in TvZ they used to be used all the time look for nada games.
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FIREBATHEROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YAY!
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Jaedong uses the same opening over and over and over again and thats a fact,as did Savior but as you said they knew what was coming but still they couldnt counter his build. Savior was the real deal.
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aww.. come on, JD did nothing wrong, his BO was ok, his play was fine.. its just that FBH was too good. =P
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jaedong has this habit of playing a really great early and mid game but then falling apart as the game goes longer because of one bad mistake. against free it was not sniping free's observer at his base, letting free spot the greater spire and his drop timings. Against kal it was making all those lurkers instead of teching. Against fbh here it was going muta and then doing nothing with them instead of just expanding again after he had wiped out fbh's army with the ling surround.
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FBH Lecaf all kill! Haha. Or close . Good stuff, can't wait to see the Jaedong/FBH game
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On November 24 2008 02:12 coulthard[pR] wrote:
Jaedong uses the same opening over and over and over again and thats a fact,as did Savior but as you said they knew what was coming but still they couldnt counter his build. Savior was the real deal.
Just saying "thats a fact' doesnt actually make it a fact, haha.
Just off the top of my head I can think of his fast muta --> ultralisk strat vs Mind on Andromeda and fOrGG on Colosseum, his 2 hatch Muta vs Flash in the GOM TV finals, his pure muta double control group amazing harass vs Upmagic on Blue Storm, that hyper-agressive almost no drones (as part of his build, they werent killed or anything) muta/ling play vs Ruby on Blue Storm, his attempted drone drill rush vs Hwasin on Tau Cross (ended up going to a long game), his massive Sunk/Lurk/Spore - vs Kal Game 2 on Loki II, his prefectly timed hydra break vs Lucifer on Athena, his speedling runby vs Jangbi, and that pure muta game vs Much on Athena. Not to mention the zillions of ZvZ variations he has used in his domination of that matchup.
Also: Populared Spire for scourge to stop the Corsair harassment, and "infolings" (burrowed lings scattered around the map) to help maintain scouting ability when the protoss does reaver/sair
I dont get this retarded hate for JD. Its possible to like both sAviOr and JD, especially as a Zerg fan (or hell even as a fan of professional broodwar, becuase without good vZ matchup, the game loses part of its appeal)
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On November 24 2008 02:12 coulthard[pR] wrote:
Jaedong uses the same opening over and over and over again and thats a fact,as did Savior but as you said they knew what was coming but still they couldnt counter his build. Savior was the real deal.
this is the dumbest thing ever, no offence. Exept the Savior was the real deal. part.
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That was one of the best games of starcraft I've seen in a long time. Ace match too!! Man.. Jaedong is in trouble... did you see his face after that? Very savior-esque.
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Jaedong has been slumping for a while now, I knew he would lose after his zergling wallin failed with the vulture.
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haha that game was fantastic
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just watched the ace. great game indeed!
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Jaedong threw a lead there. Abit bad from his side, FBH played brilliant though. That + map is abit imbalanced TvZ i dont really think it was that unexpected.
Jaedong still has it imo. Use other map next time though^^
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Lol @ forgg being a robot..his timing is ridiculous..see games vs flash..jaedong (in msl) and recently vs stork game 2.
Oh and for Jaedong fans..the slump starts now...hes powers may be gone..hes gonna have to go back to Fortress of Solitude and beg Jor El to give him his powers back,
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I'd like to think this was the beginning of a new build a la the Fantasy build with valkyries. We never see battlecruisers outside of 40 minute long TvT games. Is there something FBH did that made it so effective, or did JD just completely choke? I don't know how single battlecruisers survived so long and did so much damage when they were in the middle of JD's base and had no protection.
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On November 23 2008 22:21 simcar wrote:
Yes , my post was very clueless. But if see play of JD u can see that he is ROBOT. Doing the same thing again and again. That's why he is losing now. When MJY was dominant he played very differently in every game vs protoss,terran. 3 hatch ---> then he could play with 100 tactics.
But JD is using same tacktick in every game.Everybody knows how to counter this. See Sangho,Free,Kal ...etc
You wouldn't happen to be fanofbest's alt would you?
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On November 24 2008 04:17 SimonB wrote:
I'd like to think this was the beginning of a new build a la the Fantasy build with valkyries. We never see battlecruisers outside of 40 minute long TvT games. Is there something FBH did that made it so effective, or did JD just completely choke? I don't know how single battlecruisers survived so long and did so much damage when they were in the middle of JD's base and had no protection.
I think it's due to the fact that it's hard to flank on this map because of the narrow chokes and corridors everywhere that allows terran to defend more easily than normal.
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FBH used a beautiful opening vs lomo, most people think he just proxied a fact but he timed his gas and rax in a way that it looked like he was 1 fact then take 2 off gas into CC build. Awesome. He deserves PR next month. top 5
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On November 24 2008 05:19 AnOth3rDAy wrote:
FBH used a beautiful opening vs lomo, most people think he just proxied a fact but he timed his gas and rax in a way that it looked like he was 1 fact then take 2 off gas into CC build. Awesome. He deserves PR next month. top 5
Top 5? Hell no. Top 10 there's a chance.
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United States13143 Posts
On November 24 2008 05:19 AnOth3rDAy wrote:
FBH used a beautiful opening vs lomo, most people think he just proxied a fact but he timed his gas and rax in a way that it looked like he was 1 fact then take 2 off gas into CC build. Awesome. He deserves PR next month. top 5
I agree that he deserves PR, but I think his TvP is still too shaky for top 5.
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United States47024 Posts
Stupid Jaedong, stop pwning my liquibets.
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i cant believe how much idiots are saying jaedong is slumping.... People loose sometimes even JD his play his still amazing and top notch, he barely lost it and was put at a disadvantage early on. GG, jd still has it.
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those were definitely tears mixed in that sweat.
i think jaedong lost the game when he didn't mutaharass the main. he must have thought there were turrents already there but there wasn't. he had like a ten second window to do a lot of damamge to FBH's economy but didn't take advantage of it.
it really does seem unfair that terran has so many options against zerg. zerg really needs to innovate to keep up, though i don't know if there's much room for innovation given zerg's limited units.
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Jaedong's zvz is soooo good.
Perfect game from him.
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Jaedongs response to the BCs was weird... no hydras, and then mass spore his natural? Really? Okkkay...I gues I can kind of see the fact it would take a lot of time to switch to hydra and they aren't all that effective against marines, but if you can't even stop 4 bcs..
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Lol, FBH is always making new friends. I felt sorry for JD, but you gotta give FBH that he knows how to win games in style.
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On November 24 2008 05:22 Avidkeystamper wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2008 05:19 AnOth3rDAy wrote:
FBH used a beautiful opening vs lomo, most people think he just proxied a fact but he timed his gas and rax in a way that it looked like he was 1 fact then take 2 off gas into CC build. Awesome. He deserves PR next month. top 5 Top 5? Hell no. Top 10 there's a chance.
His TvZ is very good
His TvT is very good
His TvP is GOOD! (he lost to bisu but its been vastly improved)
imo he should be ranked above Kal Fantasy Calm ForGG Savior and maybe some more who might make it into the 5-10 range of the PR.
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LIke hell Savior is gonna make top 10 in the PR. No offense but Savior is not top 10 material as of right now.
That was really brutal for Jaedong, i like how they just zoomed the camera in on his chin where you see sweat dropping. Jaedong is still #1 zerg though going through a mini mini slump
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On November 24 2008 06:55 AnOth3rDAy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2008 05:22 Avidkeystamper wrote:On November 24 2008 05:19 AnOth3rDAy wrote:
FBH used a beautiful opening vs lomo, most people think he just proxied a fact but he timed his gas and rax in a way that it looked like he was 1 fact then take 2 off gas into CC build. Awesome. He deserves PR next month. top 5 Top 5? Hell no. Top 10 there's a chance. His TvZ is very good His TvT is very good His TvP is GOOD! (he lost to bisu but its been vastly improved) imo he should be ranked above Kal Fantasy Calm ForGG Savior and maybe some more who might make it into the 5-10 range of the PR.
His TvZ is very good
His TvT is very good
His TvP is TERRIBLE.
He won five fucking games in his tvp, and then he got manhandled like a newb.
FIVE GAMES DOES NOT A GOOD PLAYER MAKE. NO MATTER HOW MUCH SOMEONE REPEATS IT.
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On November 24 2008 06:28 zer0das wrote:
Jaedongs response to the BCs was weird... no hydras, and then mass spore his natural? Really? Okkkay...I gues I can kind of see the fact it would take a lot of time to switch to hydra and they aren't all that effective against marines, but if you can't even stop 4 bcs..
Um.. If you didn't notice the entire time his econ was being harassed to the south by FBH's army. It's not like he can take a break and deal with these BCs that are merely harassing his main buildings. He's trying to take out FBH's min only and 3rd while defending his southern two bases and continually pump scourge to take out the vessels that he keeps failing at. I agree he didn't handle the situation that well, but my god he has 400 APM and he was profusely sweating. It isn't like he made the decision to die to BCs.. he was kinda busy.
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Blech, at least it was a good game. And no hard feelings except the idiots that say JD's slumping or he has no variation.
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On November 24 2008 07:32 Dazed_Spy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2008 06:55 AnOth3rDAy wrote:On November 24 2008 05:22 Avidkeystamper wrote:On November 24 2008 05:19 AnOth3rDAy wrote:
FBH used a beautiful opening vs lomo, most people think he just proxied a fact but he timed his gas and rax in a way that it looked like he was 1 fact then take 2 off gas into CC build. Awesome. He deserves PR next month. top 5 Top 5? Hell no. Top 10 there's a chance. His TvZ is very good His TvT is very good His TvP is GOOD! (he lost to bisu but its been vastly improved) imo he should be ranked above Kal Fantasy Calm ForGG Savior and maybe some more who might make it into the 5-10 range of the PR. His TvZ is very good His TvT is very good His TvP is TERRIBLE. He won five fucking games in his tvp, and then he got manhandled like a newb. FIVE GAMES DOES NOT A GOOD PLAYER MAKE. NO MATTER HOW MUCH SOMEONE REPEATS IT. It's not terrible, open your eyes. He recently beat Kal in TvP that lasted until late game. He just has problems in late game, but otherwise it's fine.
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On November 24 2008 08:49 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2008 07:32 Dazed_Spy wrote:On November 24 2008 06:55 AnOth3rDAy wrote:On November 24 2008 05:22 Avidkeystamper wrote:On November 24 2008 05:19 AnOth3rDAy wrote:
FBH used a beautiful opening vs lomo, most people think he just proxied a fact but he timed his gas and rax in a way that it looked like he was 1 fact then take 2 off gas into CC build. Awesome. He deserves PR next month. top 5 Top 5? Hell no. Top 10 there's a chance. His TvZ is very good His TvT is very good His TvP is GOOD! (he lost to bisu but its been vastly improved) imo he should be ranked above Kal Fantasy Calm ForGG Savior and maybe some more who might make it into the 5-10 range of the PR. His TvZ is very good His TvT is very good His TvP is TERRIBLE. He won five fucking games in his tvp, and then he got manhandled like a newb. FIVE GAMES DOES NOT A GOOD PLAYER MAKE. NO MATTER HOW MUCH SOMEONE REPEATS IT. It's not terrible, open your eyes. He recently beat Kal in TvP that lasted until late game. He just has problems in late game, but otherwise it's fine.
Yes, that's his only win against a competent protoss that didn't rely on a 2fact push. Did it? I didn't see the game.
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This was a really good game but not as good as SAvior vs FBH on Python. The latler was just insane and Savior played really incredibly well, I would say much better than Jaedong during this one.
Saying that, Jaedong did play well but this time he just got outplayed. That's all. And saying that Jaedong has no variations is just lol...
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Jaedong was getting shaken from the beginning of the game. FBH pretty much had control of the game from the very start.
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no shame in losing to fbh's TvZ its awesome.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On November 24 2008 08:49 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2008 07:32 Dazed_Spy wrote:On November 24 2008 06:55 AnOth3rDAy wrote:On November 24 2008 05:22 Avidkeystamper wrote:On November 24 2008 05:19 AnOth3rDAy wrote:
FBH used a beautiful opening vs lomo, most people think he just proxied a fact but he timed his gas and rax in a way that it looked like he was 1 fact then take 2 off gas into CC build. Awesome. He deserves PR next month. top 5 Top 5? Hell no. Top 10 there's a chance. His TvZ is very good His TvT is very good His TvP is GOOD! (he lost to bisu but its been vastly improved) imo he should be ranked above Kal Fantasy Calm ForGG Savior and maybe some more who might make it into the 5-10 range of the PR. His TvZ is very good His TvT is very good His TvP is TERRIBLE. He won five fucking games in his tvp, and then he got manhandled like a newb. FIVE GAMES DOES NOT A GOOD PLAYER MAKE. NO MATTER HOW MUCH SOMEONE REPEATS IT. It's not terrible, open your eyes. He recently beat Kal in TvP that lasted until late game. He just has problems in late game, but otherwise it's fine.
Hey now. I'm a huge, HUGE Firebathero fan, but that game was just plain ugly 
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On November 24 2008 07:32 Dazed_Spy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2008 06:55 AnOth3rDAy wrote:On November 24 2008 05:22 Avidkeystamper wrote:On November 24 2008 05:19 AnOth3rDAy wrote:
FBH used a beautiful opening vs lomo, most people think he just proxied a fact but he timed his gas and rax in a way that it looked like he was 1 fact then take 2 off gas into CC build. Awesome. He deserves PR next month. top 5 Top 5? Hell no. Top 10 there's a chance. His TvZ is very good His TvT is very good His TvP is GOOD! (he lost to bisu but its been vastly improved) imo he should be ranked above Kal Fantasy Calm ForGG Savior and maybe some more who might make it into the 5-10 range of the PR. His TvZ is very good His TvT is very good His TvP is TERRIBLE. He won five fucking games in his tvp, and then he got manhandled like a newb. FIVE GAMES DOES NOT A GOOD PLAYER MAKE. NO MATTER HOW MUCH SOMEONE REPEATS IT.
Would you put FBH as an underdog against any protoss outside Stork/Bisu/Free/Jangbi and maybe Kal?
FBH can beat mid-level tosses no problem now because he's good enough of an overall player to give himself and advantage going into the late game. And then just out-macro the other player. His shit doesn't work against the best tosses, but it's not terrible because it works against everyone else.
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On November 24 2008 13:58 baubo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2008 07:32 Dazed_Spy wrote:On November 24 2008 06:55 AnOth3rDAy wrote:On November 24 2008 05:22 Avidkeystamper wrote:On November 24 2008 05:19 AnOth3rDAy wrote:
FBH used a beautiful opening vs lomo, most people think he just proxied a fact but he timed his gas and rax in a way that it looked like he was 1 fact then take 2 off gas into CC build. Awesome. He deserves PR next month. top 5 Top 5? Hell no. Top 10 there's a chance. His TvZ is very good His TvT is very good His TvP is GOOD! (he lost to bisu but its been vastly improved) imo he should be ranked above Kal Fantasy Calm ForGG Savior and maybe some more who might make it into the 5-10 range of the PR. His TvZ is very good His TvT is very good His TvP is TERRIBLE. He won five fucking games in his tvp, and then he got manhandled like a newb. FIVE GAMES DOES NOT A GOOD PLAYER MAKE. NO MATTER HOW MUCH SOMEONE REPEATS IT. Would you put FBH as an underdog against any protoss outside Stork/Bisu/Free/Jangbi and maybe Kal? FBH can beat mid-level tosses no problem now because he's good enough of an overall player to give himself and advantage going into the late game. And then just out-macro the other player. His shit doesn't work against the best tosses, but it's not terrible because it works against everyone else.
I would put him as an underdog against any decent protoss, your list lacks Best and Pusan.
I would put him as an underdog against any protoss on the first page of ELO rankings. Except rock, but including Backho because he's decent PvP PvT.
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I wouldnt consider FBH's tvp that bad... Sure he will probably get beat up by top 7 toss players (including Anytime) on the ELO ranking, but 8-10 i would say 66-33 favor of toss, and outside of top 10 toss FBH should win against them.
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He's been doing well recently, thats all that matters.. i dont care if he was terrible 2 months ago. Anyway storks PvZ was terrible before and he still got top5 PR ...
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On November 24 2008 14:06 Avidkeystamper wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2008 13:58 baubo wrote:On November 24 2008 07:32 Dazed_Spy wrote:On November 24 2008 06:55 AnOth3rDAy wrote:On November 24 2008 05:22 Avidkeystamper wrote:On November 24 2008 05:19 AnOth3rDAy wrote:
FBH used a beautiful opening vs lomo, most people think he just proxied a fact but he timed his gas and rax in a way that it looked like he was 1 fact then take 2 off gas into CC build. Awesome. He deserves PR next month. top 5 Top 5? Hell no. Top 10 there's a chance. His TvZ is very good His TvT is very good His TvP is GOOD! (he lost to bisu but its been vastly improved) imo he should be ranked above Kal Fantasy Calm ForGG Savior and maybe some more who might make it into the 5-10 range of the PR. His TvZ is very good His TvT is very good His TvP is TERRIBLE. He won five fucking games in his tvp, and then he got manhandled like a newb. FIVE GAMES DOES NOT A GOOD PLAYER MAKE. NO MATTER HOW MUCH SOMEONE REPEATS IT. Would you put FBH as an underdog against any protoss outside Stork/Bisu/Free/Jangbi and maybe Kal? FBH can beat mid-level tosses no problem now because he's good enough of an overall player to give himself and advantage going into the late game. And then just out-macro the other player. His shit doesn't work against the best tosses, but it's not terrible because it works against everyone else. I would put him as an underdog against any decent protoss, your list lacks Best and Pusan. I would put him as an underdog against any protoss on the first page of ELO rankings. Except rock, but including Backho because he's decent PvP PvT.
My mistake for leaving off Best. I'm not sure about Pusan and Anytime though. I think FBH has a 50/50 shot against Pusan and favored against Anytime(mainly due to lack of practice). That's not a long list.
Basically, FBH is still screwed in the starleagues because in a Bo3/5 he'll meet a top protoss and get owned. But in the PLs, FBH can still wreck havoc because most of the good tosses are on T1 and his own team. Which is why Lecaf was screwed in the Ace match, as they have no counter to FBH.
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