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On October 25 2008 06:54 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2008 05:37 Baddieko wrote:
I agree that in most of his games carriers are used. But he is an all rounder whom knows how to apply many strategies well like the ht shuttle drop with arbiter. He can play straight macro or guerrilla tactics with creative BOs to win a game. For me, that is champion material. Its about time he takes an OSL. Take into account he was more consistent than bisu or saviour in the long term. Professionals would want a long career at the very top rather than a short one. Again, I'm not saying he isn't good or isn't a champion. I'm saying he's boring to watch because he doesn't play really different builds in that matchup. Saying he's an all-rounder is meaningless if he's not willing to play that many different builds against other S-class players. How does saying "oh he went 2-base carriers, but he COULD have gone arbiters" change the fact that he's doing the same damn thing again? Interesting players to watch come out of taking risks. Take Firebathero for example. He's very clearly not the best Terran in the world, but he's interesting to WATCH because he's willing to take risks like throwing himself into an all-Protoss group in MSL (well, that and his crotch dancing  ).
Umm yeah i watched Stork double gate proxy inside of Best's base on that last game, yeah not risky at all, and completely boring to watch......not. Stork can and has mixed it up.
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On October 25 2008 07:39 vnlegend wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2008 06:54 TheYango wrote:Again, I'm not saying he isn't good or isn't a champion. I'm saying he's boring to watch because he doesn't play really different builds in that matchup. Saying he's an all-rounder is meaningless if he's not willing to play that many different builds against other S-class players. How does saying "oh he went 2-base carriers, but he COULD have gone arbiters" change the fact that he's doing the same damn thing again? Interesting players to watch come out of taking risks. Take Firebathero for example. He's very clearly not the best Terran in the world, but he's interesting to WATCH because he's willing to take risks like throwing himself into an all-Protoss group in MSL (well, that and his crotch dancing ). This coming from a "his minerals never go below 500(?)" fan? Macro. That's all Best has... Stork has consistently been the PvT king for the past two years. He can, and has done everything in PvT that a Protoss can do, all you have to do is look back far enough. Now it's not his fault he's found a good, winning strategy and he's using it until people find a counter. Bisu, would then be super-boring because for months all he'd do is FE and sair-dt/reaver. Arbiters? Who are you to judge a progamer's decisions? Stork's carriers have raped many many Terrans. Why would I, or anyone, give up my best weapon? Can your buddy Best, or any other Protoss have such aggressive and deadly carrier harass? Nope. Would they use carriers more if they did? Of course, because purposely limiting yourself is stupid.
Exactly, i dont see any terrans giving up tanks and mech v toss, so y would stork give up his carriers. Hes shown hes adept and using the dark and light side of toss tech, sry he steam rolls terran with one strat. Ill make sure and get upset the next time I see mnm against a zerg (though kudos to fantasy for that impressive change-up) or mech v toss.
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I watched a few of Stork's last games vs Terran. He went proxy DTs into carriers, normal 2 gate stuff into expo into macro, reaver harrass into expo, whatever. I didn't see him use the same strategy twice, although I didn't watch that many games. But it's ridiculous to say he always does the same thing.
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United States10774 Posts
TheYango you either don't watch StarCraft or have no idea how the game works. Claiming that Stork plays with one style is RIDICULOUS. Give me a break.
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even if stork gets another silver hes still the shit in my eyes
but it would b soooooooooooooo nice for him to finally touch something other than silver
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On October 25 2008 09:14 gk_ender wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2008 06:54 TheYango wrote:On October 25 2008 05:37 Baddieko wrote:
I agree that in most of his games carriers are used. But he is an all rounder whom knows how to apply many strategies well like the ht shuttle drop with arbiter. He can play straight macro or guerrilla tactics with creative BOs to win a game. For me, that is champion material. Its about time he takes an OSL. Take into account he was more consistent than bisu or saviour in the long term. Professionals would want a long career at the very top rather than a short one. Again, I'm not saying he isn't good or isn't a champion. I'm saying he's boring to watch because he doesn't play really different builds in that matchup. Saying he's an all-rounder is meaningless if he's not willing to play that many different builds against other S-class players. How does saying "oh he went 2-base carriers, but he COULD have gone arbiters" change the fact that he's doing the same damn thing again? Interesting players to watch come out of taking risks. Take Firebathero for example. He's very clearly not the best Terran in the world, but he's interesting to WATCH because he's willing to take risks like throwing himself into an all-Protoss group in MSL (well, that and his crotch dancing ). Umm yeah i watched Stork double gate proxy inside of Best's base on that last game, yeah not risky at all, and completely boring to watch......not. Stork can and has mixed it up.
he's talking about PvT learn to fucking read
jesus christ this thread turned into a gigantic pile of morons
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On October 25 2008 06:54 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2008 05:37 Baddieko wrote:
I agree that in most of his games carriers are used. But he is an all rounder whom knows how to apply many strategies well like the ht shuttle drop with arbiter. He can play straight macro or guerrilla tactics with creative BOs to win a game. For me, that is champion material. Its about time he takes an OSL. Take into account he was more consistent than bisu or saviour in the long term. Professionals would want a long career at the very top rather than a short one. Again, I'm not saying he isn't good or isn't a champion. I'm saying he's boring to watch because he doesn't play really different builds in that matchup. Saying he's an all-rounder is meaningless if he's not willing to play that many different builds against other S-class players. How does saying "oh he went 2-base carriers, but he COULD have gone arbiters" change the fact that he's doing the same damn thing again? Interesting players to watch come out of taking risks. Take Firebathero for example. He's very clearly not the best Terran in the world, but he's interesting to WATCH because he's willing to take risks like throwing himself into an all-Protoss group in MSL (well, that and his crotch dancing ).
Are you crazy? Firebathero is INSANE TvZ and TvT, hes top5 in both those matchups, he just has to get his TvP strong too and he will be the second best terran after Flash, no doubt.
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if firebathero got his tvp up there hed be tied for like 2nd best terran with [sea]shield, though he doesnt seem to choke in starleagues, so I guess he would be 2nd best possibly? Theres also Midas as well, who has a similiar choking problem.
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United States10774 Posts
Hahaha oh man nothing feels better than Storky putting Best back in place.
The kid thought he knew PvP
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On October 25 2008 10:47 OneOther wrote:
Hahaha oh man nothing feels better than Storky putting Best back in place.
The kid thought he knew PvP
There's no need to rub it in.
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Its all part of Iloveoov's plan/revenge, train a terran to deny Stork the gold
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I don't understand how anyone can hate a player like Stork. He's been in some of the most entertaining and epic games of all time and he's added several from this tourney already. Props to Best though, this guy has a bright future ahead of him.
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why did you just edit out stork's gf link
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On October 25 2008 09:59 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2008 09:14 gk_ender wrote:On October 25 2008 06:54 TheYango wrote:On October 25 2008 05:37 Baddieko wrote:
I agree that in most of his games carriers are used. But he is an all rounder whom knows how to apply many strategies well like the ht shuttle drop with arbiter. He can play straight macro or guerrilla tactics with creative BOs to win a game. For me, that is champion material. Its about time he takes an OSL. Take into account he was more consistent than bisu or saviour in the long term. Professionals would want a long career at the very top rather than a short one. Again, I'm not saying he isn't good or isn't a champion. I'm saying he's boring to watch because he doesn't play really different builds in that matchup. Saying he's an all-rounder is meaningless if he's not willing to play that many different builds against other S-class players. How does saying "oh he went 2-base carriers, but he COULD have gone arbiters" change the fact that he's doing the same damn thing again? Interesting players to watch come out of taking risks. Take Firebathero for example. He's very clearly not the best Terran in the world, but he's interesting to WATCH because he's willing to take risks like throwing himself into an all-Protoss group in MSL (well, that and his crotch dancing ). Umm yeah i watched Stork double gate proxy inside of Best's base on that last game, yeah not risky at all, and completely boring to watch......not. Stork can and has mixed it up. he's talking about PvT learn to fucking read jesus christ this thread turned into a gigantic pile of morons
I thought this thread was based on PvP. I think people should be talking about PvP, instead of PvT. Yes, Stork has a safe, standard build for PvT that he uses often. However, he's a very dynamic and exciting player in PvP.
On October 25 2008 11:13 BanZu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2008 10:47 OneOther wrote:
Hahaha oh man nothing feels better than Storky putting Best back in place.
The kid thought he knew PvP There's no need to rub it in.
The commentators said it right. "The only reason why Best had such a great PvP record was because he never played many games against Stork."
Stork did put Best in his place. Stork beat Best in a bo3 and a bo5 now.
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On October 25 2008 11:54 WhatisProtoss wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2008 09:59 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On October 25 2008 09:14 gk_ender wrote:On October 25 2008 06:54 TheYango wrote:On October 25 2008 05:37 Baddieko wrote:
I agree that in most of his games carriers are used. But he is an all rounder whom knows how to apply many strategies well like the ht shuttle drop with arbiter. He can play straight macro or guerrilla tactics with creative BOs to win a game. For me, that is champion material. Its about time he takes an OSL. Take into account he was more consistent than bisu or saviour in the long term. Professionals would want a long career at the very top rather than a short one. Again, I'm not saying he isn't good or isn't a champion. I'm saying he's boring to watch because he doesn't play really different builds in that matchup. Saying he's an all-rounder is meaningless if he's not willing to play that many different builds against other S-class players. How does saying "oh he went 2-base carriers, but he COULD have gone arbiters" change the fact that he's doing the same damn thing again? Interesting players to watch come out of taking risks. Take Firebathero for example. He's very clearly not the best Terran in the world, but he's interesting to WATCH because he's willing to take risks like throwing himself into an all-Protoss group in MSL (well, that and his crotch dancing ). Umm yeah i watched Stork double gate proxy inside of Best's base on that last game, yeah not risky at all, and completely boring to watch......not. Stork can and has mixed it up. he's talking about PvT learn to fucking read jesus christ this thread turned into a gigantic pile of morons I thought this thread was based on PvP. I think people should be talking about PvP, instead of PvT. Yes, Stork has a safe, standard build for PvT that he uses often. However, he's a very dynamic and exciting player in PvP.
they r talking about how stork's pvt is "boring" since its a tvp finals....
in all honesty boring or not stork imo has the best pvt as of right now
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Korea (South)3086 Posts
Man I remember when Jangbi's PVT was thought to be almost unstoppable. His storms were absolutely insane.
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