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gk_ender
Profile Joined October 2008
United States717 Posts
October 25 2008 00:14 GMT
#1141
On October 25 2008 06:54 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2008 05:37 Baddieko wrote:
I agree that in most of his games carriers are used. But he is an all rounder whom knows how to apply many strategies well like the ht shuttle drop with arbiter. He can play straight macro or guerrilla tactics with creative BOs to win a game. For me, that is champion material. Its about time he takes an OSL. Take into account he was more consistent than bisu or saviour in the long term. Professionals would want a long career at the very top rather than a short one.


Again, I'm not saying he isn't good or isn't a champion. I'm saying he's boring to watch because he doesn't play really different builds in that matchup. Saying he's an all-rounder is meaningless if he's not willing to play that many different builds against other S-class players. How does saying "oh he went 2-base carriers, but he COULD have gone arbiters" change the fact that he's doing the same damn thing again?

Interesting players to watch come out of taking risks. Take Firebathero for example. He's very clearly not the best Terran in the world, but he's interesting to WATCH because he's willing to take risks like throwing himself into an all-Protoss group in MSL (well, that and his crotch dancing ).


Umm yeah i watched Stork double gate proxy inside of Best's base on that last game, yeah not risky at all, and completely boring to watch......not. Stork can and has mixed it up.
Taek Bang
gk_ender
Profile Joined October 2008
United States717 Posts
October 25 2008 00:20 GMT
#1142
On October 25 2008 07:39 vnlegend wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2008 06:54 TheYango wrote:
Again, I'm not saying he isn't good or isn't a champion. I'm saying he's boring to watch because he doesn't play really different builds in that matchup. Saying he's an all-rounder is meaningless if he's not willing to play that many different builds against other S-class players. How does saying "oh he went 2-base carriers, but he COULD have gone arbiters" change the fact that he's doing the same damn thing again?

Interesting players to watch come out of taking risks. Take Firebathero for example. He's very clearly not the best Terran in the world, but he's interesting to WATCH because he's willing to take risks like throwing himself into an all-Protoss group in MSL (well, that and his crotch dancing ).


This coming from a "his minerals never go below 500(?)" fan? Macro. That's all Best has...

Stork has consistently been the PvT king for the past two years. He can, and has done everything in PvT that a Protoss can do, all you have to do is look back far enough. Now it's not his fault he's found a good, winning strategy and he's using it until people find a counter. Bisu, would then be super-boring because for months all he'd do is FE and sair-dt/reaver.

Arbiters? Who are you to judge a progamer's decisions? Stork's carriers have raped many many Terrans. Why would I, or anyone, give up my best weapon? Can your buddy Best, or any other Protoss have such aggressive and deadly carrier harass? Nope. Would they use carriers more if they did? Of course, because purposely limiting yourself is stupid.


Exactly, i dont see any terrans giving up tanks and mech v toss, so y would stork give up his carriers. Hes shown hes adept and using the dark and light side of toss tech, sry he steam rolls terran with one strat. Ill make sure and get upset the next time I see mnm against a zerg (though kudos to fantasy for that impressive change-up) or mech v toss.
Taek Bang
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
October 25 2008 00:22 GMT
#1143
I watched a few of Stork's last games vs Terran. He went proxy DTs into carriers, normal 2 gate stuff into expo into macro, reaver harrass into expo, whatever. I didn't see him use the same strategy twice, although I didn't watch that many games. But it's ridiculous to say he always does the same thing.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
October 25 2008 00:34 GMT
#1144
TheYango you either don't watch StarCraft or have no idea how the game works. Claiming that Stork plays with one style is RIDICULOUS. Give me a break.
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
October 25 2008 00:56 GMT
#1145
even if stork gets another silver hes still the shit in my eyes

but it would b soooooooooooooo nice for him to finally touch something other than silver
Forever Young
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
October 25 2008 00:59 GMT
#1146
On October 25 2008 09:14 gk_ender wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2008 06:54 TheYango wrote:
On October 25 2008 05:37 Baddieko wrote:
I agree that in most of his games carriers are used. But he is an all rounder whom knows how to apply many strategies well like the ht shuttle drop with arbiter. He can play straight macro or guerrilla tactics with creative BOs to win a game. For me, that is champion material. Its about time he takes an OSL. Take into account he was more consistent than bisu or saviour in the long term. Professionals would want a long career at the very top rather than a short one.


Again, I'm not saying he isn't good or isn't a champion. I'm saying he's boring to watch because he doesn't play really different builds in that matchup. Saying he's an all-rounder is meaningless if he's not willing to play that many different builds against other S-class players. How does saying "oh he went 2-base carriers, but he COULD have gone arbiters" change the fact that he's doing the same damn thing again?

Interesting players to watch come out of taking risks. Take Firebathero for example. He's very clearly not the best Terran in the world, but he's interesting to WATCH because he's willing to take risks like throwing himself into an all-Protoss group in MSL (well, that and his crotch dancing ).


Umm yeah i watched Stork double gate proxy inside of Best's base on that last game, yeah not risky at all, and completely boring to watch......not. Stork can and has mixed it up.


he's talking about PvT learn to fucking read

jesus christ this thread turned into a gigantic pile of morons
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
October 25 2008 01:04 GMT
#1147
On October 25 2008 06:54 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2008 05:37 Baddieko wrote:
I agree that in most of his games carriers are used. But he is an all rounder whom knows how to apply many strategies well like the ht shuttle drop with arbiter. He can play straight macro or guerrilla tactics with creative BOs to win a game. For me, that is champion material. Its about time he takes an OSL. Take into account he was more consistent than bisu or saviour in the long term. Professionals would want a long career at the very top rather than a short one.


Again, I'm not saying he isn't good or isn't a champion. I'm saying he's boring to watch because he doesn't play really different builds in that matchup. Saying he's an all-rounder is meaningless if he's not willing to play that many different builds against other S-class players. How does saying "oh he went 2-base carriers, but he COULD have gone arbiters" change the fact that he's doing the same damn thing again?

Interesting players to watch come out of taking risks. Take Firebathero for example. He's very clearly not the best Terran in the world, but he's interesting to WATCH because he's willing to take risks like throwing himself into an all-Protoss group in MSL (well, that and his crotch dancing ).


Are you crazy? Firebathero is INSANE TvZ and TvT, hes top5 in both those matchups, he just has to get his TvP strong too and he will be the second best terran after Flash, no doubt.
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
mog87
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1586 Posts
October 25 2008 01:12 GMT
#1148
if firebathero got his tvp up there hed be tied for like 2nd best terran with [sea]shield, though he doesnt seem to choke in starleagues, so I guess he would be 2nd best possibly? Theres also Midas as well, who has a similiar choking problem.
ish0wstopper
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Korea (South)342 Posts
October 25 2008 01:40 GMT
#1149
damn
poor best
ish0wstopper effect
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
October 25 2008 01:47 GMT
#1150
Hahaha oh man nothing feels better than Storky putting Best back in place.
The kid thought he knew PvP
pindleskin
Profile Joined January 2008
New Zealand199 Posts
October 25 2008 01:47 GMT
#1151
hahaha disciple u king
BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
October 25 2008 02:13 GMT
#1152
On October 25 2008 10:47 OneOther wrote:
Hahaha oh man nothing feels better than Storky putting Best back in place.
The kid thought he knew PvP

There's no need to rub it in.
Sun Tzu once said, "Defiler becomes useless at the presences of a vessel."
NonConGuy
Profile Joined October 2008
United States416 Posts
October 25 2008 02:37 GMT
#1153
Its all part of Iloveoov's plan/revenge, train a terran to deny Stork the gold
marshmallow
Profile Joined May 2007
United States93 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-25 02:40:14
October 25 2008 02:39 GMT
#1154
I don't understand how anyone can hate a player like Stork. He's been in some of the most entertaining and epic games of all time and he's added several from this tourney already. Props to Best though, this guy has a bright future ahead of him.
Hokaaa
Profile Joined October 2008
Korea (South)13 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-25 02:49:27
October 25 2008 02:46 GMT
#1155
.
Proposal
Profile Joined December 2007
United States1310 Posts
October 25 2008 02:54 GMT
#1156
why did you just edit out stork's gf link
WhatisProtoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
Korea (South)2325 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-25 02:57:55
October 25 2008 02:54 GMT
#1157
On October 25 2008 09:59 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2008 09:14 gk_ender wrote:
On October 25 2008 06:54 TheYango wrote:
On October 25 2008 05:37 Baddieko wrote:
I agree that in most of his games carriers are used. But he is an all rounder whom knows how to apply many strategies well like the ht shuttle drop with arbiter. He can play straight macro or guerrilla tactics with creative BOs to win a game. For me, that is champion material. Its about time he takes an OSL. Take into account he was more consistent than bisu or saviour in the long term. Professionals would want a long career at the very top rather than a short one.


Again, I'm not saying he isn't good or isn't a champion. I'm saying he's boring to watch because he doesn't play really different builds in that matchup. Saying he's an all-rounder is meaningless if he's not willing to play that many different builds against other S-class players. How does saying "oh he went 2-base carriers, but he COULD have gone arbiters" change the fact that he's doing the same damn thing again?

Interesting players to watch come out of taking risks. Take Firebathero for example. He's very clearly not the best Terran in the world, but he's interesting to WATCH because he's willing to take risks like throwing himself into an all-Protoss group in MSL (well, that and his crotch dancing ).


Umm yeah i watched Stork double gate proxy inside of Best's base on that last game, yeah not risky at all, and completely boring to watch......not. Stork can and has mixed it up.


he's talking about PvT learn to fucking read

jesus christ this thread turned into a gigantic pile of morons

I thought this thread was based on PvP. I think people should be talking about PvP, instead of PvT. Yes, Stork has a safe, standard build for PvT that he uses often. However, he's a very dynamic and exciting player in PvP.

On October 25 2008 11:13 BanZu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2008 10:47 OneOther wrote:
Hahaha oh man nothing feels better than Storky putting Best back in place.
The kid thought he knew PvP

There's no need to rub it in.

The commentators said it right. "The only reason why Best had such a great PvP record was because he never played many games against Stork."

Stork did put Best in his place. Stork beat Best in a bo3 and a bo5 now.
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
October 25 2008 02:58 GMT
#1158
On October 25 2008 11:54 WhatisProtoss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2008 09:59 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
On October 25 2008 09:14 gk_ender wrote:
On October 25 2008 06:54 TheYango wrote:
On October 25 2008 05:37 Baddieko wrote:
I agree that in most of his games carriers are used. But he is an all rounder whom knows how to apply many strategies well like the ht shuttle drop with arbiter. He can play straight macro or guerrilla tactics with creative BOs to win a game. For me, that is champion material. Its about time he takes an OSL. Take into account he was more consistent than bisu or saviour in the long term. Professionals would want a long career at the very top rather than a short one.


Again, I'm not saying he isn't good or isn't a champion. I'm saying he's boring to watch because he doesn't play really different builds in that matchup. Saying he's an all-rounder is meaningless if he's not willing to play that many different builds against other S-class players. How does saying "oh he went 2-base carriers, but he COULD have gone arbiters" change the fact that he's doing the same damn thing again?

Interesting players to watch come out of taking risks. Take Firebathero for example. He's very clearly not the best Terran in the world, but he's interesting to WATCH because he's willing to take risks like throwing himself into an all-Protoss group in MSL (well, that and his crotch dancing ).


Umm yeah i watched Stork double gate proxy inside of Best's base on that last game, yeah not risky at all, and completely boring to watch......not. Stork can and has mixed it up.


he's talking about PvT learn to fucking read

jesus christ this thread turned into a gigantic pile of morons

I thought this thread was based on PvP. I think people should be talking about PvP, instead of PvT. Yes, Stork has a safe, standard build for PvT that he uses often. However, he's a very dynamic and exciting player in PvP.


they r talking about how stork's pvt is "boring" since its a tvp finals....

in all honesty boring or not stork imo has the best pvt as of right now
Forever Young
SilverskY
Profile Joined September 2008
Korea (South)3086 Posts
October 25 2008 03:08 GMT
#1159
Man I remember when Jangbi's PVT was thought to be almost unstoppable. His storms were absolutely insane.
Graphics
dinmsab
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Malaysia2246 Posts
October 25 2008 03:26 GMT
#1160
On October 25 2008 11:54 Proposal wrote:
why did you just edit out stork's gf link


http://gall.dcinside.com/list.php?id=starcraft&no=1926913
http://www.fomos.kr/gnuboard4/bbs/board.php?bo_table=esports_free&wr_id=781595

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