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bubblegumbo
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Taiwan1296 Posts
October 24 2008 21:31 GMT
#1121
Stork showed balls, creativity and amazing game sense this series, unlike many of the series where he had lost in the past by using mostly predictable strategies and strong mechanics.
Fantasy will not be able to come up with something crazy vs stork and make it work, it is TvP after all.

Time to unite the triple crown.
"I honestly think that whoever invented toilet paper is a genius. For man to survive, they need toilet paper!"- Nal_rA
o3.power91
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Bahrain5288 Posts
October 24 2008 21:32 GMT
#1122
Fakesteve - Sea
LastRomantic - Reach
OneOther - Stork?
LG)Sabbath
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Argentina3022 Posts
October 24 2008 21:36 GMT
#1123
On October 25 2008 04:57 Dealer wrote:
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On October 25 2008 04:52 Zalfor wrote:
fantasy is going to steam roll stork.

fantasy's TvP is supposed to be godly. (esp with practice partners like BEST and BISU)


Stork lose PvT? Right... 12 straight wins according to TLPD, about to be more after this final + MSL.

Not to mention Stork didnt look too scared when he disposed of fantasy in the group stage.

best lost and he had 15 straight wins before this, your point?
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NonConGuy
Profile Joined October 2008
United States416 Posts
October 24 2008 21:38 GMT
#1124
On October 25 2008 04:57 Dealer wrote:

Stork lose PvT? Right... 12 straight wins according to TLPD, about to be more after this final + MSL.

Not to mention Stork didnt look too scared when he disposed of fantasy in the group stage.


Well Best was on a 15 game win streak against protoss entering today according to TLPD, but that didnt matter to stork.

Im really happy for Stork for beating Best in a best of 5, but its not over for him yet. Fantasy has been looking really really good coming into the final. Stork is definitely a heavy favorite, but its the OSL, anything can happen.
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
October 24 2008 21:39 GMT
#1125
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Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
October 24 2008 21:47 GMT
#1126
On October 25 2008 06:36 LG)Sabbath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2008 04:57 Dealer wrote:
On October 25 2008 04:52 Zalfor wrote:
fantasy is going to steam roll stork.

fantasy's TvP is supposed to be godly. (esp with practice partners like BEST and BISU)


Stork lose PvT? Right... 12 straight wins according to TLPD, about to be more after this final + MSL.

Not to mention Stork didnt look too scared when he disposed of fantasy in the group stage.

best lost and he had 15 straight wins before this, your point?

point is stork was better than him at the matchup
stork's pvt>>>fantasy's tvp
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
October 24 2008 21:48 GMT
#1127
On October 25 2008 06:47 OneOther wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2008 06:36 LG)Sabbath wrote:
On October 25 2008 04:57 Dealer wrote:
On October 25 2008 04:52 Zalfor wrote:
fantasy is going to steam roll stork.

fantasy's TvP is supposed to be godly. (esp with practice partners like BEST and BISU)


Stork lose PvT? Right... 12 straight wins according to TLPD, about to be more after this final + MSL.

Not to mention Stork didnt look too scared when he disposed of fantasy in the group stage.

best lost and he had 15 straight wins before this, your point?

point is stork was better than him at the matchup
stork's pvt>>>fantasy's tvp

and still look what Boxer said about that
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
October 24 2008 21:52 GMT
#1128
On October 25 2008 06:48 disciple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2008 06:47 OneOther wrote:
On October 25 2008 06:36 LG)Sabbath wrote:
On October 25 2008 04:57 Dealer wrote:
On October 25 2008 04:52 Zalfor wrote:
fantasy is going to steam roll stork.

fantasy's TvP is supposed to be godly. (esp with practice partners like BEST and BISU)


Stork lose PvT? Right... 12 straight wins according to TLPD, about to be more after this final + MSL.

Not to mention Stork didnt look too scared when he disposed of fantasy in the group stage.

best lost and he had 15 straight wins before this, your point?

point is stork was better than him at the matchup
stork's pvt>>>fantasy's tvp

and still look what Boxer said about that


You should have made someone else hold that sign . Boxer predicted Savior Sea and Stork to be the next Bonjwas . So far only Savior agreed with TheEmperor's expectation .
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-24 21:55:39
October 24 2008 21:54 GMT
#1129
On October 25 2008 05:37 Baddieko wrote:
I agree that in most of his games carriers are used. But he is an all rounder whom knows how to apply many strategies well like the ht shuttle drop with arbiter. He can play straight macro or guerrilla tactics with creative BOs to win a game. For me, that is champion material. Its about time he takes an OSL. Take into account he was more consistent than bisu or saviour in the long term. Professionals would want a long career at the very top rather than a short one.


Again, I'm not saying he isn't good or isn't a champion. I'm saying he's boring to watch because he doesn't play really different builds in that matchup. Saying he's an all-rounder is meaningless if he's not willing to play that many different builds against other S-class players. How does saying "oh he went 2-base carriers, but he COULD have gone arbiters" change the fact that he's doing the same damn thing again?

Interesting players to watch come out of taking risks. Take Firebathero for example. He's very clearly not the best Terran in the world, but he's interesting to WATCH because he's willing to take risks like throwing himself into an all-Protoss group in MSL (well, that and his crotch dancing ).
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Darkmole
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States900 Posts
October 24 2008 22:06 GMT
#1130
well even though stork won his gonna get raped and have the most silver medalist ever o.o
Sigrun
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1654 Posts
October 24 2008 22:10 GMT
#1131
On October 25 2008 06:52 raga4ka wrote:
You should have made someone else hold that sign . Boxer predicted Savior Sea and Stork to be the next Bonjwas . So far only Savior agreed with TheEmperor's expectation .


He did not predict them to be bonjwa, he was asked to pick a player from each race that he saw with the most potential.
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Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8552 Posts
October 24 2008 22:33 GMT
#1132
On October 25 2008 02:55 EvilTeletubby wrote:
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On October 25 2008 02:43 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Yeah, but Jaedong's ZvT at the time was questionable, with only a series win over Hwasin in recent times. However, Stork is on a 14 win PvT.


And Best was on a 16 win streak PvP and look what happened.

PvT is more stable than PvP, many of the protosses best beat (not all of them) had really bad PvP. Not Stork.
Jaedong
Revolutionary
Profile Joined July 2008
Canada38 Posts
October 24 2008 22:37 GMT
#1133
Stork's play is so intelligent, flawless play in Games 3 and 4.
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8552 Posts
October 24 2008 22:37 GMT
#1134
On October 25 2008 06:54 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2008 05:37 Baddieko wrote:
I agree that in most of his games carriers are used. But he is an all rounder whom knows how to apply many strategies well like the ht shuttle drop with arbiter. He can play straight macro or guerrilla tactics with creative BOs to win a game. For me, that is champion material. Its about time he takes an OSL. Take into account he was more consistent than bisu or saviour in the long term. Professionals would want a long career at the very top rather than a short one.


Again, I'm not saying he isn't good or isn't a champion. I'm saying he's boring to watch because he doesn't play really different builds in that matchup. Saying he's an all-rounder is meaningless if he's not willing to play that many different builds against other S-class players. How does saying "oh he went 2-base carriers, but he COULD have gone arbiters" change the fact that he's doing the same damn thing again?

Interesting players to watch come out of taking risks. Take Firebathero for example. He's very clearly not the best Terran in the world, but he's interesting to WATCH because he's willing to take risks like throwing himself into an all-Protoss group in MSL (well, that and his crotch dancing ).

Would you say Best has boring by your definition of boring PvT if he won the series? Just curious. (The answer is yes).
Jaedong
vnlegend
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1389 Posts
October 24 2008 22:39 GMT
#1135
On October 25 2008 06:54 TheYango wrote:
Again, I'm not saying he isn't good or isn't a champion. I'm saying he's boring to watch because he doesn't play really different builds in that matchup. Saying he's an all-rounder is meaningless if he's not willing to play that many different builds against other S-class players. How does saying "oh he went 2-base carriers, but he COULD have gone arbiters" change the fact that he's doing the same damn thing again?

Interesting players to watch come out of taking risks. Take Firebathero for example. He's very clearly not the best Terran in the world, but he's interesting to WATCH because he's willing to take risks like throwing himself into an all-Protoss group in MSL (well, that and his crotch dancing ).


This coming from a "his minerals never go below 500(?)" fan? Macro. That's all Best has...

Stork has consistently been the PvT king for the past two years. He can, and has done everything in PvT that a Protoss can do, all you have to do is look back far enough. Now it's not his fault he's found a good, winning strategy and he's using it until people find a counter. Bisu, would then be super-boring because for months all he'd do is FE and sair-dt/reaver.

Arbiters? Who are you to judge a progamer's decisions? Stork's carriers have raped many many Terrans. Why would I, or anyone, give up my best weapon? Can your buddy Best, or any other Protoss have such aggressive and deadly carrier harass? Nope. Would they use carriers more if they did? Of course, because purposely limiting yourself is stupid.

Looks like the Best bandwagoners have jumped over to Fantasy's camp. So now an unaccomplished Terran is the favorite against the last 2 years' PvT master. What next? Tossgirl and Pokju become favored against Jaedong? lol...
Marines > everything
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
October 24 2008 22:41 GMT
#1136
But the fact is that :
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Railz
Profile Joined July 2008
United States1449 Posts
October 24 2008 22:43 GMT
#1137
On October 25 2008 07:39 vnlegend wrote:


Looks like the Best bandwagoners have jumped over to Fantasy's camp. So now an unaccomplished Terran is the favorite against the last 2 years' PvT master. What next? Tossgirl and Pokju become favored against Jaedong? lol...


Uh no, most of us were for Fantasy. The best fanboys just want revenge on stork and/or are stk1 fans. Fantasy isn't the favorite, not by a long shot, but underdogs need supporters!
Did the whole world just get a lot smaller and go whooosh?_-` Number 0ne By.Fantasy Fanatic!
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
October 24 2008 22:50 GMT
#1138
And you have to remember that although stork went into a semi-slump after Flash beat him, his PvT after Flash owned him has been 17-3.
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tKd_
Profile Joined February 2005
United States2916 Posts
October 24 2008 23:10 GMT
#1139
how bad would it be if stork lost to fantasy. tho its expected, i would feel so bad
Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
October 24 2008 23:40 GMT
#1140
flash 3-0'd stork, fantasy might walk royal road. if he doesnt. fakeyellow will come up on top... wow and win gold LOL.
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