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RamenStyle
Profile Joined September 2004
United States1929 Posts
October 24 2008 17:33 GMT
#1081
After the first game, for a moment I thought BeSt's PvP really might be far better than any other player, even Stork, but I guess things were put where they belong.

Btw, I don't think Stork will choke this time. Not against Fantasy. Fantasy likes to do fancy creative things in order to break balance in his opponent game plan, but Stork is the most conservative, defensively solid protoss in the scene right now.
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
October 24 2008 17:33 GMT
#1082
oh my god

Stork deserves this title now. As much as I still hate him, beating BeSt in a PvP series is amazing. No clue how the games went but taking down an 80% player is beyond belief and truly shows himself as title worthy.
Titusmaster6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5937 Posts
October 24 2008 17:35 GMT
#1083
Awesome news to wake up to! and I even predicted the score! Stork is my man. I know some people hate him and think he is worthless because he's always the bridesmaid never the bride but he is so consistent in my mind. I truly believe he will finally be able to add a gold to all that silver. And now is the best time for Stork to win, because if he is afraid of one man, it's fucking Savior, and since we all know 2009 is coming up, its now or never for the bird.
Shorts down shorts up, BOOM, just like that.
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-24 17:37:32
October 24 2008 17:35 GMT
#1084
On October 25 2008 01:13 BlackStar wrote:
Stork never choked. Bisu, Jaedong and Flash all were just better than he was.

But they all proved to be inconsistent in the long run while Stork is stronger than ever. He basically has this unless he actually chokes for the first time. Or unless Fantasy suddenly surprises big time.


Well i have to agree to one point . Bisu wasn't better then stork they were both equal as the series was so close but Bisu prevailed and i think Stork never choked there. I agree that Jaedong was better then Stork in Ever OSL . But i think he choked vs Flash in Bachhus OSL . in GSI he was doing great even thought Flash won . in Bachhus OSL i think he choked because he didn't find a counter to the Flash build vs Carriers and played some crazy eco build and Flash rushed him in all games .
Samurai-
Profile Joined May 2008
Slovenia2035 Posts
October 24 2008 17:41 GMT
#1085
always the same, they said for forGG, he will loose for sure..
we are here now, fantasy has no chance they say..

this is final, people are not here because they suck... fantasy is best againt Protoss imo, so its a really hard call..
One ring, to rule them all!
BreaK
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada890 Posts
October 24 2008 17:42 GMT
#1086
BWAHAHAHA. WHO'S YOUR PvP GOD NOW!?!

(I really want fantasy to win.)
formerly ClouD.BreaK ~ gogo KTF! & Liquid!
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
October 24 2008 17:43 GMT
#1087
Yeah, but Jaedong's ZvT at the time was questionable, with only a series win over Hwasin in recent times. However, Stork is on a 14 win PvT.
Jaedong
Triock
Profile Joined March 2008
Sweden14 Posts
October 24 2008 17:47 GMT
#1088
Stork is looking really strong right now. 12 wins in a row vs Terran according to TLPD and somehow I don't think that fantasy is the guy to stop him (unless he finds another magical build order)

Stork is also my favorite to win the MSL + Show Spoiler +
now that Yarnac is the only zerg left.


Unless his curse strikes again ofc...
brjdrb
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States577 Posts
October 24 2008 17:50 GMT
#1089
On October 25 2008 02:41 Samurai- wrote:
always the same, they said for forGG, he will loose for sure..
we are here now, fantasy has no chance they say..

this is final, people are not here because they suck... fantasy is best againt Protoss imo, so its a really hard call..


best against protoss? wtf are you talking about? his tvp isn't terrible, but it's nothing special. his tvt is by far his best mu....
Stork's biggest fan
EvilTeletubby
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
October 24 2008 17:55 GMT
#1090
On October 25 2008 02:43 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Yeah, but Jaedong's ZvT at the time was questionable, with only a series win over Hwasin in recent times. However, Stork is on a 14 win PvT.


And Best was on a 16 win streak PvP and look what happened.
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raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-24 18:13:56
October 24 2008 18:08 GMT
#1091
On October 25 2008 02:41 Samurai- wrote:
always the same, they said for forGG, he will loose for sure..
we are here now, fantasy has no chance they say..

this is final, people are not here because they suck... fantasy is best againt Protoss imo, so its a really hard call..


ForGG has the teammate advantage he plays Jaedong nearly every damn day i wouldn't be surpised if he models his TvZ to counter Jaedong's play - some crazy macro play that Jaedong struggles to overcome . He could even be better at the Lecaf house then him and the maps favoured terran ...

Fantasy on the other hand has nothing . He tryed to cheese him in the groups and failed . He has some impresive wins vs toss that are not even S - class but so did Best . Stork has far more experience then him . It wouldn't be logical if he losses unless his choke gap reaches the next level or him haveing a heart attack . Maps are going to be a factor they are somewhat new here .
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-24 18:15:53
October 24 2008 18:12 GMT
#1092
On October 25 2008 02:55 EvilTeletubby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2008 02:43 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Yeah, but Jaedong's ZvT at the time was questionable, with only a series win over Hwasin in recent times. However, Stork is on a 14 win PvT.


And Best was on a 16 win streak PvP and look what happened.


This speaks more for Stork beating Fantasy then vice versa

He is in a helluva solid state right now i don't think that some wimp will brake it .
SonuvBob
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Aiur21550 Posts
October 24 2008 18:16 GMT
#1093
On October 25 2008 00:31 Random_0 wrote:
I really like Best. But he did choke in that series.

Game 2 was a build order loss: Stork's 4-gate goon strategy was really strong and took advantage of Best's predictable tech order. But rather than get mad, Best looked miserable after this game. Even during the games, every time Stork landed *another* crazy reaver scarab, Best looked like he wanted to curl up in a corner and cry.

By the time Stork did the 2-gate build inside Best's main in game 4, I thought Best was absolutely cooked. It seemed like Best's mechanics broke down, and he picked a very poor time to engage Stork in the middle of Plasma.

Well, I haven't thrown Best under the bus... yet. But, from my vantage point, Stork came through in the clutch and Best choked.

Stork came pretty close to choking, he made a lot of stupid mistakes in games 1 and 3 and looked really nervous.

In game 2 Stork denied Best's scout while getting a good look himself, it wasn't just a blind build order win. The early game harass combined with scout denial kinda forced his hand, too (I'm not sure if Best saw the lack of an exp, probably not)

Game 4 was over long before they engaged, Stork had really hurt Best's economy (then again, Best's big army micro was a lot better than Stork in the previous games, so maybe he had a chance).
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Fwmeh
Profile Joined April 2008
1286 Posts
October 24 2008 18:22 GMT
#1094
On October 25 2008 02:55 EvilTeletubby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2008 02:43 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Yeah, but Jaedong's ZvT at the time was questionable, with only a series win over Hwasin in recent times. However, Stork is on a 14 win PvT.


And Best was on a 16 win streak PvP and look what happened.

^^

Stork was considered on par or just below Best in PvP before this series. The two best in the world. Stork is up right there with his PvT as well, can you say the same about Fantasy's TvP? Best or second best in the world right now?

If this was anything other than a final, do you think Fantasy would take even 1 game of Stork?
A parser for things is a function from strings to lists of pairs of things and strings
moebius_string
Profile Joined December 2007
United States264 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-24 18:50:08
October 24 2008 18:29 GMT
#1095
Those lucky scarabs in the third set must have been divine intervention from the Starcraft Gods. After that, Best was demoralized.

Should of known Best lost this from the beginning of the first set, when I saw Best exhibiting his trademark Preparation H squirming in his seat and fidgeting with his hair. Last time I saw this was when he choked vs July in the OSL. Must remember if Best needs Preparation H, he will choke.

I wonder how this loss will affect his match vs Much in Pro League?

DISCLAIMER: These comments are made in fun.
FBH is insurance.
moebius_string
Profile Joined December 2007
United States264 Posts
October 24 2008 18:31 GMT
#1096
On October 24 2008 20:26 IntoTheWow wrote:
So I asked fantasy what place stork was going to finish


[image loading]


LOL!
FBH is insurance.
Baddieko
Profile Joined October 2008
Singapore855 Posts
October 24 2008 18:36 GMT
#1097
Hmm, i think fantasy hardly gets a chance considering stork is much more experienced in terms of final appearances but he will practice with bisu and best for his BOs. Unless stork lost his nerve and goes down against unorthodox builds, i don't see an upset here. Fantasy is no jaedong or flash in terms of consistency, micro and macro although he advanced mostly through rare BOs. Probably stork would go carriers in every game again while searching for barracks at the start(fantasy done that earlier in the group stages). Stork is a monster! The fact that he rarely loses to players below him in kespa with one of the lowest average APM(250~300 if i am not wrong) shows his brainwork and strategy. Go and show protoss is not the weakest race in kespa!
fanofbest
Profile Joined August 2008
United States145 Posts
October 24 2008 18:55 GMT
#1098
lack of bo5 experience costed Best OSL finals
Best[hyo] ftw
Piy
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Scotland3152 Posts
October 24 2008 18:58 GMT
#1099
gah 5 in a row for stork, I feel bad. Although maybe he'll take fantasy.......
My. Copy. Is. Here.
DarkSider
Profile Joined June 2008
Romania66 Posts
October 24 2008 18:58 GMT
#1100
On October 25 2008 02:35 Titusmaster6 wrote:
And now is the best time for Stork to win, because if he is afraid of one man, it's fucking Savior, and since we all know 2009 is coming up, its now or never for the bird.


Wahahaha :D

STORK POWER baby !!!
No way he looses this final :D
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