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On August 06 2008 11:54 Tinithor wrote: He almost beat ForGG and i'd say ForGG's TvP is better than Flash.
ForGG dominated Kal. I would say that Flash's and ForGG's styles are really different. ForGG wasn't very penetrable during his MSL games while Flash has shown to be very, very in adaptable and venerable to Kal's super harass style. See Flash versus Best and Flash versus Hero.
On August 06 2008 11:54 Tinithor wrote: He almost beat ForGG and i'd say ForGG's TvP is better than Flash.
ForGG dominated Kal. I would say that Flash's and ForGG's styles are really different. ForGG wasn't very penetrable during his MSL games while Flash has shown to be very, very in adaptable and venerable to Kal's super harass style. See Flash versus Best and Flash versus Hero.
Yeah...3-2....the domination!!!
Flash hasn't been adaptable lately, hence 3-1 loss to forgg. 14 cc gogo
Kal played in a very 'odd' style in that Bo5 against Forgg, because he knew he would lose to Forgg's TvP straight up. Flash is generally better against that style than Forgg was known to be before that Bo5, but if his play isn't strong Kal can cause all sorts of pain.
looks like lurkers, iirc hyuk used a 2 hatch lurker -> expand again build so that lurker spines could beused to break the lurker eggs and apply pressure.
lurkers arrive, trying to force theri way up the main ramp, only zealot there, zealot buying some time butttttt no avail, 2 lurkers push up the ramp!!!
cannon warping, nope, in range, cannon going down.
when will observer arrive, observer is indeed out now, 1 lurker already has 11 kills, the other has 4, kal finally clearing it out and resuming mining, so he's lost 15 probes and a lot of mining gimte.
effort now on 4 bases. also took the gas nat at 7. he's making double evos i think.
kal with a speedshuttle with 2 zeal 1 reaver, both player have everything at the egg wall b/w kal's main and the center.
kal sends 3 slowzeals to the 7 nat, and is killing the hatch, effor is sliding drones and delaying, with hydra support coming, hatch lives with 120 hp.
deifler mound up, and now kal is moving thoruhg the middl with a goon ht heavy army.
lol shuttle tries to ht drop again, and effort reacts beautifcally at the min only, adn at the main, shuttle gets scourged, 2 ht drop but no energy, they merge.
same shuttle moves to effort's main, drones dodge and the shuttel gets scourged before anythign is dropped
kal pressing effort's 7 nat again, and OH GOD storm on lurker eggs, 2nd storm as they are finishes, and the lurkers vanish as they come out, like 5 lurkers die for effort.
ultra cavern now done, defiler mound isnt... making a defiler.
crax and 4 hydras go into the 5 ramped expo of kal, bu tht ecrax are just killing probes rather than kill the nexus, it does manage to kill like 10 probes before being cleared by kal's army.
kal ht dropped effort's... where i sthat? min only? but archon morphing nad only 1 kill shown on it.
kal should have played more defensively, if he had used that first big army to secure the center high ground gasses he woulda had a way better chance. sticking to 2 gas that long is so risky and theres no real way for zerg to attack those expos if toss gets them established with cannon/reaver/temp.
yea, i can imagine pvz evolving more towards what you've described idra, in the same manner that PL games stagnate as more 'safe' and 'standard' game flows become established with time
Too bad though, b/c games might be less exciting as a result.
On August 06 2008 20:15 IdrA wrote: well that style isnt as strong on other maps with expos that are harder to defend, but tiny high ground expos with 1 unit wide ramps just beg for it.
kal cant find effort on first try, so forge first.
O_O wow kal double scouted with a 2nd probe towards 5 to find effort faster, prolly has to do with long distances and if he scouts a 9 pool last it causes some issues.
omg kal kills a drone with probe.
2nd scouting probe preventing 3rd hatch at 3rd expo from going down, effort extractor -> cancels to regain hp and fihgt probe -> lay hatch.
effort morphing sunks. kal moving out with 5 zeals, giong up to 4 gates.
zeals come into effort's nat and kill 1 sunk morphing in but like 12 speedlings pop, surround, and murker the zeals. zeals with 0 attack upgrade. 4 lurkers morphign at nat, and a dt is incoming, ah so the zeals focusing on sunk was induced by that, so dt would hav ethe chance to slip by, but effort blocks with drone and loses 2 drones but buys time for 1 hydra to kill dt after sunk finishes remorphing.
effort setting up a lurker hydra ling defense above the wide ramp at his nat, to protect all 3 bases, now moving forward with everything, kal backing up as lurkers burrow. supplies are 130 for kal, 110 for effort, as effrot snipes 2 more hts at the expense of a few mutas.
armies clashing in the middle hhyras lurker vs zeal temp goon archone, lurker all die to goon storm, ok wow that's liek 15 goons and the archones are dead, no zeals, now effort pushing kal back with lings and hhydras.
kal throws nice storms but damn efforts units are so sharp they dodge the storms pretty well even at teh worst conditions.
defiler mound coming in, there's 3 evos btw. effort sets upa few lurkers above ramp, then sends everything to the 11 nat and takes it out. sends 12 lings to kal's 3rd base area at 7 o clock but it gets taken out by units there.
effort coming back south with his units after taking out the 11 nat, streaming into the 3rd base area with lurker ling hyras, hydras pickign off ht, neverending stream of units and kal is forced to cancel his nexus ther.
crackling hydra drop in kal's main, not too successful though as kal is quick to reinforce with armhy, now effort 2 swarms and ling lurker at kal's nat.
kal dt dropping, 1 at the 1 nat, 1 at the main!! effort losing all dornes in mian!! and i think all drones at 1 nat!
On August 06 2008 20:37 thedeadhaji wrote: i'm almost certain it was like 10 drones, b/c that dt had kills on it already from like slashing lings while definding the nat.
and yea too little too late.
ah yeah you're right, it was a 17 kill total dt then
On August 06 2008 20:37 thedeadhaji wrote: i'm almost certain it was like 10 drones, b/c that dt had kills on it already from like slashing lings while definding the nat.
and yea too little too late.
ah yeah you're right, it was a 17 kill total dt then
Wow I missed the first game but that 2nd was intense, effort made Kal look bad, just totally controlled the flow of the game. But yea i predicited Rotk would be tough for toss cause that 3rd gas is soo far.
On August 06 2008 20:37 thedeadhaji wrote: i'm almost certain it was like 10 drones, b/c that dt had kills on it already from like slashing lings while definding the nat.
and yea too little too late.
ah yeah you're right, it was a 17 kill total dt then
Well.... effort beat FBH sooo he must have some decent ZvT, i hope it will be a good match. Can't wait to see how ZvT turns out on Plasma, i think effort should own with mutas on that map.
On August 06 2008 20:54 Tinithor wrote: Well.... effort beat FBH sooo he must have some decent ZvT, i hope it will be a good match. Can't wait to see how ZvT turns out on Plasma, i think effort should own with mutas on that map.
Yes, but his win over FBH wasn't so much a win as it was FBH fucking up a cheese rush so Effort's true ZvT test will be this match against Flash.
ahh factory scouted by drone!!drone dies to vult fire. hohoho factory lifts from highground, ladns on lowground, vult surrounded by ling drone but fact lifts and vult gets out.
Ohh ic that lowground is inside effort's main area.
1 drone dies to wraith fire, creep colony goes down, 2nd drone, and now 3rd rone dies, only 2 hydras in main so wraiths taking plenty of time to die, 4th drone dies.
On August 06 2008 21:09 zgl wrote: What the hell was effort thinking? That desparation attack had 0 chance of succeeding. He needed to be defending.
A lot of players know when they're gonna lose and leave early instead of getting pounded on some more. I respect those players for speeding up the game (not that I don't respect Boxer).
I don't know if effort noticed that there are so many mnms behind the tanks... on the other hand, he was fucked already anyway so it doesn't matter at all.
On August 06 2008 21:09 zgl wrote: What the hell was effort thinking? That desparation attack had 0 chance of succeeding. He needed to be defending.
A lot of players know when they're gonna lose and leave early instead of getting pounded on some more. I respect those players for speeding up the game (not that I don't respect Boxer).
Not to mention that strategically, it's better not to wear yourself out in game 1 of a bo match, fighting something you know you can't win.
meh... I really hope Flash gets tru, another Im-already-out-of-the-OSL player with a status of dominating champ dropping the soap will be too much. btw whats up with the JD fans
I don't really care who wins, i mean... we really need more Z's in the OSL. I mean, if any of them make it past this round it will be an upset and if they dont then we are left with just july and luxury.
On August 06 2008 21:17 thedeadhaji wrote: watching effort has been really fun, since it seems like his zvp doesnt blow complete ass like the zerg twins.
Too bad he has the worst group ever
he actually showed some of the strongest zvp i've seen recently, outside of july and jaedong. a far cry from his retarded snoozefest against hero when andromeda was new
flash moving out, army meandering around in the center, engages some lings and lings run, mutas pop now, +1 not done yet for mnm. mnm go into 5 main and find nothing.
effort's ling guard scourge slooowwwly moving arcoss the map center,
oh shit 2 vessles die to scourge, but the guards get utterly raped on teh open gorund in middle, flash again running up to =effor's nat, effor ONLY has lings, bats rape like 10 lings, effort caught at a timing before ultras, and he has to gg.
On August 07 2008 01:22 SuperJongMan wrote: Well, I think it's retarded to say Effort is better than Savior. You retard.
I'm not saing , well at this point in time Effort looks more promising then savior in his play i think savior is laking in macro nowadays i've got this impression when i watch his games .
Of course no zerg is better then savior except July ...
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Kal vs 
Effort
Flash vs Winner of match 1
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